Mind Steriods or Noots
- 06-03-2012, 04:14 PM
Aniracetam with CDP Choline is working extremely well for me after just 3 days. I'll say more later.
I sent you a PM about where to look to get better prices.
- 06-03-2012, 04:47 PM
- 06-03-2012, 07:35 PM
Pira did work okay for me, but wasn't fantastic. No negatives with it, but only mild positives. Huperzine-A had a better effect, yet seems a bit too much at 200 mcg. That stuff had a sharpening effect with the huperzine being more positive in that direction.
Aniracetam is having a very strong creative effect on me. It helps me connecting the dots between far flung areas. THIS IS NOT A PLACEBO EFFECT, as it's obvious and powerful. I want this to get even better!
06-03-2012, 07:38 PM
I went to workout and probably overdid it. I did weights for 35 minutes, and cycling for 1:25. The cycling was intense too. I may get very tired at work tonight.
06-03-2012, 11:45 PM
Hey Tuber, Thanks for the link. Some great prices there. I ordered up a few things. I'm in Africa at the moment but will be back in 2 weeks. Can't wait to get started. I think I'll start with the Ani and CDP.
Also I was talking to my Russian girl and she asked her friends about Nootept. Seems she can get tons of it fairly cheaply.
Any experience with that??
It all sounds very exciting. Can't wait.
06-04-2012, 04:22 PM
I would like to try Noopept as it is much stronger than even Prami, and you only need about 30mg per day, so 25 grams would last over 2 years of continued use. Your scale would come in handy. Noopept is also considered by the Russians as a probable neuron and brain healer, and it may even create more nerve growth factor than Lion's Mane.
The AndroDrive has powerful noot type effects which are hard for me to nail down. Definitely more wide-awake, and better analytic abilities, but something more. I did a full 8 weeks at 3 caps per day with some transdermal 11-OXO. The Preg in it has a mild mood enhancing effect.
The Ani is thus far the most "creativity" enhancing noot I've run. It also has me more wide-awake in a non-stim way. Last night I did not get very tired at work, in spite of working out too hard.
06-04-2012, 05:19 PM
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06-04-2012, 08:23 PM
06-05-2012, 02:15 AM
I enjoyed the AndroDrive at 3 per day. Nice boost in mental clarity and focus. Also had some mild added motivation to get things done.
I found that if I went over 3 per day then I usually woke in the night with pounding heart (high blood pressure). Even more pronounced with 5 per day.
I'm taking 4 AndroMass per day at the moment so can't take the AndroDrive with it.
It will be interesting to see how the Noots stack with AndroMass.
After much reading I'm going to start with ANI and CDP.
P.S. My Russian Girl has become very interested in Nootept and will be getting us 2 grams to try.
06-05-2012, 10:40 AM
06-05-2012, 12:45 PM
I love AndroDrive. I've been taking 3 caps per day, with 3 caps of AndroHard for a couple months now. My BP went up to 140/105. I take cozaar (BP med) so I'v increased my dose of it now and my doc added in a water pill. I'm on TRT so the water pill will help anyhow. I love this combination for drive, aggression and focus.
06-05-2012, 04:37 PM
What effects can you tell about aniracetam? I understand it's hard to nail down these feelings.
Besides the creative "connecting dots" effects, I also get a motivation effect. I feel like getting out of bed and doing something after 6 or 6.5 hours. It's different then the motivation effect from something like AndroDrive, which is different from a stimulant motivation effect. The Ani has the best noot effects for me so far, and I will probably experiment with stacks built around it as a center.
The racetams are open to medium term testing of say 3-4 weeks, because we can usually notice something by then or not, but there is supposed to be cumulative effects too. The subtle noots such as Lion's Mane Mushrooms and Bacopa do have some mild initial effects, but the important effects are long term and must be taken on faith for several months.
Lion's Mane takes about 6 months to really kick in for great effect, and Bacopa takes 3 months to have something beyond the initial anti-anxiety properties, as it then is supposed to help memory and related noot values. I have not used Bacopa constantly. I will in the future.
06-05-2012, 04:42 PM
06-05-2012, 08:59 PM
I don't have physical energy from it, but pure mental energy that puts me in the best mood. Rhodiola Rosea, which I started last year, has allowed me to get 5 hours of sleep a night and be energized all day. That is a great combo with noots.
06-06-2012, 07:24 PM
As far as talking about things that you "really don't know," you probably know more than you think you do on a subconscious level. Ani gives you fluid access to much of this. People that are analytical in nature usually have a bit of a "meaning grubbing" fear of not connecting with the right meaning just when they need it. W.H. Auden, the poet, was obsessed with perfection, and he used amphetamines for years to work out the most exacting and refined poetry. Auden was extremely creative, but his exact poetry had to be anxiety as well as stimulant fueled. Ha, let's just say that aniracetam is a much better direction to go then amphetamines.
I do want to try Noopept and/or Stablon some time this year. I may next (after connecting ani with a couple of other minor noots) experiment with pramiracetam alone, then stacked with ani. In a week I'll probably add some Huperzine-a at 100mcg into the ani. I do not think it requires more than the standard dose to do it's full work...Aniracetam that is, just 750mg X 2 times a day.
06-06-2012, 07:59 PM
To have that all but evaporate from the mind is a very liberating and confident feeling.
06-06-2012, 08:17 PM
06-07-2012, 01:24 PM
In a month I may pick up a gram of this and try Noopept at just 20mg per day -- that's good for over 5 weeks. And people say it's very effective at those levels. I have a 1mg scale like you have. BYOB on Amazon does have good pricing on their CDP Choline BTW.Originally Posted by RedRaptor;3420002.
06-07-2012, 01:32 PM
The last two days I did 65 minutes per day of cardio, but I've been wimping out on the weights and only doing light sessions. Tonight is my night off so I'll go in to the workout place late and hit the weights hard. I won't worry much about cardio tonight.
The best test of these noots, for me, would to learn something completely new and see how well you can pick the new material, both speed of learning and comprehension. If I want to test them this way I need to make a decision as I'm interested in two totally different directions, and do not have time to do both.
I would like to pursue photography and that would mean learning Photoshop Elements and learning to use a good graphics tablet, then later the full Photoshop. Yet I also want to learn Spanish, and that might be more of a test for me, as I'm ordinarily resistant to learning a new language. I get irritated by the illogical structure of language, but noots would allow me to be just playful with language and not care about my pre-conceived notions.
I could go after the Spanish now and do the full Photoshop in the fall, as I could get it cheap as a student with a class in photography. Hmm. I need to decide.
06-07-2012, 02:34 PM
Why not quit your job, buy a camera, and live in Costa Rica for a year. That would be a great learning experience and a great test for you. lol
06-07-2012, 07:33 PM
Just had my coffee, and I'm getting ready to go for workout. Another anchor I don't want to do without -- two anchors, the coffee, and the workout.
I finally received my two books on neuroplasticity, and I am curious about insights they may have.
06-08-2012, 03:47 PM
I'll do a followup to the Aniracetam use in a couple of weeks and check in to see if Red tries the Noopept. I may comment on the two books then also.
Thanks kisaj, your thoughts on Aniracetam helped me to try it first and it has the effects I was hoping for in a racetam.
06-08-2012, 04:57 PM
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06-09-2012, 06:17 AM
06-10-2012, 04:05 PM
I just finished off my test run of androdrive, and I'm definitely a fan. I need to read through this more, but what noots are best for focus AND creativity? I tend to have bad focus normally, very A.D.D. but I've been training myself to get better. It's been very dibilatating in the past. A big help was to quit internet porn since I work at a computer and online. I tend to gravitate towards porn when I get very stressed. Strange response to stress, but I've been that way for years. I think cutting that out will help me out a lot, by moving my system away from being primarily running on the sympathetic nervous system.
Anyhow, I need something that won't block creative thinking. I am a designer (mainly motion graphics / video work). Stimulating supps can be great in crunch time, but they can block creative thinking. I find I am more creative when not highly stimulated or racey at all (not that androdrive was racey - it was great and I'll be ordering more for longterm use at a low dose).
I thought I'd give ALCAR another try. Here is what I'm currently trying for a couple weeks:
4 grams of Choline/Inositol mix per day (2 grams of each, split morning and afternoon)
3 grams of ALCAR in the form of Acetyl L-carnatine Arginate Dihydrochloride (Primordial Performance ArginoCarn) in am.
Now's enteric coated P5P - 1 -2 caps daily
ArginoCarn says to take once per day at 3 grams. Do you think it'd be better to split the dose, or just double it by taking another 3 grams in afternoon? Any suggestions for this trial? Thanks
As a side note, I've also heard there is a racetam that has been used to treat bipolar disorder in some countries. Anyone familar with this racetam? Would it help with ADD symptoms as well?
06-10-2012, 08:36 PM
I'll get back to you on this stuff as I've come across some mind opening reading in these areas the last few days. It's hard knowing what is likely to help what, but there are a least interesting stories and insights that can point to possibilities. That's what these conversations are about, not ultimate understanding or truth.
Before reading on the brain, I use to suppose that NGF would be a major feature for the hippocampus's ability to create new neurons. Turns out that NGFs are only a small part and in fact consistent exercise is the primary factor that helps new neuron growth, but various brain NGFs are hugely important for several other reasons for how well we use our brains. The strength of our attention, or our passionate interest given through our attention is a major consideration of Brain NGFs.
06-11-2012, 06:09 PM
I definitely have a euphoric feeling at the stage between sleep and awaking most days. It goes away a few minutes after getting up. I had a lucid dream about memory two days ago and the euphoria was stronger in my dream self. No punishing come down from these little episodes. The dream was a reassurance about memory, as I was in a house that I had seen in my teenage years and could remember every single minor detail of four different rooms I had visited down to the magnets on the refrigerator. Although my memory is not near as sharp upon waking up, I know that the memory details were accurate, and this was not just some "dream fantasy place," it was from memory.
06-11-2012, 06:14 PM
I've been able to lucid dream since being a child. I remember being able to fly out my window, around my neighborhood (I was 5 or 6 yrs old and still remember this) and control the things that I did. In my teens, I also used to do things like hook up with girls, snowboard (and land any trick I tried), etc. I haven't been having lucid dreams in ages though, but I do have quite a stockpile of galantamine for further attempts when I'm ready.
06-11-2012, 06:57 PM
I want to learn more about the Nucleus Basalis and how it effects the attention abilities (or how powerful our attention is to subjects). It has to do with processing speeds in the brain (very important, but not quite the full story). The Nucleus Basalis may be better reached by brain exercises rather than noots, but noots would help.
AndroDrive is more for analytic drive rather then creativity, but it doesn't completely cut off free flowing creative abilities. I would move toward the areas that are more choline and GABA oriented, or anything that's relaxing for the creativity side. Yet that's not completely true and things are not quite that simple. I really feel that combining the powerful attention focusing abilities of the Nucleus Basalis with the more relaxed noots would go a long way toward giving full access to creative abilities of the non-analytical type. Yet I do not understand enough and this could be corrected by me in the future.
I may try one AndroDrive per day in the future along with some creativity oriented noots to see if that creates a positive effect, and maybe add in some extra Preg.
As I try these noots and/or brain exercises I will also get a better general grasp of why these things work in general by looking into brain studies and the brain scientists insights.
06-12-2012, 06:09 PM
The two areas I'm most captivated by now are Gamma-Wave Rhythms from the aSTG, and attention promoting and plasticity promoting abilities of the Nucleus Basalis. The aSTG when it is radiating Gamma is the creative insight part of the brain that allows Aha! moments by bringing together past information into new patterns. This is a major part of creativity. The Nucleus Basalis is part of totally new sensory input, and is involved with attention and how strong or passionately we embrace new information.
For me, Aniracetam adds to the insight abilities of putting together past information into new patterns. it seems excellent in that area. There is, again it seems to me, stimulant based focus and non-stim based focus. I am looking for a non-stim based focus that allow strong attention to new sensory information without the "burnout" effect that stims cause, thus my interest in the Nucleus Basalis.
So we have how well we can put old information into new patterns, and how well we can learn from new sensory information. This is all somewhat separate from straight concrete memory either long-term or short-term. Another great subject is how much short-term (call it RAM) memory an individual has to work with at any given time and how long and how powerfully we can hold onto and work with short-term memory.
06-15-2012, 07:01 PM
I ordered some Noopept earlier this morning and it shipped this afternoon. It should reach me by Tuesday or Wednesday next week. I'll keep at the Aniracetam until next Tuesday, then take 2 days off before trying the Noopept at 25-30mg per day in 2 doses. I'll use the Noopept by itself for about 12 days, then if I like it's effects, I've try the Aniracetam and Noopept together for 2-3 weeks.
06-20-2012, 12:17 PM
Just got home from Africa to find a bunch of packages.
Some I forgot why I bought them so I'll have to do my research to remember why I bought them!
Started with 750mg Ani and 500mg of CDP. That stuff is nasty!
I opted for the powder CDP and it smells horrid and tastes as bad as it smells. A little grape BCAA powder to hide the taste but it still tastes horrid.
06-20-2012, 05:40 PM
I got my Noopept in today and will probably start checking it out Friday.
06-22-2012, 06:14 AM
Ani and Choline CDP.
I capped up some Choline to avoid the smell and taste.
First day I only felt a mild "good mood" and a little clearer thinking than normal for a man who just crossed 6 time zones and a 15 hour flight. Day 2, woke up after a vivid dream feeling refreshed. Second day went good. Felt much more alert and had clearer thinking than I usually do when I'm feeling the jet lag. 750mg Ani / 500mg CDP in the morning and another around 2pm.
Went to bed about 10:30pm, very sleepy but couldn't sleep. Started feeling some anxiety and it kept me from falling asleep. More vivid dreams just before waking. Now it's 5am on day 3 and I'm wondering if I should take more. Don't like that anxiety feeling.
06-22-2012, 06:59 AM
So if this combo continues to cause anxiety, then take a break and start it again after using Bacopa for 2-3 days. Just a thought.
06-22-2012, 09:00 AM
I highly doubt the Ani is giving the anxiety, it does the exact opposite. Be careful with the dose, as like all racetams, it works on a bell curve. 1500 a day is the most recommended and workable amount. I've gone over thinking I wanted more, and it made me pretty "zoney" and kind of stoned feeling.
If you are getting anxiety at night, try some ZMA and L-theanine. L-theanine was about the best anti-anxiety I had encountered before Ani. Together, there is a synergy and a calmness.
06-22-2012, 02:51 PM
I actually have some L-Theanine and ZMA so I'll take those tonight.
I felt the anxiety again about 2 hours after my morning dose.
Now just a slight headache similar to the headache I get from DAA. Right in the middle of the head.
Can't be anything else. I'm taking a multi-vitamin, B-12 with folic acid, Ani and CDP is all.
I'll take another does how as it's about 1:50pm and see what happens tonight with the ZMA and L-Theanine.
Compared to AndroDrive I would rate Ani as very mild at this point. I don't feel the focus or clear thinking of AndroDrive even at only 3 per day.
06-22-2012, 07:48 PM
Yeah, I guess it could be the energy from Ani, but I didn't view it as anxiety. The thing is, everyone responds differently to noots. Some swear by ones that others hate.
Also- it is much more common to take up to 2 weeks to notice effects. Some of us just get lucky really early. For me, Ani has never been strong in recall or direct memory enhancement, rather a strong anti-anxiety feeling that helped clear my head for clear thinking. It just clams and clears everything- like a clutter clean up.
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