SUP3R DHEA vs. Dermacrine, plus my Dermacrine experience.

[Shiznown]

I have been taking Dermacrine for almost a month and it does/did seem to help my mood, however I have been experiencing moodiness. The first 2 1/2 weeks on Dermacrine, I felt great, but now I've noticed elevated irritability. Also, at night I've started to feel anxious. This leads me to think that a portion of the DHEA is aromatizing. SUP3R DHEA has a different estrogen blocker than Dermacrine, so I'm wondering if that'll work better.

 

[thebigt]

I have been taking Dermacrine for almost a month and it does/did seem to help my mood, however I have been experiencing moodiness. The first 2 1/2 weeks on Dermacrine, I felt great, but now I've noticed elevated irritability. Also, at night I've started to feel anxious. This leads me to think that a portion of the DHEA is aromatizing. SUP3R DHEA has a different estrogen blocker than Dermacrine, so I'm wondering if that'll work better.

I never had any issues with dermacrine-BUT, I am eager to try sup3r dhea...my suggestion is try it and see!!!

 

[The Express 42]

I am about a week in on my Sup3r Dhea and I haven't noticed much yet. Thats not to say it won't work, just being honest. Dermacrine usually took a little over a week to kick in for me. The application method is awful with the Sup3r Dhea, its a complete liquid, no lotion texture at all, and there are clumps of white product in it that often dry flaky. I honestly won't care if it ends up working pretty well, but thats my experience thus far.

 

[machinehead]

The first 2 1/2 weeks on Dermacrine, I felt great, but now I've noticed elevated irritability. Also, at night I've started to feel anxious. This leads me to think that a portion of the DHEA is aromatizing.

I have experienced the same from oral resveratrol. Try reducing the dose.

 

[Lynks8]

I have been taking Dermacrine for almost a month and it does/did seem to help my mood, however I have been experiencing moodiness. The first 2 1/2 weeks on Dermacrine, I felt great, but now I've noticed elevated irritability. Also, at night I've started to feel anxious. This leads me to think that a portion of the DHEA is aromatizing. SUP3R DHEA has a different estrogen blocker than Dermacrine, so I'm wondering if that'll work better.

There are quite a few potential reasons for the symptoms you're experiencing, a couple of which could be estrogen being too high or even too low. How's your libido and how many pumps are you using? The combination of 7,8 benzoflavone and resveratrol may actually lower estrogen too much. When I used Sustain Alpha (includes both of these), it crushed my estrogen which hurt my libido and my mood. I had to lower the dose to get my libido and sense of well-being back. I would play with lowering the dose and see how your respond after a week.

Sup3r DHEA may affect you differently due to using Acacetin instead of 7,8benzo and resveratrol. The addition of Osthole is particularly intriguing to me. I have a bottle, but have yet to try it. So far the reports have been very positive regarding mood/libido.

 

[Lynks8]

its a complete liquid, no lotion texture at all,

Agreed. It's annoying, but the carrier should be very effective nonetheless. I plan to use an oral syringe (.99 cents) to make dosing/applying easier. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on Sup3r DHEA once it kicks in.

 

[The Express 42]

Agreed. It's annoying, but the carrier should be very effective nonetheless. I plan to use an oral syringe (.99 cents) to make dosing/applying easier. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on Sup3r DHEA once it kicks in.

Will be leaving a review! Expecting some awesome results!

 

[Shiznown]

Libido is high and I've been having super intense orgasms and that's just solo..In fact, my libido has never been stronger, nor my orgasms and that includes during puberty. I can go for a second round, literally 2 minutes later and it's to the point where I have to have a 2 hour porn fest before bed. So, yes libido is fine, maybe even too fine.

 

[NewAgeMayan]

We are currently looking at options to thicken up the carrier. At present, the actives are reducing the viscosity.

 

[Volvo140G]

Libido is high and I've been having super intense orgasms and that's just solo..In fact, my libido has never been stronger, nor my orgasms and that includes during puberty. I can go for a second round, literally 2 minutes later and it's to the point where I have to have a 2 hour porn fest before bed. So, yes libido is fine, maybe even too fine.

Hahaha

 

[Shiznown]

Okay, well idk what happened but the gel is working how it was before again. I just started to alternate application areas. Not sure if that has anything to do with it though.

 

[Geoffr]

Would you still recommend this?? Did you have any supression? Anything you would recommend that's better?

 

[Shiznown]

Would you still recommend this?? Did you have any supression? Anything you would recommend that's better?

No. Maybe another DHEA product, but not this one. Not for raising testosterone at least. I had slightly lower test levels and slightly high estrogen levels.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Just how much TD DHEA raises (or lowers/unaffects) various hormones:

http://prohormonepodcast.com/prohormones/dermacrine-vs-4-ad-vs-stano-vs-trest-test-base/

or Google prohormone podcast dermacrine and it's the first link.

Caveats in the article.

Edit: Here's the other one from the article:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9253308

 

[Geoffr]

I'm asking because I am on a Sarms cycle, looking for something to increase libido and decrease some minor lethargy. Wanting something that will work nothing crazy that will suppress my T like crazy..

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I'm asking because I am on a Sarms cycle, looking for something to increase libido and decrease some minor lethargy. Wanting something that will work nothing crazy that will suppress my T like crazy..

SARMs suppress anyway, so what are you worried about with 4-AD? DHEA is the least effective way to raise Testosterone, but if the little amount it raises it, works for you, then you win. The added Preg helps. Then there are the non-hormonal herbs that work strictly on libido. You just have to try different stuff - preferably with confirming blood work.

 

[ucheoma]

wish there were some more up to date studies on this considering DHEA is everywhere and so widely used

 

[Geoffr]

I just want something that will help with lathergy and libido that won't speed up supression or make supression severely worse.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I just want something that will help with lathergy and libido that won't speed up supression or make supression severely worse.

What SARM are you using? Even the "mild" Ostarine will take a guy from 550ng/dl to 180ng/dl = 80 year old man levels. You hopefully are PCT'ing with a SERM anyway, so why not use 4AD on cycle as a base? But if you don't want to, you don't want to - try the Dermacrine and see if it works. JMO

 

[niklasericson]

Is it a waste to run Sup3r DHEA solo as a semi natty lean gains cycle?

 

[thebigt]

I am about a week in on my Sup3r Dhea and I haven't noticed much yet. Thats not to say it won't work, just being honest. Dermacrine usually took a little over a week to kick in for me. The application method is awful with the Sup3r Dhea, its a complete liquid, no lotion texture at all, and there are clumps of white product in it that often dry flaky. I honestly won't care if it ends up working pretty well, but thats my experience thus far.

I used to rep for BPS back when DERMACRINE was one of their products, I ordered 2 bottles every month, so I have used it very often.....getting ready to run SUP3R DHEA in the next few days....hopefully SUP3R DHEA is as good or better.

 

[Shiznown]

What SARM are you using? Even the "mild" Ostarine will take a guy from 550ng/dl to 180ng/dl = 80 year old man levels. You hopefully are PCT'ing with a SERM anyway, so why not use 4AD on cycle as a base? But if you don't want to, you don't want to - try the Dermacrine and see if it works. JMO

How bad is that when running low dose of 10mg for 8 weeks? I am about to order Clomid for PCT. I'm using OStarine for arthritis healing, not for muscle building. Also, would taking Clomid while on an Ostarine cycle prevent suppression?

 

[The_Old_Guy]

How bad is that when running low dose of 10mg for 8 weeks? I am about to order Clomid for PCT. I'm using OStarine for arthritis healing, not for muscle building. Also, would taking Clomid while on an Ostarine cycle prevent suppression?

The study amount was 3mg IIRC, and there was suppression - 10mg is over 3x as much. You need to do blood work to know. SERMs on cycle are not common at all - maybe ask Meadows/Serrano on his forum?