S.N.S was nice enough to send me a bottle. I've tried agmatine before and used the Primaforce brand and never got much from it besides lower fasting blood glucose levels. Today I tried the S.N.S brand and took 4 caps pre-workout an empty stomach. Still didn't get any kind of pump. However it seemed to make me really relaxed. My workout was ok but I was so relaxed I had to push myself to continue. Usually I am really strict about watching the clock between sets so my rest time is only so long. Today though it was as if I really didn't care. Don't get me wrong, I felt great. Was in a great mood, but it was detrimental because it was like I didn't try as hard. Mr. Cooper is helping me out through PM and says next time to try just 2 caps pre-workout and 2 caps pre-bed. So I will take 2 tonight before bed.