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Now I understand! You have to have a bodyguard down under not a gun.
Now I understand! You have to have a bodyguard down under not a gun.
You could hire Lee Priest down undah. Nobody wants to fuk with a crazy jacked stocky fuker with a tattooed face.YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-aYxs91X4U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Now I understand! You have to have a bodyguard down under not a gun.
;-) ever hit 3 PRs lifting on shrooms?... I have ..,Nice I was hoping you would stop by mikeg now the fun start!
I think I hallucinated that I was lifting on shrooms once and peed my self does that count?;-) ever hit 3 PRs lifting on shrooms?... I have ..,
How do you piss yourself on shrooms?! When I eat shrooms my athletic abilities skyrocket. We use to shroom and do all night skate sessions and everybody would be pullin shlt off that we never could do as consistently "sober". You become one with the board and the streets. As corny as it sounds its true. Ya know the Mayans use to use to shroom before their ancient mayan football games to increase athletic abilities.... Of course they'd follow the game up with the human sacrifices of the losers.I think I hallucinated that I was lifting on shrooms once and peed my self does that count?
ThisIt can't even pass a Law extending background checks to ALL people looking to purchase a gun.
Wtf is wrong with USA, it's bad enough the streets are filled with guns, now a simple Law making it harder for criminals to attain guns can't even be passed.
A corrupt and doomed Country...
Just let me know how many criminals get their guns legally? I know that criminals typically abide by the law.This
I was just being ridiculous I never peed my self while on shrooms. But I know what you are talking about on the "one with the board" thing up in Tahoe we would grab an 8bag and just go nuts all day! This thread was started by some kid who started off talking some garbage about how this country was going to hell because congress couldn’t pass a gun reform bill and how he was moving to Australia. Then after a while he switched his story and said he already lives there or some nonsense. His arguments are nothing more than name calling, and I dont even know what the argument is at this point. Im sure he will pop up in another month and fan the flames again.How do you piss yourself on shrooms?! When I eat shrooms my athletic abilities skyrocket. We use to shroom and do all night skate sessions and everybody would be pullin shlt off that we never could do as consistently "sober". You become one with the board and the streets. As corny as it sounds its true. Ya know the Mayans use to use to shroom before their ancient mayan football games to increase athletic abilities.... Of course they'd follow the game up with the human sacrifices of the losers.
.... What's this thread about anyway? Penal?
No I'm not happy with the figures, but as I've stated there are more non armed homicides here than gun related. The problem isn't guns and guns are not even the top weapon of choice.The other problem is all our laws such as too strict gun control laws.... The war on drugs is a big contributor to homicides which I want to also repeal.Australia on the other hand is a safe haven for rapists and criminals. Homicides were already decreasing before 1996 in Australia, it was expected to continue to decrease gun law or not.
Education and open carryNo, it takes a special kind of stupid to think that the solution is more guns.
What do u think is an ideal solution to reduce gun deaths then?
You don't live here, you are NOT American, you are NOT important and you don't pay taxes here so your opinions on what our country should or shouldn't do have no bearing. You are welcome to have your opinions but because you are being less than cordial in this "debate," you can get lost.LMFAO, you just keep making yourself look more and more stupid as you don't even know your own countrys statistics!
Again you are wrong, GUNS ARE THE TOP WEAPON OF CHOICE in USA for total homicide.
w*w*w.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
* in 2011 your total homicides by ANY means was 15,953, of which firearm homicides made up 11,101, are you going to try and lie some more and tell me otherwise? LOL what have you got to say about this statistic that I just proved you wrong?
* what's even more alarming is the total gun death in your country is actually much higher, in 2011 the total gun deaths was 32,163!!! Wow that is ridiculous. That includes gun suicides, manslaughters, and 'unexplained' gun deaths LOL. What you got to say about this statistic? Maybe a lot of americans are killing themselves because they hate your country, I'm not sure. If these people that commit suicide didn't have such easy access to a gun maybe they would still be ablive and be able to seek help to overcome their problems. Too late now though.
You keep spewing up more vomit to try and sound cool to your fellow gun toting americans whilst I provide the facts to discredit everything you are saying. You should quit while you are behind.
You say our homicide rate would have continued to decrease after 1996, what nonsense, you have a crystal ball do you? LOL. Everything plateaus at some stage and needs new stimulation to achieve the desired result. Almost like a bodybuilder who reaches his genetic potential so takes steroids to go even further.
You got served.
You live in one violent country full of rapists, violence and turmoil and you cant even defend yourself. Good luck with your goverment should they turn tyrannical on society (primary reason our 2nd Amendment was put into place,)......its a place Hitler, Mao and Stalin would love to rule.
LOL aw poor luke, you starting to realize how screwed up your countrys gun deaths are, evidenced with real facts which can't be argued against.You don't live here, you are NOT American, you are NOT important and you don't pay taxes here so your opinions on what our country should or shouldn't do have no bearing. You are welcome to have your opinions but because you are being less than cordial in this "debate," you can get lost.
Just re-posting for you ax1 in case you missed it.LMFAO, you just keep making yourself look more and more stupid as you don't even know your own countrys statistics!
Again you are wrong, GUNS ARE THE TOP WEAPON OF CHOICE in USA for total homicide.
w*w*w.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
* in 2011 your total homicides by ANY means was 15,953, of which firearm homicides made up 11,101, are you going to try and lie some more and tell me otherwise? LOL what have you got to say about this statistic that I just proved you wrong?
* what's even more alarming is the total gun death in your country is actually much higher, in 2011 the total gun deaths was 32,163!!! Wow that is ridiculous. That includes gun suicides, manslaughters, and 'unexplained' gun deaths LOL. What you got to say about this statistic? Maybe a lot of americans are killing themselves because they hate your country, I'm not sure. If these people that commit suicide didn't have such easy access to a gun maybe they would still be ablive and be able to seek help to overcome their problems. Too late now though.
You keep spewing up more vomit to try and sound cool to your fellow gun toting americans whilst I provide the facts to discredit everything you are saying. You should quit while you are behind.
You say our homicide rate would have continued to decrease after 1996, what nonsense, you have a crystal ball do you? LOL. Everything plateaus at some stage and needs new stimulation to achieve the desired result. Almost like a bodybuilder who reaches his genetic potential so takes steroids to go even further.
You got served.
And if all the states in the U. S. allowed loaded open carry, how many rapes could we prevent. If a thug saw a woman toting a 45 do you really think he would f#%k with her.LOL you've got no idea, more vomit you keep spewing up.
For starters, you're country has much more rape and violence evidenced by previous statistics I have posted.
Secondly, our country reports rape as part of a description of sexual assault, whereas your countrys definition is very black and white. Sexual assault doesn't just include rape in Australia. Sexual assault includes things as petty as sexual harassment. Sexual assault basically refers to any unwanted sexual behaviour which makes a person feel uncomfortable, threatened or scared. It covers a range of different types of assault. So to include this in your figures compared to actual RAPE figures in USA is laughable. Don't confuse rape with sexual assault because they mean totally different things, sexual assault can be so minor it's funny.
And for your information, your countrys reporting is actually not accounting for many many types of rape that happen in your country, read this interesting article from your country- (remove ** from www) w*w*w.nytimes.com/2011/09/29/us/federal-rules-on-rape-statistics-criticized.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
I was posting in this thread way back when...oh thats right you forgot because you're narrow minded and only like to push e-buttons. You continue to show how awesome you are with all you special words. Stay classy computer tough guy!!!You're a real fcuking clown aren't ya? Murders happen everywhere! Murders happen in Australia! People get shot dead in Australia! Woop dee doo! What's your fcuking point? You dumb or what? The debate aint about eliminating murders because that will never happen. "Your country has it so down pat eh", what a stupid thing to say, our country has a low homicide rate and a very low firearm homicide rate which has more than halved since our gun reforms.
If you're not too dumb go back and read the whole thread, understand the debate, understand the facts and understand the statistics.
MOST of you gun toting americans are so dumb and ignorant.
Oh stop, your just jealous your stuck living in a brutally violent drunkard 3rd world ses pool. You need to be saved.Just re-posting for you ax1 in case you missed it.
LOL aw poor glawry, you starting to realize that none of us give a rat's back end what you think, evidenced with real disregard for your piased, uppity, ignorance. You think our gun laws are screwed up and yes I agree they are, but out of the thousands of laws about guns on the books, more laws is NOT the answer. The answer is to enforce the laws we already have, get rid of the panty-waist judges, prosecutors, and lawyers and not let the media give the attackers the spotlight - the attention they crave. Don't build these idiots up on the news so that others want to follow in their footsteps. Talk about the victims, their families and so on but don't do these " Inside the mind of a criminal: A special interview with the (insert shooting location) killer." With all that is wrong with our country (welfare, debt, jobs/lack there of, healthcare etc) you choose to harp on guns not because you really care about our country but because you obviously think you are better than Americans when in all actuality, you are not. As I said before, your opinions don't matter. You started this thread to stir a pot with no real intensions of having a real debate. So, while part of me hopes you get raped on the street after getting the crap beat out of you, the moral, rational and dominant part of me hopes that none of that happens to you or your loved ones.LOL aw poor luke, you starting to realize how screwed up your countrys gun deaths are, evidenced with real facts which can't be argued against.
I'm glad I don't live in America, very glad, I just love to debate this topic which you gun toting americans are so ignorant towards.
Actually I hear you loud and clear.LOL aw poor glawry, you starting to realize that none of us give a rat's back end what you think, evidenced with real disregard for your piased, uppity, ignorance. You think our gun laws are screwed up and yes I agree they are, but out of the thousands of laws about guns on the books, more laws is NOT the answer. The answer is to enforce the laws we already have, get rid of the panty-waist judges, prosecutors, and lawyers and not let the media give the attackers the spotlight - the attention they crave. Don't build these idiots up on the news so that others want to follow in their footsteps. Talk about the victims, their families and so on but don't do these " Inside the mind of a criminal: A special interview with the (insert shooting location) killer." With all that is wrong with our country (welfare, debt, jobs/lack there of, healthcare etc) you choose to harp on guns not because you really care about our country but because you obviously think you are better than Americans when in all actuality, you are not. As I said before, your opinions don't matter. You started this thread to stir a pot with no real intensions of having a real debate. So, while part of me hopes you get raped on the street after getting the crap beat out of you, the moral, rational and dominant part of me hopes that none of that happens to you or your loved ones.
Go ahead and keep reposting your previous posts like a little immature child sticking their fingers in their ears and saying, "Nah nah nah! I can't hear you!" Or like the kid that when bested says something like, "Oh yeah well.......well........you're a poo-head!"
And another thing that bugs me is when gun toting americans preach their 2nd amendment rights about needing protection from tyrannical governments. Cmon seriously? Lol that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, do you honestly think that america could/would ever declare war on it's own country? In this modern day and age? That's some real paranoid nonsense right there.Here is another link to a video clip from a popular american talk show host discussing with other americans on an american tv show, all very true-
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w*w*w.infowars.com/bill-maher-the-second-amendment-is-bullsht/
At the movie theater, if American's were armed as they should be they would have taken that mo'fo out.Actually I hear you loud and clear.
It just really bugs me when I hear of 70 people getting murdered watching a movie or 20 young children getting murdered in schools by people who shouldnt have had such easy access to guns and high powered assault rifles. Yes it didn't happen in my country but it did happen to fellow human beings on this planet which I will still debate for regardless of which 'country' it is. The people that are debating for gun control including myself do so because we don't want to see innocent people getting murdered all the time, there needs to be some common ground on both sides of the fence to really make a positive change.
And it bugs me even more when gun toting americans are so ignorant about the facts and the only solution is MORE guns. It's absolute madness. There isn't just one solution but the answer is definitely not more guns.
We do have possible threats of foreign invasion from countries such as China, Russia, as well as others. To have a armed society is a responsible right we should all fight to protect.And another thing that bugs me is when gun toting americans preach their 2nd amendment rights about needing protection from tyrannical governments. Cmon seriously? Lol that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, do you honestly think that america could/would ever declare war on it's own country? In this modern day and age? That's some real paranoid nonsense right there.
Just because a Law was passed 300 years ago by your 'founding fathers' doesn't make it right in this day and age in a completely different world.
Your country was founded by british invading america and almost wiping out the indigenous people that already lived there (pretty much just like how Australia was founded!).
Times change, Laws change as well.
I understand what you are trying to say but I beg to differ.At the movie theater, if American's were armed as they should be they would have taken that mo'fo out.
The school shooting was at a "Gun Free School Zone," like some criminal really gives a crap. If the teachers had guns first the shooter would have thought twice before attempting to go at a armed zone, second that mo'fo would have been taken out too.
The problem is the media feeds our population about only negative stories about guns, and never the countless times guns do save lives.
Guns are used in self defense here in the states a staggering 2.5 million times a year, close to 7 thousand times a day. Some 1/4 million women every year defend themselves against sexual assualt, something women in Australia are greatly deprived of.
Armed Americans kill more crooks than the police do, almost twice as much.
Im pissed off because here in New York I can't get a concealed carry for self defense purposes although I have a perfect clean record with a a college education. I know if I heard there was a terrorist event in my local public school as I was driving by, Id be the first to try to go and stop that bastard, but am crippled by my state goverment to do so.
With the Empire State Building shooting, of course it was trained police who got him. New York City has one of the most strict gun control laws in the country, people cant do much at all.I understand what you are trying to say but I beg to differ.
What's your thoughts then on the Empire State Building shooting?
blogs.rgj.com/factchecker/2012/12/22/do-more-guns-lead-to-less-crime/
In this situation at the Empire State Building, Two police officers — trained professionals, not civilians — caught up with the shooter and opened fire, hitting him as well as NINE bystanders. And just to reiterate, this was by trained professionals, police officers, if it was a civilian with a gun instead this could easily have been much much worse, it could have been a bloodbath.
Fact, of the 62 mass shootings in the past 30 years in the United States, not one was stopped by a civilian with a gun.
This is evidence that what you are saying doesn't work (I'm not saying it would NEVER work but this is evidence suggesting it doesn't work).
So what have you got to say about this incident then? An honest answer will be appreciated without trying to change the subject or put a ridiculous spin on what 'you' might have done if 'you' were there.
Take into account that your average officer only qualifies once or twice a year... That is mkst likely the extent of them being a "trained professional." There are alot of cops and even more civilians that shoot for fun/sport or other and in doing so would be more proficient then an avg cop. Add to it the fact that adrenaline/atp/tunnel vision all hinder abilities jnder stress and in shooting ( life/death ) situations things like the above are bound to happen.I understand what you are trying to say but I beg to differ.
What's your thoughts then on the Empire State Building shooting?
blogs.rgj.com/factchecker/2012/12/22/do-more-guns-lead-to-less-crime/
In this situation at the Empire State Building, Two police officers — trained professionals, not civilians — caught up with the shooter and opened fire, hitting him as well as NINE bystanders. And just to reiterate, this was by trained professionals, police officers, if it was a civilian with a gun instead this could easily have been much much worse, it could have been a bloodbath.
Fact, of the 62 mass shootings in the past 30 years in the United States, not one was stopped by a civilian with a gun.
This is evidence that what you are saying doesn't work (I'm not saying it would NEVER work but this is evidence suggesting it doesn't work).
So what have you got to say about this incident then? An honest answer will be appreciated without trying to change the subject or put a ridiculous spin on what 'you' might have done if 'you' were there.
Thank you for your civilized response.With the Empire State Building shooting, of course it was trained police who got him. New York City has one of the most strict gun control laws in the country, people cant do much at all.
Its hard to predict if there would have been a bloodbath or not, you can even guess that if New York City was full of responsible armed civilians the incident may have never happened. I really dont know, unfortunate things happen and we cant guess a cop will be at every shooting, usually they are there after the shooting a majority of the time.
In regards to the 62 mass shootings and no civilians ever getting the shooter, there are many issues around the country such as people having a hard time getting a concealed license, people being comfortable and not taking the responsibility of taking up their arms or a combination of both. I personally want a concealed for personal and society self defense, but I cant as most New Yorkers living close to the city have strong issues doing so.
I want to reduce crime be reforming law as a whole. A good one is to decriminalize all drugs, we have spent over 1/2 a trillion dollars fighting the war on drugs since the early 70's when Nixon declared it and it has been nothing but a big disaster, wasted tax dollars and have empowered black market crime. Having a stable currency and economy as well as access to better education can help as well. Its a big topic just throwing random ideas there to keep it short.
But this wasn't mass shootings. You don't even know if he would have even shot anyone, he could have just been an armed robber who may never have used his weapon. It's all 'what if' conjecture.Also your fact of mass shootings not being stopped by civilians.....i will find the story or an armed civilian in either Washington or Oregon who observed a man heading towards a shopping mall with a gun. He brandished his concealed weapon, confronted and shot at the man causing him to take cover and he took his own life. Most if not all the mass shooting suspects always take their own life at the first instance of resistance.
The suspect had several magazines and plenty of ammo to kill alot of people. He was stopped by a "civilian." Before he killed ANYONE.
Our states shouldnt exactly have a need to unite...they should already be united under our United States Constitution and respect our Bill or Rights. Unfortunately not only do our states fail to follow the rules of our Republic, but our Federal Government has and is heavily breaking Constitutional Law daily.Thank you for your civilized response.
I partially agree with what you say. Laws definitely need to be reformed and on top of that they also need to be better enforced consistently across each state. Let's face it, yes there are states with tight guns laws but also with high gun crime, and a big part of that is the Laws are poorly being enforced. There are also states with tight gun laws with low gun crime, and vice versa. Hard to read too much into different state statistics as it's quite easy to carry a gun from a state to state, it's not like crossing the mexican border! Your states need to 'Unite' to have some common ground to make your country a safer place. My country ain't perfect by any means and I'm not debating that or other things which can be fixed (the world will never be perfect!), this is purely discussing the gun control debate as gun homicides make up a very large portion of your overall homicides, more than any other type of homicide.
Going back to the Empire State Building shooting, if 2 armed trained professional police officers can't even get it right with 9 innocent bystanders being shot, what would a civilian with a gun have made a difference?? I'm sure there are civilians that can shoot accurately but in general a trained professional police officer (or 2 in this case) SHOULD be able to put a lid on the situation better than any civilian with a gun could, do you agree??
But you even said yourself that Laws need to be reformed, Laws need to change, Laws should change with the times. I agree with this. That's why I personally believe that your 300 year old Law (or right or whatever you want to call it), the 2nd Amendment, can and should change. I'm not going to get in a debate about your 2nd Amendment, it is what it is and I'm fighting a losing battle by trying to debate it on an american website with pro gun activists.Our states shouldnt exactly have a need to unite...they should already be united under our United States Constitution and respect our Bill or Rights. Unfortunately not only do our states fail to follow the rules of our Republic, but our Federal Government has and is heavily breaking Constitutional Law daily.
Our States have their own ability to have their own laws to an extent....people will never unite in this country, or anywhere, there are limits to uniting. Whats nice about this country is that having states is like having a bunch of little countries and should your local laws not be compatable with our needs you can move to another little country.
Going back to the Empire State Building shooting as you are requesting, guessing what a difference a civilian would have made is a hard guess (saying that people did have arms.) It could have been one shot and kill, could have been many more innocent shot by accident, who knows. Its a bit more complex than just handing out guns to everyone and expecting a perfect system and expecting perfect results.
I believe the 2nd Amendment bears a strong responsibility, we obviously need a well educated and trained society.
Civilians really need to get together and be involved with their own militias (law enforcement, military are welcome should they want to volunteer,) create their own independent law enforcement, independent military reserves, and be engaged in responsible training. Maybe implement gun training in our public education system. Having a 2nd Amendment should be both a right and a mature responsibility.
Actually I dont, the reason why is that it will turn to registration of all firearms in the United States giving goverment leverage over society and the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. A registry will give goverment a heavy advantage when it comes to door to door gun confiscation. Im against a goverment surveillance system which the USA is turning to as technology advances.I have a few questions I would like to put out there and would appreciate your view and response.
* Do you think that background checks should have been expanded to include gun shows and online purchases? If not, why not? Point in argue is that without the background checks anyone including mentally ill people like Adam Lanza or James Holmes can easily attain guns this way. I'm not asking if you think this would make much of a difference but it really can't make things any worse.
* Do you believe military style assault weapons and semi automatic guns should be banned and limits placed on high capacity ammunition magazines? If not, why not? There is really no need for this type of weaponry to be available to civilians. These type of weapons are the main choice for killers in mass shootings.
There is always much to debate but I would specifically like your honest views on the above mentioned.
Our Bill of Rights is just something I like and want to protect, and to me it is as valid today as it was 300 years ago, and I can see being just as valid in another 300 years.But you even said yourself that Laws need to be reformed, Laws need to change, Laws should change with the times. I agree with this. That's why I personally believe that your 300 year old Law (or right or whatever you want to call it), the 2nd Amendment, can and should change. I'm not going to get in a debate about your 2nd Amendment, it is what it is and I'm fighting a losing battle by trying to debate it on an american website with pro gun activists.
What I would like you to answer is, do you agree that Laws made up some 300 odd years ago in a COMPLETELY different world can and should change based on today's society's needs?
I dont think I really meant to say laws need to be reformed....Im more for restoration of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Its many of the reforms that have been taking place that bother me...not all but many.But you even said yourself that Laws need to be reformed, Laws need to change, Laws should change with the times. I agree with this. That's why I personally believe that your 300 year old Law (or right or whatever you want to call it), the 2nd Amendment, can and should change. I'm not going to get in a debate about your 2nd Amendment, it is what it is and I'm fighting a losing battle by trying to debate it on an american website with pro gun activists.
What I would like you to answer is, do you agree that Laws made up some 300 odd years ago in a COMPLETELY different world can and should change based on today's society's needs?
If you were invaded by a foreign country, you have one of the biggest army's in the world who are trained in battle to protect you. There seems to be many paranoid gun owners in america that will shout any ludicrous reason to keep their guns.Actually I dont, the reason why is that it will turn to registration of all firearms in the United States giving goverment leverage over society and the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. A registry will give goverment a heavy advantage when it comes to door to door gun confiscation. Im against a goverment surveillance system which the USA is turning to as technology advances.
I believe people can buy whatever they want to buy. If they break the law put them to trial and throw them in prison, most people will use them responsibly. Why not have them? The 2nd Amendment was put there to protect against goverment tyranny or foreign invasion, what is a pistol or several shot gun going to do?
Also, it comes in handy when it comes to riots in times the citizen can only depend on his or herself for protection such as the Koreans stuck at the LA riots who used assualt style weapons to defend themselves against violent rioter
Limit on capacity ammunition? Carry another gun, or make your own magazine using a 3D printer, its easy and a small investment.
I live in Australia mate, gun control HAS worked here and I love my country.Here's an idea, if you think guns are so evil why don't you move to a place that has them banned, like the UK? We all know the UK has a very low crime rate..oh wait. Oh well, there are no examples in history of a country passing gun control and then killing a bunch of it's citizens....oh wait there was that whole Nazi Germany thing, Soviet Russia, China and others, but don't worry no one wants to do that in America. Go back and watch your reality tv and eat your genetically modified cherrioes. Why would anyone need a 100 round magazine? Because criminals have them. No laws are going to stop criminals. You know what will happen if there is a magazine limit? It'll create an even bigger black market. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if these gun control laws across the country are creating more gang members.
Your example for the Empire State Building shooting isnt an example. People arent given concealed carry permits in New York City, or even anywhere around New York City especially the souther tier of New York State. New York State has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country.As stated previously, your current Laws are not working and your suggestion to allow civilians to carry concealed guns is very flawed as evidenced by the Empire State Building shooting. There really is not much more to point out in this debate, I have made many valid points with facts and evidence. I will leave this to rest, for now.
Thats the problem with this country, all our politicians are bought out by special interests and corporations. Without money you stand no chance at high office.the problem with this country is that the special interest groups (like the NRA) are allowed to contribute to campaigns and to political parties/political action groups in unlimited amounts. and then the lobbyists decide on Washington and call the shots. until that changes (and it probably never will), nothing's gonna change.
You can easily say it wont work, Mexico has some of the strictest gun control laws in the planet, yet have a far higher armed homicide rate than the USA.I live in Australia mate, gun control HAS worked here and I love my country.
I understand your country is faced with many differing factors though which makes things difficult. You can't say it won't work, no one has the magical answer, yet.
My facts were a bit off, the shooter killed two people and when he saw the civilian with a gun he then took his own life. the civilian never shot at him just took aim. In fact this story kinds blows a whole in your "trained professional" post where you said that a civilian could have done more damage. The civilian took aim, saw people behind the shooter and decided "not to shoot" for fear of hitting them.But this wasn't mass shootings. You don't even know if he would have even shot anyone, he could have just been an armed robber who may never have used his weapon. It's all 'what if' conjecture.
My fact was that of the mass shootings that HAVE happened, NONE ended with a civilian shooting the killer.
I put numbers by your asterix and will answer them in kind...I have a few questions I would like to put out there and would appreciate your view and response.
1* Do you think that background checks should have been expanded to include gun shows and online purchases? If not, why not? Point in argue is that without the background checks anyone including mentally ill people like Adam Lanza or James Holmes can easily attain guns this way. I'm not asking if you think this would make much of a difference but it really can't make things any worse.
2* Do you believe military style assault weapons and semi automatic guns should be banned and limits placed on high capacity ammunition magazines? If not, why not? There is really no need for this type of weaponry to be available to civilians. These type of weapons are the main choice for killers in mass shootings.
There is always much to debate but I would specifically like your honest views on the above mentioned.
Sounds like y'all a bunch of gun toting hillbilly rednecks.
USA should follow in the foot steps of Australia. I have been to Australia several times and have friends that live there and i can say firsthand how much safer it is there (BTW i have travelled the world and seen it all).
No one carries guns there, there is no gun shops anywhere and very hard to get a hold of a gun. When the reforms were brought in, the government offered a buy-back scheme to subsidise people giving up their guns and this proved very successful. Obviously this doesnt take all the guns off the street but over the years 2 things happened. 1) anyone caught with a gun got sent to jail and gun confiscated obviously, and 2) the small number of guns that were floating around- how cheap do u think these were to buy on the black market? Quite expensive due to being very hard to get and for most criminals they just couldnt afford to buy one. Obviously this takes time for this to work, its not an overnight fix. And NO, other violent crime did not significantly rise in the country, just the number of guns deaths significantly reduced. As i said, i have been to Australia several times and can say firsthand how safe it is to live there.
LMFAO, you are a real fcuking stupid dumb khunt. I actually thought your debating was getting more civilized but now you are just spewing more garbage. Your stupid comments are quite annoying.Your example for the Empire State Building shooting isnt an example. People arent given concealed carry permits in New York City, or even anywhere around New York City especially the souther tier of New York State. New York State has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country.
Thats the problem with this country, all our politicians are bought out by special interests and corporations. Without money you stand no chance at high office.
Keep in mind anti-gun lobby buys out politicians as well.
You can easily say it wont work, Mexico has some of the strictest gun control laws in the planet, yet have a far higher homicide rate than the USA.
You cant necessarily say that if it worked in your country (although I still dont see how it did, with 5,000+ homicides a year in ratio to the population in the USA, and your crime rate the worst ratio in the world) as your country is extremely flawed as well and society is weak if you went to war or your goverment became tyrannical.
Most cops are not overly proficient in shooting. They are more of the "spray and pray" type. Meaning that most of their shots will never hit the target. Most of their shots are cover fire to keep the perp pinned down. I've shot against some officers in competitions and was very surprised at how poor of shots some really are.Thank you for your civilized response.
I partially agree with what you say. Laws definitely need to be reformed and on top of that they also need to be better enforced consistently across each state. Let's face it, yes there are states with tight guns laws but also with high gun crime, and a big part of that is the Laws are poorly being enforced. There are also states with tight gun laws with low gun crime, and vice versa. Hard to read too much into different state statistics as it's quite easy to carry a gun from a state to state, it's not like crossing the mexican border! Your states need to 'Unite' to have some common ground to make your country a safer place. My country ain't perfect by any means and I'm not debating that or other things which can be fixed (the world will never be perfect!), this is purely discussing the gun control debate as gun homicides make up a very large portion of your overall homicides, more than any other type of homicide.
Going back to the Empire State Building shooting, if 2 armed trained professional police officers can't even get it right with 9 innocent bystanders being shot, what would a civilian with a gun have made a difference?? I'm sure there are civilians that can shoot accurately but in general a trained professional police officer (or 2 in this case) SHOULD be able to put a lid on the situation better than any civilian with a gun could, do you agree??
I clearly made up being american because I first wanted you to think the debate was from someone in your own country, as you discredit anyone from outside your country that tries to debate the matter. But in the end I just went with the truth.I still want to know when you BECAME Australian? When you started the thread you didn't live there...
I think you're completely full of shyt, and want to take a contrarian position while you pretend (now) that you're Australian.I clearly made up being american because I first wanted you to think the debate was from someone in your own country, as you discredit anyone from outside your country that tries to debate the matter. But in the end I just went with the truth.
Is that ok with you son of swan?
Pretty poor comparison mate. There are 10's of thousands of police in your country and you have shot against 'some officers'. You don't know most cops so you can't speak on behalf of most cops.Most cops are not overly proficient in shooting. They are more of the "spray and pray" type. Meaning that most of their shots will never hit the target. Most of their shots are cover fire to keep the perp pinned down. I've shot against some officers in competitions and was very surprised at how poor of shots some really are.