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Ike hdrol to epi? Discuss
I heard something about methylated steriods messing up the SAMe enzyme cycle-SAMe S-adenoylmethionone undergoes a cycle in methylating things that need to undergo phase II detox in the liver, which steroids DO need to undergo. Usually SAMe donates a methyl group and becomes homocysteine (which IS very hepatoxic), but gets re-methylated by a methyl donator such as vitamin b12 or b3, to turn into SAMe again (sound familiar? like the atp cycle we know to well from creatine-body likes to recycle crap) Since the roid is already methylated SAMe cant do its job (of methylation, and a build up of SAMe occurs, and that can cause a build up of other liver enzymes, alot of which cant do their job-which is either oxidize, reduce, conjugate a molecule, sulfinate a molecule, all in the effort to make things more water soluble-so you can piss em out-they other way for garbage to go out is if its fat soluble (it goes through a pathway with bile), anyways, when garbage (namely free radicals, oxygena and nitrogen species, that the livers pathways are to clogged up to clear out) build up they can cause cancer or other hepa-diseases. Something like this happens. when the liver get overloaded in one pathway of garbage clearing, it trys another, but enzymes build up to a tipping point where they start to inhibit other processes, and your screwed when this starts to happen.
Hm I don't think it would personally . It has a myriad of benefits though, just don't see it helping tone down hepatoxicityDoesn't answer exact question just opens up to original question and stating injectable b12 would be useful on cycle?
So basically just because it's methylated doesn't mean it's awful and this is why hdrols a beginner compound bcuz it's easier to break down?
dzine is di methyl..... so thats two methyl.... Which is more potent than superdrol....So basically hdrol< pmag<epi<dzine<phera<sd
Not really but pictures are worth 1000 words.dzine is di methyl..... so thats two methyl.... Which is more potent than superdrol....
Testosterone and DHEA have 2.androgens already have numerous methyls attached.
I believe tesotsterone has 3-4, and dhea has even more.
I don't think anyone can say for certain how comparatively hepatotoxic these designers are to each other. That requires extensive research.So hdrol is less toxic than epi or an easy one superdrol because of where it is in the chain?
In a nutshell, ^that's right.the structure of the compound is going to be a determinant in how this effects hepatotoxicity.