former_SlimJim
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I’ve decided it is time to post and get some feedback on my cycles that I’ve taken. I have never used ph’s before but I decided I better give them a try before they are banned. I did my homework on this site and decided to use m1t and 4ad. Yes I know m1t is not recommended for a first cycle but with the ban coming up I wanted to try it before it was illegal so I could stock up on it as long as it worked for me with relatively few sides.
1st cycle
10 days - ph
5mg m1t & 600mg 4ad (oral)
178 to 185lbs – 13% body fat
gained 7lbs muscle
14 days – pct
nolva - 40mg 1st wk & 20 mg 2nd
tribulus, milk thistle, & ala
185 to 187 – 14% body fat
gained 2lbs fat
I was really happy with my first cycle. I gained a total of 7lbs of muscle with only 2lbs gain in body fat during pct. I had slight lethargy the first day of m1t and the first day of pct, which amounted to a couple yawns during the day. No big deal on the sides and ready for more mass so I decided to bump up the m1t during the next cycle for greater gains (bad move).
2nd cycle
14 days - ph
10mg m1t & 600mg 4ad (oral)
187 to 187lbs – 14% bf at begin - 11% body fat at end
lost 6lbs fat and gained 6lbs muscle
14 days – pct
same as before
187 to 189 – 12% body fat at end
gained 2lbs fat
I was not nearly as happy with this cycle. By day three, I had lower back cramps, high BP, insomnia at night, lethargy during the day, and no appetite. I almost went off cycle because of them. The high BP, insomnia, and lethargy went away within a couple more days so I kept on the program. The back cramps and the appetite both got worse though. I considered increasing the 4ad to help with the sides but from what I understand, 4ad doesn’t help for appetite and back pains. The loss of appetite caused me the most problems because I wasn’t eating as much as I should. I would eat until I was gagging, which was usually about half of what I should eat. A couple of times I got nauseated just thinking about food and would dread having to eat. In the end, it probably wasn’t a bad cycle because I gained 6lbs of muscle and lost 4lbs of fat. It’s just that in comparison to the first cycle this was sub-par performance. After this experience, I decided to try a 5mg m1t only cycle.
3rd cycle
14 days - ph
5mg m1t only
189 to 191lbs – 12% bf
gained 2lbs muscle
14 days – pct
same as before
This is only day 4 so no stats
No sides at all this time around but the gains are much less than they were on the first cycle. Only 2lbs of muscle on a 14 day cycle of 5mg m1t as compared to 7lbs on a 10 day cycle of 5mg m1t / 600mg 4ad oral. I don’t think the low dose of oral 4ad the first cycle would of made that big of difference in the gains so there has to be a substantial diminishing return on using subsequent m1t cycles.
This leads me to many questions for my next cycle. The biggest problem is the next cycle will be after the ban goes into effect assuming they pass it in October as everyone thinks. I have no time to try other ph’s before I make a substantial purchase before the ban and I definitely want to buy enough to last a couple years.
The many questions:
What kind of diminishing returns do others get on subsequent cycles of m1t?
Do the sides lessen on subsequent cycles to where the dosage can be increased?
Does increasing the dose really help the gains? (From what I understand, it doesn’t.)
Is there something that will increase appetite? I know of one ph that does, but is there something else?
Should I move on to 1 test / 4ad cycles for awhile?
After switching things up a little will a cycle of m1t be affective again?
1st cycle
10 days - ph
5mg m1t & 600mg 4ad (oral)
178 to 185lbs – 13% body fat
gained 7lbs muscle
14 days – pct
nolva - 40mg 1st wk & 20 mg 2nd
tribulus, milk thistle, & ala
185 to 187 – 14% body fat
gained 2lbs fat
I was really happy with my first cycle. I gained a total of 7lbs of muscle with only 2lbs gain in body fat during pct. I had slight lethargy the first day of m1t and the first day of pct, which amounted to a couple yawns during the day. No big deal on the sides and ready for more mass so I decided to bump up the m1t during the next cycle for greater gains (bad move).
2nd cycle
14 days - ph
10mg m1t & 600mg 4ad (oral)
187 to 187lbs – 14% bf at begin - 11% body fat at end
lost 6lbs fat and gained 6lbs muscle
14 days – pct
same as before
187 to 189 – 12% body fat at end
gained 2lbs fat
I was not nearly as happy with this cycle. By day three, I had lower back cramps, high BP, insomnia at night, lethargy during the day, and no appetite. I almost went off cycle because of them. The high BP, insomnia, and lethargy went away within a couple more days so I kept on the program. The back cramps and the appetite both got worse though. I considered increasing the 4ad to help with the sides but from what I understand, 4ad doesn’t help for appetite and back pains. The loss of appetite caused me the most problems because I wasn’t eating as much as I should. I would eat until I was gagging, which was usually about half of what I should eat. A couple of times I got nauseated just thinking about food and would dread having to eat. In the end, it probably wasn’t a bad cycle because I gained 6lbs of muscle and lost 4lbs of fat. It’s just that in comparison to the first cycle this was sub-par performance. After this experience, I decided to try a 5mg m1t only cycle.
3rd cycle
14 days - ph
5mg m1t only
189 to 191lbs – 12% bf
gained 2lbs muscle
14 days – pct
same as before
This is only day 4 so no stats
No sides at all this time around but the gains are much less than they were on the first cycle. Only 2lbs of muscle on a 14 day cycle of 5mg m1t as compared to 7lbs on a 10 day cycle of 5mg m1t / 600mg 4ad oral. I don’t think the low dose of oral 4ad the first cycle would of made that big of difference in the gains so there has to be a substantial diminishing return on using subsequent m1t cycles.
This leads me to many questions for my next cycle. The biggest problem is the next cycle will be after the ban goes into effect assuming they pass it in October as everyone thinks. I have no time to try other ph’s before I make a substantial purchase before the ban and I definitely want to buy enough to last a couple years.
The many questions:
What kind of diminishing returns do others get on subsequent cycles of m1t?
Do the sides lessen on subsequent cycles to where the dosage can be increased?
Does increasing the dose really help the gains? (From what I understand, it doesn’t.)
Is there something that will increase appetite? I know of one ph that does, but is there something else?
Should I move on to 1 test / 4ad cycles for awhile?
After switching things up a little will a cycle of m1t be affective again?