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  1. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Oh, I would recommend definitely keeping a choline source involved- my personal favorite is Alpha GPC. I also would still recommend 1500mg a day, but just spaced further. I don't know where the sources come from that state it has a half life of 2 hours, but I get the effects for 6-7 per 750mg.
    kisaj,

    I just got up from sleeping. I work nights, an overnight IT support job for a company that runs 24/7.

    I took 750mg of aniracetam with my fish oil and coconut oil, chasing it with coffee. I'll take second dose at beginning of work tonight. I also took 500mg of CDP.


  2. I've been in IT on the support side for 17 years- that is really what is messing you up. haha
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    I've been in IT on the support side for 17 years- that is really what is messing you up. haha
    I worked day shift for two weeks last month covering for someone on vacation, and it was a mixed blessing. I got to see some people I like and talk to them. Yet there's also a few self-important manager types on days that I get to avoid on 3rd shift, and in fact, my usual shift is fairly easy as long as things are going well. And I know what to do when things go badly. Working days I slept better after adjusting, but had less motivation to workout. It's not likely I'm going to switch jobs for a while, (my answer to T-Bone), as at my age it's hard to stay in IT, even if you are fairly sharp. I do intend to either start my own thing or cut back to three days a week after reaching 65.

    I just got back from a good cardio workout (50 minutes of cycling), but no weights. I enjoy having tons of energy from my workouts.

    I'll take my second aniracetam just before starting work tonight.

  4. Since I'll be heading back to school soon, anyone have any thoughts on a good noot stack under $~40 that will overlap an 8week andro drive run?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by tilldeath View Post
    Since I'll be heading back to school soon, anyone have any thoughts on a good noot stack under $~40 that will overlap an 8week andro drive run?
    Alcar in bulk and Huperzine-A should help, and they are pretty inexpensive.The aniracetam I'm using only runs $15 per month, so you could do that with a choline source and stay within budget.

    The two ideas that I gave along with some stims though will get you excellent results for study purposes. There are likely to be several others that can keep you under budget.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    The longterm effects are definitely what makes Stablon so great. There are not many drugs out there that boast neuroplasticity either. $45 per 60 caps, that would last me around 10-12 days. I've done two long runs of this in the past and I remember them costing me over $130 per month.

    Deprenyl or caber don't even come close to the positive effects of Stablon either (for people mentioning them in here or other threads). Caber does nothing positive for me. Deprenyl is ok.. but has no substantial nootropic effect for me. I also don't really respond to ALCAR, piracetam and the like. I've given them proper test runs, but didn't reap any real benefits from them.
    GutterPump,
    I ordered a couple of books dealing with neuroplasticity from Amazon. Many people working in these areas today have a dislike of using drugs or even supplements to help. It seems the pendulum has swung back to the anti-drug, anti-pharmacy. That doesn't bother me as I'm just looking for insight and will ignore their prejudices. I DO feel that some of the drugs and supplements are a great benefit to people who need them and even others that can be helped by them.

    One thing is obvious, if a person is lucky enough to lead a fairly mellow life, and has loving family and friends around, then that persons brain is likely to have a greater neuroplasticity well into an older age. The Oxytocin hormone system (and other relaxed, bonding hormone systems) are much more forgiving then the constant fight or flight hormones. But how many of us have been able to lead such a life?

  7. Certainly not myself. I live by myself in NYC with no family in the US at all - spending the majority of my time working. I would say I live an extremely stressful life, with mainly just myself as a support system. My family is very spread out and far away.

    I can connect somewhat with the anti-drug mentality, but I am not against them when needed. I have actually been considering a change in career and going back to school, specifically to study Osteopathic Medicine.

  8. I just found this thread and am very interested in this subject.
    I had a little taste of "NZT" effects with the AndroDrive but didn't like the side effects (High blood pressure)

    In searching for products I found this stack on Amazon.
    DMAA - 10g
    Sulbutiamine - 100g
    Pramiracetam - 25g
    Piracetam - 150g
    Caffeine - 30g
    Choline CDP - 150g
    Aniracetam - 75g
    Oxiracetam - 75g

    They are claiming it is a 90 day supply for about $320.

    I may get it and also some Noopept for experimenting.

    Thoughts?

    Red.

  9. Sounds very, very weak and just a ****tail of ingredients that are underdosed and way over priced.

    For instance:
    1500mg a day of ani is recommended
    1500-3000mg a day of piracetam
    Choline- I take 600mg of alpha GPC and is stronger than choline cdp. Most Choline supps are between 250-500mg
    DMAA is now illegal to sell and is just nasty stuff anyway. Just a cheap amphetamine.
    Caffeine- 30mg? What is that, like a 1/4 cup of coffee?
    etc,etc....

    I would not waste my money on that crappy sounding product.

  10. I'm glad I came here first!!!

    I was curious about the caffeine myself.. I mean I'm already drinking 2 to 3 coffees a day and I thought there was about 100 to 150mg caffeine in a coffee.
    Interesting.

    Thanks Kisaj!!

    Red.

  11. I am making an assumption that you meant mg and not g? If this is in grams, than obviously this is a better deal, but I don't know how you would separate everything into the right doses without time and effort.

  12. I have a scale that will go down to 0.001 gram. No problem to weigh out the dose. I also have capsules if I wanted to make a weeks worth or something.
    Here is their recommended dosing:
    25-50mg DMAA
    250-750mg Sulbutiamine
    100-200mg Caffeine Anhydrous
    500mg-1g Choline CDP
    250mg Pramiracetam (morning only)
    750mg - 1.5g Aniracetam (morning only)
    1-3g Piracetam (afternoon only)
    750mg - 1.5g Oxiracetam (afternoon only)

    Red

  13. What is a good recommended stack for a beginner??

    Red

  14. Ah, that is different. Personally, I would just throw the DMAA away. But that is me. Also, I would not stack all the racetams together like that, especially in the beginning. They all have a different effect and people react differently to each one. I would start with one and run a full month before moving to another. If there are any unwanted feelings or things you don't like- you won't know what is doing it. That does sound like a better deal, but still expensive.

    For me, I hate Piracetam and it doesn't work well with me. Irritable, tired, foggy, etc. Oxiracetam was like huperzine. Aniracetam is the best thing ever. I wouldn't have known that unless I took them by themselves.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    I am making an assumption that you meant mg and not g? If this is in grams, than obviously this is a better deal, but I don't know how you would separate everything into the right doses without time and effort.
    Yeah kisaj,

    That's 333.33 mg of caffeine per day, but there's several reason why you are correct.

    Red,
    I believe all these racetams should initially be tested out one at a time to see which ones effect you and how. The Piracetam in this is underdosed. The DMAA is a bad idea, and could give you high BP too. You and I already get plenty of caffeine through coffee. the Sulbutiamine is dosed at about right, but perhaps a bit low for every day. The Aniracetam is dosed at about 60% of what you need every day. I don't know about the Oxiracetam, but a lot of people either chose oxi or ani -- not both. The Pramiracetam is also dosed at around 60% of what is needed for a 90 day supply, but it is supposed to stack well with either oxi or ani.

    The thing is to at first try these one at a time at decent dose levels. Three of these racetams stacked together with some of the blood brain barrier crossing B vitamins like Sulbutiamine could likely be great, but don't jump into unknown waters full force. Example: Sulbutiamine acts like a pretty strong brain stimulant for me and I get a crash effect from it after 10-12 hours that I don't like at all.

    The CDP choline in this is decent and not underdosed.

    It was necessary to be cautious with the Ando series and you should also take things gentle with these.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by RedRaptor View Post
    What is a good recommended stack for a beginner??

    Red
    Just chose one of the stronger racetams such as Aniracetam or Oxiracetam or even Pramiracetam (very strong by it self), and stack it with a good choline source to start. This is inexpensive too!

    Aniracetam with CDP Choline is working extremely well for me after just 3 days. I'll say more later.

    I sent you a PM about where to look to get better prices.

  17. I got to try it

  18. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Ah, that is different. Personally, I would just throw the DMAA away. But that is me. Also, I would not stack all the racetams together like that, especially in the beginning. They all have a different effect and people react differently to each one. I would start with one and run a full month before moving to another. If there are any unwanted feelings or things you don't like- you won't know what is doing it. That does sound like a better deal, but still expensive.

    For me, I hate Piracetam and it doesn't work well with me. Irritable, tired, foggy, etc. Oxiracetam was like huperzine. Aniracetam is the best thing ever. I wouldn't have known that unless I took them by themselves.
    kisaj,

    Pira did work okay for me, but wasn't fantastic. No negatives with it, but only mild positives. Huperzine-A had a better effect, yet seems a bit too much at 200 mcg. That stuff had a sharpening effect with the huperzine being more positive in that direction.

    Aniracetam is having a very strong creative effect on me. It helps me connecting the dots between far flung areas. THIS IS NOT A PLACEBO EFFECT, as it's obvious and powerful. I want this to get even better!

  19. I went to workout and probably overdid it. I did weights for 35 minutes, and cycling for 1:25. The cycling was intense too. I may get very tired at work tonight.

  20. Hey Tuber, Thanks for the link. Some great prices there. I ordered up a few things. I'm in Africa at the moment but will be back in 2 weeks. Can't wait to get started. I think I'll start with the Ani and CDP.
    Also I was talking to my Russian girl and she asked her friends about Nootept. Seems she can get tons of it fairly cheaply.
    Any experience with that??

    It all sounds very exciting. Can't wait.

    Red

  21. Quote Originally Posted by RedRaptor View Post
    Hey Tuber, Thanks for the link. Some great prices there. I ordered up a few things. I'm in Africa at the moment but will be back in 2 weeks. Can't wait to get started. I think I'll start with the Ani and CDP.
    Also I was talking to my Russian girl and she asked her friends about Nootept. Seems she can get tons of it fairly cheaply.
    Any experience with that??

    It all sounds very exciting. Can't wait.

    Red
    Red,

    I would like to try Noopept as it is much stronger than even Prami, and you only need about 30mg per day, so 25 grams would last over 2 years of continued use. Your scale would come in handy. Noopept is also considered by the Russians as a probable neuron and brain healer, and it may even create more nerve growth factor than Lion's Mane.

    The AndroDrive has powerful noot type effects which are hard for me to nail down. Definitely more wide-awake, and better analytic abilities, but something more. I did a full 8 weeks at 3 caps per day with some transdermal 11-OXO. The Preg in it has a mild mood enhancing effect.

    The Ani is thus far the most "creativity" enhancing noot I've run. It also has me more wide-awake in a non-stim way. Last night I did not get very tired at work, in spite of working out too hard.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Certainly not myself. I live by myself in NYC with no family in the US at all - spending the majority of my time working. I would say I live an extremely stressful life, with mainly just myself as a support system. My family is very spread out and far away.

    I can connect somewhat with the anti-drug mentality, but I am not against them when needed. I have actually been considering a change in career and going back to school, specifically to study Osteopathic Medicine.
    The one thing that can take neuroplasticity beyond even a placid lifestyle is living in a crowded urban environment with lots of smart people around, even if it is stressful. The way to get smarter is to be around lots of different types of smart people and to rub elbows with them.

  23. Ani appears to be working for someone. lol

  24. I enjoyed the AndroDrive at 3 per day. Nice boost in mental clarity and focus. Also had some mild added motivation to get things done.
    I found that if I went over 3 per day then I usually woke in the night with pounding heart (high blood pressure). Even more pronounced with 5 per day.
    I'm taking 4 AndroMass per day at the moment so can't take the AndroDrive with it.

    It will be interesting to see how the Noots stack with AndroMass.
    After much reading I'm going to start with ANI and CDP.

    Red.

    P.S. My Russian Girl has become very interested in Nootept and will be getting us 2 grams to try.
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