Primordial Performance Fat Loss Stack + Androhard (Sponsored) Log - OUFINNY Style

[Bnatural]

solid workout, how you feeling so far?

 

[rochabp]

lucky SOB i wanted so bad to run this

 

[HATEFULone]

Nice I'll be keeping my eye on this log, I'm saving my androhard for another month or so I might pick up the rest of the stack to add if you like it.

 

[oufinny]

solid workout, how you feeling so far?

Feeling pretty good so far though I will say that I have a slight discomfort when I urinate; I am thinking this could be a bit of swelling in the prostate. It seems to be getting less noticeable but if this continues, I may have to throw something in there for estro control. I did some searching and found that DHT can cause some issues like this in some people. PP people, please comment, this is a bit of a concern and if need be I do have a bottle of Sustain Alpha that can be thrown in to the mix.

As for workouts, they are going well and body composition shows no changes at the moment. I will continue to tighten up my diet and hopefully that will help. Being that this is a recomp, I am not as concerned with total weight loss, just loss of fat and maintaining of all my LBM.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Feeling pretty good so far though I will say that I have a slight discomfort when I urinate; I am thinking this could be a bit of swelling in the prostate. It seems to be getting less noticeable but if this continues, I may have to throw something in there for estro control. I did some searching and found that DHT can cause some issues like this in some people. PP people, please comment, this is a bit of a concern and if need be I do have a bottle of Sustain Alpha that can be thrown in to the mix.

As for workouts, they are going well and body composition shows no changes at the moment. I will continue to tighten up my diet and hopefully that will help. Being that this is a recomp, I am not as concerned with total weight loss, just loss of fat and maintaining of all my LBM.

You taking cycle support, it will clear that problem up quickly...

 

[oufinny]

You taking cycle support, it will clear that problem up quickly...

No I'm not, I was not lead to believe that I would need to. What is the ingredient that I need to eliminate the problem? I might just be able to get that one and take it as opposed to having to order a whole bottle of cycle support.

If I read correctly, Saw Palmetto will take care of the problem. Anyone care to comment on that?

 

[bludevil]

Feeling pretty good so far though I will say that I have a slight discomfort when I urinate; I am thinking this could be a bit of swelling in the prostate. It seems to be getting less noticeable but if this continues, I may have to throw something in there for estro control. I did some searching and found that DHT can cause some issues like this in some people. PP people, please comment, this is a bit of a concern and if need be I do have a bottle of Sustain Alpha that can be thrown in to the mix.

Interesting, I haven't had any issues yet, but will definately have a watchful eye.

 

[DreamWeaver]

No I'm not, I was not lead to believe that I would need to. What is the ingredient that I need to eliminate the problem? I might just be able to get that one and take it as opposed to having to order a whole bottle of cycle support.

If I read correctly, Saw Palmetto will take care of the problem. Anyone care to comment on that?

I was feeling some problems when I was doing a lot of heavy dosing with herbals and saw palmetto helped but Cycle support made me feel like I was in my 30's... some of my issues are also age related. On cycle support there are no issues age or otherwise.

 

[oufinny]

I was feeling some problems when I was doing a lot of heavy dosing with herbals and saw palmetto helped but Cycle support made me feel like I was in my 30's... some of my issues are also age related. On cycle support there are no issues age or otherwise.

I got some Saw Palmetto Complex from VitaminShoppe, it was 50% (sweet!) and it should do me right being that it has Pygeum in it as well. Unless someone has a major objection to this course of action, I am going to continue it and will let you know if the symptoms mitigate.

 

[UKStrength]

I got some Saw Palmetto Complex from VitaminShoppe, it was 50% (sweet!) and it should do me right being that it has Pygeum in it as well. Unless someone has a major objection to this course of action, I am going to continue it and will let you know if the symptoms mitigate.

Keep us informed mate, seems like you've got it under control and the saw palmetto would be a good choice.

 

[Resolve]

It's too early for BPH to have occurred, so if it is the prostate that is causing issues, it's probably just some swelling.

The saw palmetto should take care of it, if it is a good extract. If, after a while that doesn't seem to be helping, reduce the Androhard dose and we'll work things out from there. But I very much doubt it will be an issue.

 

[MrKleen73]

Yeah the saw palmetto works alternatively so does divanil, but it is much better at freeing testosterone.

 

[Trauma1]

I answered your PM, Matt.




-John

 

[oufinny]

It's too early for BPH to have occurred, so if it is the prostate that is causing issues, it's probably just some swelling.

The saw palmetto should take care of it, if it is a good extract. If, after a while that doesn't seem to be helping, reduce the Androhard dose and we'll work things out from there. But I very much doubt it will be an issue.

It actually started almost on day 1, nothing that worries me it just is a feeling I get when I pee, more a slight pressure than anything painful.

I got what I believe to be one, will take it at 1.5 times the dose on bottle until symptoms subside than back to normal.

Yeah the saw palmetto works alternatively so does divanil, but it is much better at freeing testosterone.

MMMM... divanil would be fun but I will stick with the saw palmetto for now.

I answered your PM, Matt.

-John

I will hit you up with my answers in the AM big guy.

 

[Resolve]

Yeah the saw palmetto works alternatively so does divanil, but it is much better at freeing testosterone.

I've been a bit wary of divanil since the whole debacle that went down on bb.com a while ago. Do you have a product/source you trust?

 

[Bnatural]

I've been a bit wary of divanil since the whole debacle that went down on bb.com a while ago. Do you have a product/source you trust?

I know you are asking Kleen, but I'll chime in anyways.
I've had great results with Act. Xtr. and Testopro.
I've had some convo's w/ matt at DS and Crowler from AI is a phenomenal guy as well.

 

[Resolve]

I know you are asking Kleen, but I'll chime in anyways.
I've had great results with Act. Xtr. and Testopro.
I've had some convo's w/ matt at DS and Crowler from AI is a phenomenal guy as well.

Cool man, thanks for the feedback!

 

[oufinny]

Here are my starting pics

 

[MrKleen73]

Good stuff Fin!, Resolve I tend to agree with BNatural, when it comes to trusting content of products AI is definitely in my top picks. I FEEL Testopro working. I also have a bad reaction to OEP, it messes with my prostate for some reason so i started taking low dose of Testopro 2 pills a day and it cleared up quite a bit. I now know for sure it is the OEP so it will be out of my cutting supply. I still have a bottle left though... Anybody wanna buy me some APT Elbow wraps for a bottle of OEP? 15% of of 24.95 you get a good deal...

 

[DreamWeaver]

Good stuff Fin!, Resolve I tend to agree with BNatural, when it comes to trusting content of products AI is definitely in my top picks. I FEEL Testopro working. I also have a bad reaction to OEP, it messes with my prostate for some reason so i started taking low dose of Testopro 2 pills a day and it cleared up quite a bit. I now know for sure it is the OEP so it will be out of my cutting supply. I still have a bottle left though... Anybody wanna buy me some APT Elbow wraps for a bottle of OEP? 15% of of 24.95 you get a good deal...

Wow, that is strange, I wonder what is in OEP that could cause that.. I have a funny reaction to Recreate, it tends to give me vertigo...

 

[oufinny]

Good stuff Fin!, Resolve I tend to agree with BNatural, when it comes to trusting content of products AI is definitely in my top picks. I FEEL Testopro working. I also have a bad reaction to OEP, it messes with my prostate for some reason so i started taking low dose of Testopro 2 pills a day and it cleared up quite a bit. I now know for sure it is the OEP so it will be out of my cutting supply. I still have a bottle left though... Anybody wanna buy me some APT Elbow wraps for a bottle of OEP? 15% of of 24.95 you get a good deal...

Tempting my friend but I don't see me using OEP in the near future, there are more stacks of nastiness I have in mind or I would be all over that!

Wow, that is strange, I wonder what is in OEP that could cause that.. I have a funny reaction to Recreate, it tends to give me vertigo...

That DW is quite strange to say the least. Recreate used to irritate my stomach from time to time but I seem to have eliminated so much of that now that I have got my stress level down to human levels. Any you got lying around I will surely take off your hands . onder:

Unrelated to these comments - I need to do some serious work in the chest department. I finally figured out how to grow my legs and arms now my chest needs some work. On my next stack after the Fat Loss Stack (very happy so far PP), I am going to do a four day split and do some serious building in the chest if possible. Let's hear some ideas and throw around some different routines that have worked for you all in the past. USP has the chest bomb workout I read about and know some of you have tried, there is DC, the list goes on.

 

[oufinny]

Monday night workout - abbreviated but effective

I had to cut my workout short, living in an apartment that is 80 degrees took presidence over finishing up yesterday; averaging 4 hours of sleep sucks! Got that solved, new AC unit is getting installed this week and now back to the log.

PWO Supps:
1 scoops AS-GT
2.5 grams Beta-Alanine
2 grams ALCAR
This little combo is now my go to for pwo and will be done until I run out of ALCAR.

Workout:
Lat Pull Down wide grip - 110x10, 160x10, 160x10 ds 130x10 ds 110x10 Hmmm... never do this so the weights were weak and I had no wraps to help. I can do pull ups to my hearts content so not sure what this is all about.

BB Bench Press - 135x8, 185x8, 205x8 ds 155x6 ds 135x6 Happy with this, thinking next week I can get to 205 for both sets and then hopefully 225 here soon. No spotter for this either.

Hack/front squat machine - 360x10, 520x8, 520x8 ds 450x8 ds 410x8 Legs were rocking after this. Thinking I can get to 550 or higher in the next few weeks, nice!

Tri rope extensions - 60x8, 80x8, 80x8 ds 60x8 ds 40x8 Holy pumps batman, good stuff.

Had to dip so I could get back before 6 PM. Nothing today just low carb and rest. Tomorrow I will be hitting it up same ol and hopefully I can get some cardio in this week but it is not looking good.

Note - going to float the river this weekend in New Braunfels, TX and with luck can grab an early workout on Friday morning. Then this weekend will be, shall we say, a free for all of non-diet related eating/drinking. I will do what I can to moderate the bad food intake, will bring all my supps and some protein for inbetween large meals. We shall see what happens.

Weight ~186
Starting weight - 187.2

 

[Army Guy]

you're looking great Fin! Much leaner and fuller than the last picks you posted!

 

[HereToStudy]

Just caught up, everything is looking good. On the prostate issue, it really does seem way to early to have an issue arrise, but anything can happen with out bodies. Glad the Saw Palmetto is working out for you.

I actually just started Turinabol-LV/AndroHard/GreenTea/CLA

 

[bludevil]

Note - going to float the river this weekend in New Braunfels, TX

I enjoy kayaking myself. what you riding? I have a 14ft Mad River Synergy

Also, pic's look good

 

[oufinny]

Just caught up, everything is looking good. On the prostate issue, it really does seem way to early to have an issue arrise, but anything can happen with out bodies. Glad the Saw Palmetto is working out for you.

I actually just started Turinabol-LV/AndroHard/GreenTea/CLA

Hmmm... stop teasing us with your Turinabol talk. I seriously had to force myself not to break into the Sustain Alpha that I have now. First time I went without issue just a few minutes ago, seems the Saw Palmetto is working as expected. Not sure why I had this issue, could have been from the amount of test boosting that I have done this year built up over time.

 

[HereToStudy]

Hmmm... stop teasing us with your Turinabol talk. I seriously had to force myself not to break into the Sustain Alpha that I have now. First time I went without issue just a few minutes ago, seems the Saw Palmetto is working as expected. Not sure why I had this issue, could have been from the amount of test boosting that I have done this year built up over time.

Hahah to T-LV comment

On the prostate issue, I spent alot of this weekend traveling (was in Michigan to see girlfriend's family), and during that travel did alot of studying/reading on AAS, supplementation, etc. I actually read through Anabolic Pharmacology (which I now plan to go through again with highlighter/notebook), and the number one thing I see is everyone is different and anything hormonal is unpredictable at best. What could cause someone to reach their goals with no sides, will cause someone else to make no progress and sit in a fetal position. Obvious exaggeration, but each body is unique, and the best move you made was recognizing the issue and targeting fixing it. Now, it looks like we are good to go

 

[oufinny]

Hahah to T-LV comment

On the prostate issue, I spent alot of this weekend traveling (was in Michigan to see girlfriend's family), and during that travel did alot of studying/reading on AAS, supplementation, etc. I actually read through Anabolic Pharmacology (which I now plan to go through again with highlighter/notebook), and the number one thing I see is everyone is different and anything hormonal is unpredictable at best. What could cause someone to reach their goals with no sides, will cause someone else to make no progress and sit in a fetal position. Obvious exaggeration, but each body is unique, and the best move you made was recognizing the issue and targeting fixing it. Now, it looks like we are good to go

Also I know that if I go and do a stack with Androhard again at the higher dose, I will be front loading with AI CS2.0 from the start to make sure there is no problem in the future. Luckily this is minor compared to some of the gyno, no libido issues many face when on cycle! :rasp:

 

[HereToStudy]

Also I know that if I go and do a stack with Androhard again at the higher dose, I will be front loading with AI CS2.0 from the start to make sure there is no problem in the future. Luckily this is minor compared to some of the gyno, no libido issues many face when on cycle! :rasp:

Sounds good. Unfortunately, my gf is in Michigan for another week and coming home only for one night before heading to Italy for a semester of school, so my libido boost from Androhard won't be enjoyed enough

 

[Resolve]

My chest is always a lagging bodypart for me. What has really helped for strength and development purposes are movements that eliminate the stretch reflex and begin from a dead stop.

Floor Press, Floor Fly, Pin Press etc. I alternate these with normal bench, cable flies, and dips.

 

[punthra]

Subbed...Sorry i got to the party late! Physique is coming along nicely...

 

[DreamWeaver]

Also I know that if I go and do a stack with Androhard again at the higher dose, I will be front loading with AI CS2.0 from the start to make sure there is no problem in the future. Luckily this is minor compared to some of the gyno, no libido issues many face when on cycle! :rasp:

That's the ticket... :veryhappy:

 

[oufinny]

That's the ticket... :veryhappy:

You know I always listen to your recommendations DW. In this case I just wanted something I could get my hands on quickly that would be enough to deal with the problem. Anything in the future will be better planned to make sure everything is covered from the start.

 

[MrKleen73]

Good deal. I am loading up on Liver and BP supps now, will be kicking off my run next week if everything has arrived. I have Purus Labs Organ Sheild and CEL Cycle Assist but wish I had enough cash to pick up the CS2 but hoping the Purus labs will get me through my lower dosed 1st 4 weeks then moving on to Cycle Assist. If I can find the cash between now and then I would rather run CS2 during the higher doses and run the Cycle Assist during PCT to finish cleaning up the liver and what not.

 

[MrBigPR]

 

[luelinks]

I'm SOOOOOOO in!

 

[DreamWeaver]

You know I always listen to your recommendations DW. In this case I just wanted something I could get my hands on quickly that would be enough to deal with the problem. Anything in the future will be better planned to make sure everything is covered from the start.

Yah you had to get something fast I know... I would have done the same thing.

 

[Tomahawk88]

Well Im late but Im here haha.

 

[oufinny]

I'm SOOOOOOO in!

Well Im late but Im here haha.

Happy to have you along. How are things going for you Tom with the Andro or is it hard to tell with all the other goodness you are running?

 

[oufinny]

Not that I advocate the posting of half naked men in my threads, that is pretty close to what I am going for as an overall goal. Most likely more muscle mass though, same absence of fat though. That is your one get out of jail free card... you must redeem yourself!

 

[MrBigPR]

it was posted because u look like him

 

[oufinny]

it was posted because u look like him

Hmmm... that my friend is the first time anyone has said that.

 

[MrBigPR]

lol ur a celebrity

 

[gwls]

Hmmm... that my friend is the first time anyone has said that.

It's true though...

 

[oufinny]

Less talk, more iron smashing!!!!!!!!

Yet again I was in a bit of a hurry yesterday but NOTHING was going to be skipped... I hate doing that. You shall see the destruction that lies after this slaying of the iron, I was mad crazy pumped and it is obvious the AndroHard is kicking like a mule. More on that in a sec.

PWO Supps:
1 scoops AS-GT + ALCAR + more BA
I have to say, this is the best pwo combo I have ever put together. If you are wanting to have a sick workout and not be over stimmed, make this for yourself and hold on for dear life. :deal:

Workout:
Leg Extensions - 185x10, 260x8, 260x8 ds 215x8 ds 185x8 HOLY CRAP my legs were burning. So I had a vein in the tear drop on my quad today, yeah, I was majorly happy to see that bad boy. :32:

Incline Bench Press - 135x8, 185x7, 185x7 ds 155x8 ds 135x8 Wow this was hard but I have to say for the first time in a while on the incline bench and felt strong and confident at 185. Hoping for 200+ here in the near future.

DB Tricep extensions - 65x10, 105x8, 105x8 ds 70x8 ds 55x8 Good things here even if 105 was retarded hard. Form is staying in check but I need to chill at 105 for a few more weeks to get my ROM a little better.

Machine Military Press - 110x8, 170x8, 170x8 ds 130x8 ds 100x8 Yeah these were BRUTAL after incline bench. Pump and swole shoulders, check!

Bent over BB rows - 135x8, 175x8, 185x8 ds 155x8 ds 135x8 I can go above 200 with straps, need to bring those for the next round. Shoulder vascularity is getting ridiculous, saw a vein in my traps .

Seated bicep curls - 25x8, 35x8, 35x8 ds 25x8 ds 20x8 My biceps and forearms were so tight I could barely move my arms. Forearms were literally as hard as a rock, I could not move my wrist hardly at all to get changed. Digging it!!!!!!

Killer workout followed by a nice 2 scooper of NutraPro, Almond Milk and Natty PB.

AndroHard 1 week thoughts - Aggression and libido are increasing by the day. Vascularity is starting to show and so are the sides of my abs! Prostate issue is diminishing but not gone, it is kind of intermittent now so I call that progress.

Dermatherm - Digging this and the tightening of the skin that I get from it. No unpleasant burn just a warming of the core for the first hour or so. Sweat comes very easy after application, we will see how it goes on Friday after a workout or possibly before...

Green Tea - Taken as directed and I am assuming it is doing its thing since I am already looking leaner and am down to 185.

Weight ~185

CLA - AWOL at this point, hopefully here soon.

 

[punthra]

Nice work my aquatic friend!!!!

 

[Bnatural]

solid workout bro!

 

[HereToStudy]

AndroHard 1 week thoughts - Aggression and libido are increasing by the day. Vascularity is starting to show and so are the sides of my abs! Prostate issue is diminishing but not gone, it is kind of intermittent now so I call that progress.

Dermatherm - Digging this and the tightening of the skin that I get from it. No unpleasant burn just a warming of the core for the first hour or so. Sweat comes very easy after application, we will see how it goes on Friday after a workout or possibly before...

Green Tea - Taken as directed and I am assuming it is doing its thing since I am already looking leaner and am down to 185.

Weight ~185

Looking good on all fronts!

CLA - AWOL at this point, hopefully here soon.

Let me see if I can get an update on this...

 

[Resolve]

I love full body workouts man - use 'em regularly!

With the Dermatherm, are you noticing any water retention? That's something I've experienced with a lot of fat-loss topicals.

 

[Army Guy]

great lift oh aquatic one!!!