DmitryWI
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Yes, it's what I mean. Your soul is alive either it's in your physical body or in spiritual dimention. When you die, your body died technically speaking, but not your soul.
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There is certainly no evidence that happened, is there? It's only based on the need to keep Christ "honorable" in the eyes of Islam. Besides, that's too elaborate and shady of a plan, God is more direct usually. Christ relinquished His life, that's the historical record and verifiable by many historians, secular too. Islam is an honor religion. Muslims would NEVER see Muhammad as lowering himself for this. He would be held high and never dirty himself. Christianity is a the opposite. Christ lowered Himself, and in doing so, qualified to be elevated above all others for His sacrifice and humility.
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You miss the point, Christ was the God/man, 100% God and 100% man. Part of him died on the cross, it had to to qualify for his payoff. He was the price of our redemption, and He choose to honor the father and do His will.
and Nas, of course Jesus was God, He rose again 3 days later! Does any other religion in the world have a messiah that did that? Or even dare claim he could do that?? Nope. Only the one REAL God of all holds the keys of life and death my friend. There is only one. This all goes back to Abraham, the problems today. He divided the line of Arab and Jew and now they fight for the land. Ishmael was predicted to be a wild donkey of a man, always at war with his brother, that's why all the Muslim on Muslim violence. There is a conspiracy and NWO coming for sure but this has been prophesied long ago and must soon come to pass.
DmitryWI
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Oh, I missed this post. No I don't believe this is true.
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Yea, it's what I have in mind, I guess I just don't express my thoughs well enough. Jesus's body died, but not Himself.
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Your not alone D, I don't think I communicate well either half the time. In fact, thanks for being so patient with me over the years! lol
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I have an idea, everyone should get guns and the last man standing is right. Kind of interesting how people can argue happenings from over 2k years ago... Life and spirituality are summed up by saying its about the journey not he destination, most religions are pedalled based upon final admission whereas hell or heaven isnt a club its a picture you paint with your actions. So why debate the end when the journey is sidelined by dissagreements.
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hey D could pls explain me more about what did u mean " that muhamed peace be upon him wont lower his self...ect" ! when u say jesus peace be upon him is god and human at same time i s kind paradoxal there is no proof about that too! anyway i am MUSLIM and I love jesus i believ in his real message a s prophets hen never wonted to turn his religion as religinS nevr said to worship teh cross and turn that to idolatry and most important HE NEVER SAID HE IS GOD OR SON OF GOD!
anyway JESUS ll return and then the truth ll SHINE!
ps: as muslim i dont worship muhamed peace be upon him or any other human or thing and only one unique god the lord the creator !
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u right man the action is the most important thats the only thing we take with us in the herafter ! but to make good pure actions u need teh real loyal faith in god bu te clue here is we have know what and how to do itin away top pleas teh lord like he wanna be pleasd! so we always have to look for teh truth
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the only eveidance i have bout that is the holy korna wich is only one unique version and doidnt change by a letet in the 1500 yers that past u said he rose 3 days again maybe cuz he didnt die he was still alive tah go called him an dmany prophets god helpd them withdiffrend miracles like moses "pbuh" split the sea ..ect all taht to prove to humans! , and sorry i dont belive in nwo ! if tehre is no conspiracy telle bout the pyramide in the dolla bill and obeliscs even in vatican and in the white hise paramonh the goddes od the underworld; teh libertie statue wish is babylonian godees ishatar u think jesus beivied onthose pagan gods! an don teh 9 11 only plan filight after that was teh bushladen familly!
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Yes Nas, Jesus did say he was God, why you think the Jewish pharisees accused him of blasphemy? I am with you on idolatry, worship no image or creation, only the creator. But I know what Muslims think. My problem is hat you deny the deity of Christ. You deny the virgin birth from no seed? It can only be of God and that's what you refuse to acknowledge. Like I say though, only Christ holds the keys of life and death.
I don't subscribe to any particular denomination myself, but the Bible is correct and Jesus is who he said he was. If not and even part of it is wrong, the whole Bible is wrong and he was a mad man and a lunatic.
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Well why would you go on a journey without regaurds to destination?These new age philosophies are olny good for giving one the ability to sin without accountability.thats human nature we are justifiers from birth.Look has anyone ever had to teach a child to lie?Nope sin in a fallen creation brings that on naturally.Jesus died because of His love for mankind but were given frewill as to accept the free gift of salvation or not.
Im not speaking from an idealogical perspective but from experience.Ive been delivered from drugs and alcohol.Ive seen documented cancer be healed.Ive seen depression be broken:thats real not speculation.Im not here to have a crap slinging match.im just giving the info and now others are accountable for what they do with it.And I dont hold it against anyone who doesnt believe as I do.Many of my friends arent Christian.I care about them just the same.
The bible says noone comes to the Father except drawn by the Spirit so just pray about it and see what happens.
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I think maybe you just had some teachers that misinformed you Nas, but you are smart and I have faith you will come to see truth. When you do, you will be tempted not to believe. It will make you angry that you were tricked for so long! But that's ok, do not reject it on that day because all is well that ends well and it is never to late to know you are saved. Christ says you can be sure of your eternal salvation if you love and trust him and acknowledge him as the one. With Allah, you never know! Even Mohamed said he didn't know if he would be in heaven or not. Is that the god you wanna serve Nas? Jesus believed in no other god but God the father, part of his holy trinity because they all existed from the beginning. NWO or whatever you want to call it is coming. A system will be established and it will resemble Babylon the Great and the revived Roman Empire. How do you explain the dollar bill or Islamic basis of freemasonry? Why is deception at epidemic proportions and pestilence rising daily everywhere? I have seen it myself like never before in the last few months, just around the broads even! The world is polarizing. These are the later days my friend, and I know you seek truth, so that is good. Don't stay in "the box". I respect your beliefs but I urge you to consider the message of Christ as the Bible states it, just once again before you conclude. God bless you to find the truth you seek.
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yes i belive in the virgin mary who had jesus through holy spirit sent by god its called a miracle from god to prove to ppl he is the messiah thats what teh jews denied! it doesnt mean he is god or half god it s remind me of teh greek methology and hercules son zeus,also could pls gime the vers from bible that he states he is god ! and i f u belive in that it means u belive in 2 gods teh creator and his son! also D u seems u honnest so u agree with me that the bible isnt relible with many versions and teh far meaning betwenn trnaslations
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Introduction: We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption! GOD Almighty Said: "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!
See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.
The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted. The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.
Just who were the real authors of the Bible?
The quotes in green below are from the NIV Bible's commentary. Before each Book/Gospel, there are few pages explaining the history of it. I was shocked to see that most of today's Bible's Books and Gospels are doubtful and unreliable. I will start with the New Testament first, and then the Old Testament second. The bibliography of the NIV Bible that I used is listed at the end of this article.
After thoroughly reading this article, I would like you to answer the following questions:
1- Is all of the Bible GOD's Divine Revelations?
2- Did the Prophets of GOD really write the Bible of today?
3- Is the Bible perfect?
4- Did man indeed corrupt the Bible?
5- Is the Bible of today reliable?
If your answer is no to most of or all of the above questions except for #4, then allow me to say that your faith has serious problems!
You be the Judge: After all of the evidence provided in the article, should I as a non-Christian take the Bible as the word of GOD Almighty?
Exposing the New Testament's historical corruptions
The Gospel of Mark:
"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1488)"
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So, in reality, we don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not. And since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus, then how are we to know for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro of Mark?
I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!
Further regarding this Gospel, we read the following commentary about Mark 16:9-20:
"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"
This quote raises a very serious issue here. First of all, as we've seen above in the first quote, we have no evidence that proves that John Mark was the sole author of this so called "Gospel". Second of all, we see that this Gospel has some serious problems/suspicions in it. The issue of Mark 16:9-20 is a scary one, because many Christian cults today use poisonous snakes in their worship and end up dying.
Removing Mark 16:9-20 is quite appreciated by me personally (to be quite honest with you), because it prevents people from dying from snake bites. But however, the serious issue of man's corruption of the Bible remains.
We can be absolutely certain now that the above quotes prove without a doubt that the Bible is doubtful. The quote "or its original ending has been lost" proves that what we call today "Gospels" were not written by their original authors such as Mark, John, Matthew, etc... It proves that the Gospel had been tampered with by man. Let alone considering it as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty.
If John Mark wasn't the one who wrote Mark 16:9-20, then who did? And how can you prove the ownership of the other person? Let alone proving that it was GOD Almighty's Revelation. And as we saw in the first quote above, we don't even know that John Mark was indeed the one who wrote the so called "Gospel of Mark".
To say the least in our case here, we now have enough evidence to discard the entire Gospel of Mark from the Bible, because you can't take bits and pieces of it and say some of it belongs to him and some of it doesn't! Let alone considering the entire corrupted Gospel as the True Living Word of GOD Almighty, which is a complete blasphemy.
Here is an email that I received from a Christian regarding Mark 16:17-18:
From: R. Mercer
To: [email protected]
Subject: I Totally Agree
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:41:57 -0700
"What credibility does Christianity have when it scriptures are littered with such dangerous and obvious forgeries?"
You summed it up very well on your web page. That is my question entirely. Just what are we to believe? If forgeries have been proven to exist in the Bible, then how many more must there be? What about the chapters and verses we all guide our whole life/styles by? Are they forgeries, too?
This verse in Mark 16:17-18, has always bothered me. I have, and still do believe the rest of that passage (laying on of hands, healing the sick,...), so how can that part of the passage be true when the serpent part is forged?
I know the part on drinking any poison says "IF", but the part on taking up serpents says "SHALL", which has always been a problem for me to believe. Imagine us all being forced to take up serpents in order to serve God.
On the other hand, if this was forged, then that creates an even bigger concern for me. Not knowing what text in our Bible is authentic and what is not.
Thanks for letting me take up so much of your time. Like I said
before, this passage always bothered me, probably more so than any other.
Thanks, once again. Good Day.
The Book of Acts:
"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"
So based on some conclusion, you're willing to die for defending the idea that the Book of Acts was the True Word of GOD Almighty? If the book was inspired by GOD Almighty, then how come it wasn't mentioned in the book itself to help us filter it out from the many other "Satanic false books"? Are we sure that this book too is not a man-made Satanic book?
After all, its just a conclusion, isn't it?
Beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering it as the True Living Word of GOD.
The Gospel of Luke:
"The author's name does not appear in the book, but much unmistakable evidence points to Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1529)"
Again, we don't know for sure whether it was Luke or not who wrote the "Gospel of Luke" since his name doesn't appear in the Book. The Gospel itself seems to be a compromising one to the Word of GOD. Let us look at the following:
"Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, (Luke 1:3)"
Few problems with this Gospel from the quote above:
1- The author was not inspired, and knew for sure that he was not inspired by GOD Almighty to write the Book since he didn't mention about any divine inspiration, and he said "...since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning..." Where do we see GOD's inspiration in this?
2- The author wrote it for the purpose of "his most excellent Theophilus." Since when we compromise GOD Almighty and document His Holy Words for the purpose of other higher (in rank) human beings?
I say it again, I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!
Also, beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering as the True Living Word of GOD.
Further from brother Vipor Poison; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
Luke 1:3
Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!
Further regarding this Gospel, we read the following commentary about Mark 16:9-20:
"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"
This quote raises a very serious issue here. First of all, as we've seen above in the first quote, we have no evidence that proves that John Mark was the sole author of this so called "Gospel". Second of all, we see that this Gospel has some serious problems/suspicions in it. The issue of Mark 16:9-20 is a scary one, because many Christian cults today use poisonous snakes in their worship and end up dying.
Removing Mark 16:9-20 is quite appreciated by me personally (to be quite honest with you), because it prevents people from dying from snake bites. But however, the serious issue of man's corruption of the Bible remains.
We can be absolutely certain now that the above quotes prove without a doubt that the Bible is doubtful. The quote "or its original ending has been lost" proves that what we call today "Gospels" were not written by their original authors such as Mark, John, Matthew, etc... It proves that the Gospel had been tampered with by man. Let alone considering it as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty.
If John Mark wasn't the one who wrote Mark 16:9-20, then who did? And how can you prove the ownership of the other person? Let alone proving that it was GOD Almighty's Revelation. And as we saw in the first quote above, we don't even know that John Mark was indeed the one who wrote the so called "Gospel of Mark".
To say the least in our case here, we now have enough evidence to discard the entire Gospel of Mark from the Bible, because you can't take bits and pieces of it and say some of it belongs to him and some of it doesn't! Let alone considering the entire corrupted Gospel as the True Living Word of GOD Almighty, which is a complete blasphemy.
Here is an email that I received from a Christian regarding Mark 16:17-18:
From: R. Mercer
To: [email protected]
Subject: I Totally Agree
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:41:57 -0700
"What credibility does Christianity have when it scriptures are littered with such dangerous and obvious forgeries?"
You summed it up very well on your web page. That is my question entirely. Just what are we to believe? If forgeries have been proven to exist in the Bible, then how many more must there be? What about the chapters and verses we all guide our whole life/styles by? Are they forgeries, too?
This verse in Mark 16:17-18, has always bothered me. I have, and still do believe the rest of that passage (laying on of hands, healing the sick,...), so how can that part of the passage be true when the serpent part is forged?
I know the part on drinking any poison says "IF", but the part on taking up serpents says "SHALL", which has always been a problem for me to believe. Imagine us all being forced to take up serpents in order to serve God.
On the other hand, if this was forged, then that creates an even bigger concern for me. Not knowing what text in our Bible is authentic and what is not.
Thanks for letting me take up so much of your time. Like I said
before, this passage always bothered me, probably more so than any other.
Thanks, once again. Good Day.
The Book of Acts:
"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"
So based on some conclusion, you're willing to die for defending the idea that the Book of Acts was the True Word of GOD Almighty? If the book was inspired by GOD Almighty, then how come it wasn't mentioned in the book itself to help us filter it out from the many other "Satanic false books"? Are we sure that this book too is not a man-made Satanic book?
After all, its just a conclusion, isn't it?
Beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering it as the True Living Word of GOD.
The Gospel of Luke:
"The author's name does not appear in the book, but much unmistakable evidence points to Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1529)"
Again, we don't know for sure whether it was Luke or not who wrote the "Gospel of Luke" since his name doesn't appear in the Book. The Gospel itself seems to be a compromising one to the Word of GOD. Let us look at the following:
"Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, (Luke 1:3)"
Few problems with this Gospel from the quote above:
1- The author was not inspired, and knew for sure that he was not inspired by GOD Almighty to write the Book since he didn't mention about any divine inspiration, and he said "...since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning..." Where do we see GOD's inspiration in this?
2- The author wrote it for the purpose of "his most excellent Theophilus." Since when we compromise GOD Almighty and document His Holy Words for the purpose of other higher (in rank) human beings?
I say it again, I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!
Also, beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering as the True Living Word of GOD.
Further from brother Vipor Poison; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
Luke 1:3
Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
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GOSPEL AUTHORS
Source: Answering-Christianity
Introduction: We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption! GOD Almighty Said: "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!
See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.
The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted. The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.
Just who were the real authors of the Bible?
The quotes in green below are from the NIV Bible's commentary. Before each Book/Gospel, there are few pages explaining the history of it. I was shocked to see that most of today's Bible's Books and Gospels are doubtful and unreliable. I will start with the New Testament first, and then the Old Testament second. The bibliography of the NIV Bible that I used is listed at the end of this article.
After thoroughly reading this article, I would like you to answer the following questions:
1- Is all of the Bible GOD's Divine Revelations?
2- Did the Prophets of GOD really write the Bible of today?
3- Is the Bible perfect?
4- Did man indeed corrupt the Bible?
5- Is the Bible of today reliable?
If your answer is no to most of or all of the above questions except for #4, then allow me to say that your faith has serious problems!
You be the Judge: After all of the evidence provided in the article, should I as a non-Christian take the Bible as the word of GOD Almighty?
Exposing the New Testament's historical corruptions
The Gospel of Mark:
"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1488)"
So, in reality, we don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not. And since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus, then how are we to know for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro of Mark?
I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!
Further regarding this Gospel, we read the following commentary about Mark 16:9-20:
"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"
This quote raises a very serious issue here. First of all, as we've seen above in the first quote, we have no evidence that proves that John Mark was the sole author of this so called "Gospel". Second of all, we see that this Gospel has some serious problems/suspicions in it. The issue of Mark 16:9-20 is a scary one, because many Christian cults today use poisonous snakes in their worship and end up dying.
Removing Mark 16:9-20 is quite appreciated by me personally (to be quite honest with you), because it prevents people from dying from snake bites. But however, the serious issue of man's corruption of the Bible remains.
We can be absolutely certain now that the above quotes prove without a doubt that the Bible is doubtful. The quote "or its original ending has been lost" proves that what we call today "Gospels" were not written by their original authors such as Mark, John, Matthew, etc... It proves that the Gospel had been tampered with by man. Let alone considering it as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty.
If John Mark wasn't the one who wrote Mark 16:9-20, then who did? And how can you prove the ownership of the other person? Let alone proving that it was GOD Almighty's Revelation. And as we saw in the first quote above, we don't even know that John Mark was indeed the one who wrote the so called "Gospel of Mark".
To say the least in our case here, we now have enough evidence to discard the entire Gospel of Mark from the Bible, because you can't take bits and pieces of it and say some of it belongs to him and some of it doesn't! Let alone considering the entire corrupted Gospel as the True Living Word of GOD Almighty, which is a complete blasphemy.
Here is an email that I received from a Christian regarding Mark 16:17-18:
From: R. Mercer
To: [email protected]
Subject: I Totally Agree
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:41:57 -0700
"What credibility does Christianity have when it scriptures are littered with such dangerous and obvious forgeries?"
You summed it up very well on your web page. That is my question entirely. Just what are we to believe? If forgeries have been proven to exist in the Bible, then how many more must there be? What about the chapters and verses we all guide our whole life/styles by? Are they forgeries, too?
This verse in Mark 16:17-18, has always bothered me. I have, and still do believe the rest of that passage (laying on of hands, healing the sick,...), so how can that part of the passage be true when the serpent part is forged?
I know the part on drinking any poison says "IF", but the part on taking up serpents says "SHALL", which has always been a problem for me to believe. Imagine us all being forced to take up serpents in order to serve God.
On the other hand, if this was forged, then that creates an even bigger concern for me. Not knowing what text in our Bible is authentic and what is not.
Thanks for letting me take up so much of your time. Like I said
before, this passage always bothered me, probably more so than any other.
Thanks, once again. Good Day.
The Book of Acts:
"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"
So based on some conclusion, you're willing to die for defending the idea that the Book of Acts was the True Word of GOD Almighty? If the book was inspired by GOD Almighty, then how come it wasn't mentioned in the book itself to help us filter it out from the many other "Satanic false books"? Are we sure that this book too is not a man-made Satanic book?
After all, its just a conclusion, isn't it?
Beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering it as the True Living Word of GOD.
The Gospel of Luke:
"The author's name does not appear in the book, but much unmistakable evidence points to Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1529)"
Again, we don't know for sure whether it was Luke or not who wrote the "Gospel of Luke" since his name doesn't appear in the Book. The Gospel itself seems to be a compromising one to the Word of GOD. Let us look at the following:
"Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, (Luke 1:3)"
Few problems with this Gospel from the quote above:
1- The author was not inspired, and knew for sure that he was not inspired by GOD Almighty to write the Book since he didn't mention about any divine inspiration, and he said "...since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning..." Where do we see GOD's inspiration in this?
2- The author wrote it for the purpose of "his most excellent Theophilus." Since when we compromise GOD Almighty and document His Holy Words for the purpose of other higher (in rank) human beings?
I say it again, I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!
Also, beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering as the True Living Word of GOD.
Further from brother Vipor Poison; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
Luke 1:3
Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
The following is from the Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://newadvent.org/cathen/14625b.htm
http://newadvent.org/cathen/14625a.htm
If Theophilus existed in either the 2nd or the 4th centuries then how could the writer of this gospel be the same Luke who is supposed to be with Jesus in the 1st century. Maybe he lived to about 200 years..
The Book of Hebrews:
"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"
So because the guy was supposedly "well known (which we don't really know that for sure anyway)", then would that give us the right to consider his words as the Words of GOD Almighty?! I am sorry, but I don't really see the logic behind this! The Book of Hebrews is one of the highly used Books among Christians. I hear references from it a lot when listening to Christians preaching. Yet, no one really knows who wrote it!. This is quite ironic, because Christians use such highly doubtful books in their teachings as if they were the True Living Words of GOD Almighty. I don't care what you call this, but I call it blasphemy, because it is the most ridiculous insult to GOD Almighty and His Holy Words that I have ever seen.
I just hope you see the real cheap quality in the religion of Christianity, with all my respect due to every Christian reader.
The Gospel of John:
"The author is the apostle John, 'the disciple whom Jesus loved' (13:23; 19:26; 20:2; 21:7, 20,24). He was prominent in the early church but is not mentioned by name in this Gospel-- which would be natural if he wrote it, but hard to explain otherwise. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1588)"
They claimed that it was John who wrote the Gospel, but yet, his name was not signed on his Gospel! How is it possible for us to be absolutely sure that it was indeed John who wrote the so called "Gospel of John" when "his name is not mentioned in this Gospel" so we can then take it as a 100% True Error-free Word of GOD Almighty?
The Gospel of 1 John:
"....Unlike most NT letters, 1 John does not tell us who its author is. The earliest identification of him comes from the church fathers...(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1904)"
"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"
This is really ironic! with all respect due to Christians. If the Book's author is not for sure known, then why assume that it was Saint John who wrote it?
Please visit The lie of 1 John 5:7. This verse was later discovered to be a Satanic lie. The Roman Catholic Theologians don't believe in it, and it doesn't exist in their Bibles.
The same case where no author is really known exists in the Gospels of 2 and 3 John.
The Book of Revelation:
"Four times the author identifies himself as John (1:1,4,9; 22:8).....In the third century, however, an African bishop named Dionysius compared the language, style and thought of the Apocalypse (Revelation) with that of the other writings of John and decided that the book could not been written by the apostle of John. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1922)"
Again, we don't know who wrote the Book of Revelation. It is certainly highly doubtful that it was written by Apostle John. The Theologians and Historians of the NIV Bible seem to agree with the invalidity of this book from the above quote. So are you now going to consider the other John's words as the Words and Inspirations of GOD Almighty?
Notice that in the sections of "Gospel of John" and "Gospels of 1, 2 & 3 John" above, the author did not identify himself and it was ASSUMED without actual proofs that it was Saint John who wrote them. Notice how they said that if he were to identify himself, then it would be hard for them to explain it.
Now, notice the author in the Book of Revelation does identify himself as John, but he has a complete different language and style of writing from the other books, which created much uncertainty about its validity in the Church.
My questions here are: Who wrote the Books? And is or is not Saint John supposed to identify himself in his books? And where are his books that have his name on them?
Again, keep in mind that the NT was not even documented on paper until 150 to 300 years after Jesus (depending on what Christian you talk to). So the dating is way too long for us to be assuming books to belong to certain people. Let alone considering their nonsense (contents) as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty.
The Book of Revelation is a very important, probably the most important Book in the Bible today, because it has prophecies in it of what Christians believe is for our future today, even though it has nothing to do with our current world. It talks about Jesus soon (1800 to 2000 years ago) will return (Revelation 22:7). I don't know how soon is 2000 years to the Bible. All the people that this book was told to had died.
It also talks about the great battle of Gog and Magog fighting the righteous; "and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth [The earth DOES NOT have four corners and no the earth is not a square or rectangle. It is round almost like an egg!!]--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. (From the NIV Bible, Revelation 20:8)"
The thing that we need to notice here beside the grave error about the shape of the earth in this false book (sorry to say that), is that the Gog and Magog existed before. Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 39:1), is the name of the leader and Magog is the name of his nation (Ezekiel 38 and 39). The Gog and Magog army had already been defeated and the Noble Qur'ân confirms their story. There had been historical discoveries that perfectly match the Noble Qur'ân's claims regarding the Gog and Magog, such as the discovery of the "Iron Gates", and other literature that mentions the Gog and Magog army and location. There is even historical documentation about them which matches the Noble Qur'ân in London, England.
Please visit The story of Gog and Magog and the Iron Gates in the Noble Quran and the Bible to see the references and proofs of these historical discoveries and several more.
The Bible says: The earth is flat! See all the verses in the Bible that claim the earth is flat.
It is a common Christian answer to say "We support Israel because it is God's promised land to the Jews, and He will prevail them against the army of Gog and Magog who seems to be mainly an Islamic army today." They mostly rely on the Book of Revelation from the Bible to support this claim.
The story of the Gog and Magog army attacking the Jews exists in both the Book of Ezekiel and the Book of Revelation in the Bible. The Book of Ezekiel which came literally thousands of years before the Book of Revelation predicted the attack and defeat of the army of Gog and Magog.
The Noble Qur'ân (The Muslims' Holy Scripture) talks about the army of Gog and Magog in details and explains the events that ALREADY took place. As I mentioned above, there had been historical discoveries that perfectly match the Noble Qur'ân's claims regarding the Gog and Magog, such as the discovery of the "Iron Gates", and other literature that mentions the Gog and Magog army and location.
Please visit The army of Gog and Magog and the Iron Gates in the Noble Quran and the Bible.
The lie (sorry to say that) of the Book of Revelation, however, also predicts the coming of the army of Gog and Magog. But as I said, the army of Gog and Magog were ALREADY predicted in the Bible thousands of years before the Book of Revelation.
So, the prediction in the Book of Revelation proves that the writer of the book, lacked a great deal of knowledge about history, because as I said, the event of the Gog and Magog battle (i.e., the battle of Armageddon) already happened!
The point is that the Book of Revelation, however, like most of the Bible today seems to be nothing but a big hoax (sorry to say that). It is very doubtful, but yet ironically, very important to the Christians of today.
Would you honestly deep inside yourself call nonsense of this kind the True Living Words of GOD Almighty, especially after knowing that very important early Christian resources thought "the book could not been written by the apostle of John"?
Please visit What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe in?
The Books of Paul:
Before we start on the analysis of Paul's Books, we must first know that Paul who's Books are believed to be inspired by GOD Almighty Himself and who is a disciple of Jesus peace be upon him never actually met Jesus in person. Jesus had 12 disciples when he was on earth. Paul was not one of them!. Paul much later after the disappearance of Jesus came and claimed that Jesus came to him and ordered him to be his disciple. Paul is really taken on faith only and not on proofs. He could be well be another smart deceiver who made his way into the world of the current corrupted Bible (sorry if I offended you).
Please visit: Famous Theologians and Historians believe that Paul was not truthful.
Christian Scholars refuting the status of the NT as an inspired scripture.
The Book of Romans:
"The writer of this letter was the apostle Paul (see 1:1). No voice from the early church was ever raised against his authorship. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1705)"
Ok, but notice how in this Book, we see the actual author himself, and in the ones above, we see nothing but conclusions. If GOD was the actual inspirer of all of these Books, then He wouldn't put us in the agony of making some conclusions to figure out His Words. Is GOD the author of confusion? Paul is also clear about his ownership of the Books of 1 Corinthians and 2 Corinthians.
But why must we take every single word that Paul spoke especially during his conversations with others as Words of GOD Almighty?!
Is Paul GOD Himself? No Christian believes in that. Paul fought with Saint Peter and accused him of being "clearly in the wrong" (Galatians: 2:11-12), and had a huge argument with Saint Barnabas (Acts 15:36-39).
Did GOD favor Paul over Barnabas and Peter and inspired him the words while he was fighting with them? I don't think so!.
Paul himself admitted before that he wasn't always inspired by GOD Almighty himself (1 Corinthians 7:25-30).
Source: Answering-Christianity
Introduction: We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption! GOD Almighty Said: "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!
See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.
The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted. The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.
Just who were the real authors of the Bible?
The quotes in green below are from the NIV Bible's commentary. Before each Book/Gospel, there are few pages explaining the history of it. I was shocked to see that most of today's Bible's Books and Gospels are doubtful and unreliable. I will start with the New Testament first, and then the Old Testament second. The bibliography of the NIV Bible that I used is listed at the end of this article.
After thoroughly reading this article, I would like you to answer the following questions:
1- Is all of the Bible GOD's Divine Revelations?
2- Did the Prophets of GOD really write the Bible of today?
3- Is the Bible perfect?
4- Did man indeed corrupt the Bible?
5- Is the Bible of today reliable?
If your answer is no to most of or all of the above questions except for #4, then allow me to say that your faith has serious problems!
You be the Judge: After all of the evidence provided in the article, should I as a non-Christian take the Bible as the word of GOD Almighty?
Exposing the New Testament's historical corruptions
The Gospel of Mark:
"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1488)"
So, in reality, we don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not. And since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus, then how are we to know for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro of Mark?
I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!
Further regarding this Gospel, we read the following commentary about Mark 16:9-20:
"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"
This quote raises a very serious issue here. First of all, as we've seen above in the first quote, we have no evidence that proves that John Mark was the sole author of this so called "Gospel". Second of all, we see that this Gospel has some serious problems/suspicions in it. The issue of Mark 16:9-20 is a scary one, because many Christian cults today use poisonous snakes in their worship and end up dying.
Removing Mark 16:9-20 is quite appreciated by me personally (to be quite honest with you), because it prevents people from dying from snake bites. But however, the serious issue of man's corruption of the Bible remains.
We can be absolutely certain now that the above quotes prove without a doubt that the Bible is doubtful. The quote "or its original ending has been lost" proves that what we call today "Gospels" were not written by their original authors such as Mark, John, Matthew, etc... It proves that the Gospel had been tampered with by man. Let alone considering it as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty.
If John Mark wasn't the one who wrote Mark 16:9-20, then who did? And how can you prove the ownership of the other person? Let alone proving that it was GOD Almighty's Revelation. And as we saw in the first quote above, we don't even know that John Mark was indeed the one who wrote the so called "Gospel of Mark".
To say the least in our case here, we now have enough evidence to discard the entire Gospel of Mark from the Bible, because you can't take bits and pieces of it and say some of it belongs to him and some of it doesn't! Let alone considering the entire corrupted Gospel as the True Living Word of GOD Almighty, which is a complete blasphemy.
Here is an email that I received from a Christian regarding Mark 16:17-18:
From: R. Mercer
To: [email protected]
Subject: I Totally Agree
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:41:57 -0700
"What credibility does Christianity have when it scriptures are littered with such dangerous and obvious forgeries?"
You summed it up very well on your web page. That is my question entirely. Just what are we to believe? If forgeries have been proven to exist in the Bible, then how many more must there be? What about the chapters and verses we all guide our whole life/styles by? Are they forgeries, too?
This verse in Mark 16:17-18, has always bothered me. I have, and still do believe the rest of that passage (laying on of hands, healing the sick,...), so how can that part of the passage be true when the serpent part is forged?
I know the part on drinking any poison says "IF", but the part on taking up serpents says "SHALL", which has always been a problem for me to believe. Imagine us all being forced to take up serpents in order to serve God.
On the other hand, if this was forged, then that creates an even bigger concern for me. Not knowing what text in our Bible is authentic and what is not.
Thanks for letting me take up so much of your time. Like I said
before, this passage always bothered me, probably more so than any other.
Thanks, once again. Good Day.
The Book of Acts:
"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"
So based on some conclusion, you're willing to die for defending the idea that the Book of Acts was the True Word of GOD Almighty? If the book was inspired by GOD Almighty, then how come it wasn't mentioned in the book itself to help us filter it out from the many other "Satanic false books"? Are we sure that this book too is not a man-made Satanic book?
After all, its just a conclusion, isn't it?
Beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering it as the True Living Word of GOD.
The Gospel of Luke:
"The author's name does not appear in the book, but much unmistakable evidence points to Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1529)"
Again, we don't know for sure whether it was Luke or not who wrote the "Gospel of Luke" since his name doesn't appear in the Book. The Gospel itself seems to be a compromising one to the Word of GOD. Let us look at the following:
"Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, (Luke 1:3)"
Few problems with this Gospel from the quote above:
1- The author was not inspired, and knew for sure that he was not inspired by GOD Almighty to write the Book since he didn't mention about any divine inspiration, and he said "...since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning..." Where do we see GOD's inspiration in this?
2- The author wrote it for the purpose of "his most excellent Theophilus." Since when we compromise GOD Almighty and document His Holy Words for the purpose of other higher (in rank) human beings?
I say it again, I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!
Also, beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering as the True Living Word of GOD.
Further from brother Vipor Poison; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
Luke 1:3
Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
The following is from the Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://newadvent.org/cathen/14625b.htm
http://newadvent.org/cathen/14625a.htm
If Theophilus existed in either the 2nd or the 4th centuries then how could the writer of this gospel be the same Luke who is supposed to be with Jesus in the 1st century. Maybe he lived to about 200 years..
The Book of Hebrews:
"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"
So because the guy was supposedly "well known (which we don't really know that for sure anyway)", then would that give us the right to consider his words as the Words of GOD Almighty?! I am sorry, but I don't really see the logic behind this! The Book of Hebrews is one of the highly used Books among Christians. I hear references from it a lot when listening to Christians preaching. Yet, no one really knows who wrote it!. This is quite ironic, because Christians use such highly doubtful books in their teachings as if they were the True Living Words of GOD Almighty. I don't care what you call this, but I call it blasphemy, because it is the most ridiculous insult to GOD Almighty and His Holy Words that I have ever seen.
I just hope you see the real cheap quality in the religion of Christianity, with all my respect due to every Christian reader.
The Gospel of John:
"The author is the apostle John, 'the disciple whom Jesus loved' (13:23; 19:26; 20:2; 21:7, 20,24). He was prominent in the early church but is not mentioned by name in this Gospel-- which would be natural if he wrote it, but hard to explain otherwise. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1588)"
They claimed that it was John who wrote the Gospel, but yet, his name was not signed on his Gospel! How is it possible for us to be absolutely sure that it was indeed John who wrote the so called "Gospel of John" when "his name is not mentioned in this Gospel" so we can then take it as a 100% True Error-free Word of GOD Almighty?
The Gospel of 1 John:
"....Unlike most NT letters, 1 John does not tell us who its author is. The earliest identification of him comes from the church fathers...(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1904)"
"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"
This is really ironic! with all respect due to Christians. If the Book's author is not for sure known, then why assume that it was Saint John who wrote it?
Please visit The lie of 1 John 5:7. This verse was later discovered to be a Satanic lie. The Roman Catholic Theologians don't believe in it, and it doesn't exist in their Bibles.
The same case where no author is really known exists in the Gospels of 2 and 3 John.
The Book of Revelation:
"Four times the author identifies himself as John (1:1,4,9; 22:8).....In the third century, however, an African bishop named Dionysius compared the language, style and thought of the Apocalypse (Revelation) with that of the other writings of John and decided that the book could not been written by the apostle of John. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1922)"
Again, we don't know who wrote the Book of Revelation. It is certainly highly doubtful that it was written by Apostle John. The Theologians and Historians of the NIV Bible seem to agree with the invalidity of this book from the above quote. So are you now going to consider the other John's words as the Words and Inspirations of GOD Almighty?
Notice that in the sections of "Gospel of John" and "Gospels of 1, 2 & 3 John" above, the author did not identify himself and it was ASSUMED without actual proofs that it was Saint John who wrote them. Notice how they said that if he were to identify himself, then it would be hard for them to explain it.
Now, notice the author in the Book of Revelation does identify himself as John, but he has a complete different language and style of writing from the other books, which created much uncertainty about its validity in the Church.
My questions here are: Who wrote the Books? And is or is not Saint John supposed to identify himself in his books? And where are his books that have his name on them?
Again, keep in mind that the NT was not even documented on paper until 150 to 300 years after Jesus (depending on what Christian you talk to). So the dating is way too long for us to be assuming books to belong to certain people. Let alone considering their nonsense (contents) as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty.
The Book of Revelation is a very important, probably the most important Book in the Bible today, because it has prophecies in it of what Christians believe is for our future today, even though it has nothing to do with our current world. It talks about Jesus soon (1800 to 2000 years ago) will return (Revelation 22:7). I don't know how soon is 2000 years to the Bible. All the people that this book was told to had died.
It also talks about the great battle of Gog and Magog fighting the righteous; "and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth [The earth DOES NOT have four corners and no the earth is not a square or rectangle. It is round almost like an egg!!]--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. (From the NIV Bible, Revelation 20:8)"
The thing that we need to notice here beside the grave error about the shape of the earth in this false book (sorry to say that), is that the Gog and Magog existed before. Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 39:1), is the name of the leader and Magog is the name of his nation (Ezekiel 38 and 39). The Gog and Magog army had already been defeated and the Noble Qur'ân confirms their story. There had been historical discoveries that perfectly match the Noble Qur'ân's claims regarding the Gog and Magog, such as the discovery of the "Iron Gates", and other literature that mentions the Gog and Magog army and location. There is even historical documentation about them which matches the Noble Qur'ân in London, England.
Please visit The story of Gog and Magog and the Iron Gates in the Noble Quran and the Bible to see the references and proofs of these historical discoveries and several more.
The Bible says: The earth is flat! See all the verses in the Bible that claim the earth is flat.
It is a common Christian answer to say "We support Israel because it is God's promised land to the Jews, and He will prevail them against the army of Gog and Magog who seems to be mainly an Islamic army today." They mostly rely on the Book of Revelation from the Bible to support this claim.
The story of the Gog and Magog army attacking the Jews exists in both the Book of Ezekiel and the Book of Revelation in the Bible. The Book of Ezekiel which came literally thousands of years before the Book of Revelation predicted the attack and defeat of the army of Gog and Magog.
The Noble Qur'ân (The Muslims' Holy Scripture) talks about the army of Gog and Magog in details and explains the events that ALREADY took place. As I mentioned above, there had been historical discoveries that perfectly match the Noble Qur'ân's claims regarding the Gog and Magog, such as the discovery of the "Iron Gates", and other literature that mentions the Gog and Magog army and location.
Please visit The army of Gog and Magog and the Iron Gates in the Noble Quran and the Bible.
The lie (sorry to say that) of the Book of Revelation, however, also predicts the coming of the army of Gog and Magog. But as I said, the army of Gog and Magog were ALREADY predicted in the Bible thousands of years before the Book of Revelation.
So, the prediction in the Book of Revelation proves that the writer of the book, lacked a great deal of knowledge about history, because as I said, the event of the Gog and Magog battle (i.e., the battle of Armageddon) already happened!
The point is that the Book of Revelation, however, like most of the Bible today seems to be nothing but a big hoax (sorry to say that). It is very doubtful, but yet ironically, very important to the Christians of today.
Would you honestly deep inside yourself call nonsense of this kind the True Living Words of GOD Almighty, especially after knowing that very important early Christian resources thought "the book could not been written by the apostle of John"?
Please visit What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe in?
The Books of Paul:
Before we start on the analysis of Paul's Books, we must first know that Paul who's Books are believed to be inspired by GOD Almighty Himself and who is a disciple of Jesus peace be upon him never actually met Jesus in person. Jesus had 12 disciples when he was on earth. Paul was not one of them!. Paul much later after the disappearance of Jesus came and claimed that Jesus came to him and ordered him to be his disciple. Paul is really taken on faith only and not on proofs. He could be well be another smart deceiver who made his way into the world of the current corrupted Bible (sorry if I offended you).
Please visit: Famous Theologians and Historians believe that Paul was not truthful.
Christian Scholars refuting the status of the NT as an inspired scripture.
The Book of Romans:
"The writer of this letter was the apostle Paul (see 1:1). No voice from the early church was ever raised against his authorship. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1705)"
Ok, but notice how in this Book, we see the actual author himself, and in the ones above, we see nothing but conclusions. If GOD was the actual inspirer of all of these Books, then He wouldn't put us in the agony of making some conclusions to figure out His Words. Is GOD the author of confusion? Paul is also clear about his ownership of the Books of 1 Corinthians and 2 Corinthians.
But why must we take every single word that Paul spoke especially during his conversations with others as Words of GOD Almighty?!
Is Paul GOD Himself? No Christian believes in that. Paul fought with Saint Peter and accused him of being "clearly in the wrong" (Galatians: 2:11-12), and had a huge argument with Saint Barnabas (Acts 15:36-39).
Did GOD favor Paul over Barnabas and Peter and inspired him the words while he was fighting with them? I don't think so!.
Paul himself admitted before that he wasn't always inspired by GOD Almighty himself (1 Corinthians 7:25-30).
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And since Paul never met Jesus in person, and only claimed that Jesus came to him in person then there is always the possibility of him being untruthful. Since Paul never performed any miracles to help us believe his claim of Prophet hood, then his claim about him being GOD's apostle is just as good as me for instance claiming to be GOD's apostle.
Benny Hyne, one of today's famous Christian missionaries who have millions of fans world wide, claims and shows on TV how he could cure the paralyzed and makes him walk again. He claims that Jesus is inside him when he performs his so-called miracles. Why can't it be a bunch of liars that he paid and brought on TV, pretend to act paralyzed and pretend to act healed?
Paul could just as well be another Benny Hyne, except that Benny Hyne performed miracles (that are fake of course), but Paul never performed anything.
I hope you see how confusing the Bible really is. Its books are believed today from conclusions only as you've seen above, and it is only to be believed by blind faith. Blind faith is not the way to believe in GOD Almighty's Words, because GOD is not the author of confusion.
Please visit: Famous Theologians and Historians believe that Paul was not truthful.
Christian Scholars refuting the status of the NT as an inspired scripture.
What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe in?
The Book of Philippians:
"The early church was unanimous in its testimony that Philippians was written by the apostle Paul (see 1:1). Internally the letter reveals the stamp of genuineness. The many personal references of the author fit what we know of Paul from other NT books. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1803)"
Again, it was assumed that this book was written by Paul himself. No one knows for sure whether it was Paul or somebody else. The New Testament wasn't even documented until 150-300 years after the disappearance of Jesus peace be upon him. If we're going to assume that Books that look appealing to us as the True Word of GOD Almighty, then we are committing a great crime against GOD Almighty and His Holy Words. No where in this Book we see a statement saying that it was inspired by GOD Almighty Himself.
The Book of Colossians:
"That Colossians is a genuine letter Paul is not usually disputed. In the early church, all who speak on the subject of authorship ascribe it to Paul. In the 19th century, however, some thought that the heresy refuted in ch. 2 was second-century Gnosticism. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1813)"
Again, it was assumed that Paul was the one who wrote the Book. But again, who's to say that it was inspired by GOD Almighty Himself?
The Books of 1 and 2 Thessalonians:
"Paul's authorship of 2 Thessalonians has been questioned more often than that of 1 Thessalonians, in spite of the fact that it has more support from early Christian writers. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1829)"
So basically we're not certain whether or not Paul wrote the Book. And even if Paul was the one who wrote it, we still don't know whether it was the True Words of GOD Almighty or not, because no where in the Book we see any indication that it was inspired by the Almighty GOD.
Exposing the Old Testament's historical corruptions
As we see in the introduction above in Jeremiah 8:8, the entire Bible is doubtful and full of man-made lies that were inserted into it through the scribes and other means of alterations. The Bible is obviously a corrupted book!
The Book of Genesis:
"Historically, Jews and Christians alike have held that Moses was the author/compiler of the first five books of the OT. These books, known also as the Pentateuch (meaning "five-volumed book"), were referred to in Jewish tradition as the five fifths of the law (of Moses). The Bible itself suggests Mosaic authorship of Genesis, since Ac 15:1 refers to circumcision as "the custom taught by Moses," an allusion of Ge 17. However, a certain amount of later editorial updating does appear to be indicated (see, e.g., notes on 14:14; 36:31; 47:11). (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 2)"
So in reality, the book of Genesis had been tampered with by man. It had been corrupted. It is dangerous to consider all of it as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty, because by doing so, we are running into the risk of committing a crime against Him since we are claiming that He spoke words that He never spoke.
The Book of Numbers:
"It is not necessary, however, to claim that Numbers came from Moses' hand complete and in final form. Portions of the book were probably added by scribes or editors from later periods of Israel's history. For example, the protestation of the humility of Moses (12:3) would hardly be convincing if it came from his own mouth. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 183)"
So in reality, we don't know who were all the authors who wrote the book of Numbers. How is it possible then to call the book of Numbers the True Living Revelations of GOD Almighty if the book had been tampered with by the man-made laws of the scribes?
As you clearly saw in Jeremiah 8:8 in the introduction above, GOD Almighty condemned the laws of the scribes and accused them for turning the Bible into a lie.
The book of Deuteronomy:
"The book itself testifies that, for the most part, Moses wrote it (1:5; 31:9,22,24), and other OT books agree (1Ki 2:3, 8:53; 2ki 14:6; 18:12)--though the preamble (1:1-5) may have been written by someone else, and the report of Moses' death (ch.34) was almost certainly written by someone else. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 240)"
As we clearly see, there is ample evidence that proves beyond the shadow of the doubt that Moses was not the sole author of the book. He couldn't have possibly have written about his own death. Again, another corrupted book by man in the Bible. How can you claim that the book of Deuteronomy was indeed all revealed by GOD Almighty? If you're not sure, and you still insist on your claim, then you are committing a crime against GOD Almighty's Revelations.
The book of Joshua:
"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"
Again, another book whom we don't know who in the world wrote it. Yet, Jews and Christians consider this nonsense as a Revelation from GOD Almighty.
The book of Judges:
"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain."
"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy." (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322).
Another book with many doubts had been inserted into the Bible. How much more evidence do you need to be convinced that the Bible is corrupted, or to say the least, not a perfect book?
The book of Ruth:
"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"
Same as above.
The books of 1 and 2 Samuel:
"Many questions have arisen pertaining to the literary character, authorship and date of 1,2 Samuel."
"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity." (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368).
Again, unknown books with unknown authors had been inserted into the Bible and are now considered GOD's Revelations. What a joke! Since when do we consider man-made stories and narrations as GOD's Revelations?
The books of 1 and 2 Kings:
"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings."
"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy." (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459).
Again, another unknown books with unknown authors had corrupted the Bible.
The books of 1 and 2 Chronicles:
"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"
Again, another doubtful nonsense had been considered to be GOD's Revelations.
The book of Esther:
"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"
Same as above.
The book of Job:
"Although most of the book consists of the words of Job and his counselors, Job himself was not the author."
"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources...." (From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722).
Ironically, the book is named as "The book of Job", but yet, Job was not the author, and no one in this world knows who wrote the book. Today, it is considered GOD's Revelations.
It's quite pathetic to consider unknown people as GOD's Messengers and attribute their work to GOD's real Messengers.
It's obvious that like most of the Bible's book and gospels, the Book of Job had been lost.
The book of Proverbs:
"Although the book begins with a title ascribing the proverbs to Solomon, it is clear from later chapters that he was not the only author of the book. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 935)"
Can anyone please tell me who that other author was? And did GOD Almighty spoke those words through his tongue?
These are fair questions, aren't they?
The book of Ecclesiastes:
"No time period or writer's name is mentioned in the book, but several passages strongly suggest that King Solomon is the authors. On the other hand, the writer's title, his unique style of Hebrew and his attitude toward rulers may point to another person and a later period. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 988)"
Was it or was it not Solomon who wrote this book? If you say it was Solomon, then how can you prove it?
And by the way, was this book a revelation to Solomon, or just Solomon's own personal writings, if it were Solomon's book from the first place?
Did you know that the number of chapters in this book are more in the Roman Catholic Bibles? Please compare the number of chapters of the book of Ecclesiastes in the NIV Bible to the number of chapters in the Roman Catholic New Jerusalem Bible.
Let us look at this verse from this book: "....and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss. (From the New Jerusalem Bible, Ecclesiasticus 22:3)" Since when does GOD give stupid generalizing statements for ALL the members of a certain group of His creation?
Obviously, one of those bibles has to be wrong. Or should I say both?!
The book of Song of Songs:
"Verse 1 appears to ascribe authorship to Solomon. Solomon is referred to seven times, and several verses speak of the 'king', but whether he was the author remains an open question. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 997)"
Again, we don't know who wrote the book. Please visit X-Rated Pornography in the Bible regarding this pornful and sick book.
The book of Lamentations:
"Although Lamentations is anonymous and we cannot be certain who wrote it, ancient Jewish and Christian tradition ascribes it to Jeremiah. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1207)"
What a joke! Christians and Jews point the book to Jeremiah without any certainty to who wrote the book. How is it possible for us to consider this book as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty?
Christians and Jews have yet to find and prove the original author of the book and all of the books mentioned above, and then prove that they were indeed Revelations from GOD Almighty.
Failure to accomplish the two tasks and inserting this type of nonsense into the Bible and claiming that it was the Words of GOD Almighty is A CRIME AGAINST GOD!
Embrace Islam, the religion of The One True Living Undivided GOD Almighty, and you will be saved! Please visit What is the Wisdom of Islam?
So who wrote the Bible then? Were they really the original Prophets and Disciples?
This section is an article and a small chapter of a book that was forwarded to me. I thought it would be very good to add it to this article.
So, who then are the authors of the books of the Bible? Obviously the Church must know them very well since they are popularly believed to have received divine inspiration from God Himself. Right? Actually, they don't. For example, we will note that every Gospel begins with the introduction "According to....." such as "The Gospel according to Saint Matthew," "The Gospel according to Saint Luke," "The Gospel according to Saint Mark," "The Gospel according to Saint John." The obvious conclusion for the average man on the street is that these people are known to be the authors of the books attributed to them. This, however is not the case. Why? Because not one of the vaunted four thousand copies existent carries its author's signature. It has just been assumed that certain people were the authors. Recent discoveries, however, refute this belief. Even the internal evidence suggests that, for instance, Matthew did not write the Gospel attributed to him:
"...And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (Jesus) saith unto HIM (Matthew), follow ME (Jesus) and HE (Matthew) arose, and followed HIM (Jesus). (Matthew 9:9)"
Did "Matthew" write this about himself? Why then didn't Matthew write for example: "he (Jesus) saw ME, and my name is Matthew. I was sitting at the receipt of custom
Benny Hyne, one of today's famous Christian missionaries who have millions of fans world wide, claims and shows on TV how he could cure the paralyzed and makes him walk again. He claims that Jesus is inside him when he performs his so-called miracles. Why can't it be a bunch of liars that he paid and brought on TV, pretend to act paralyzed and pretend to act healed?
Paul could just as well be another Benny Hyne, except that Benny Hyne performed miracles (that are fake of course), but Paul never performed anything.
I hope you see how confusing the Bible really is. Its books are believed today from conclusions only as you've seen above, and it is only to be believed by blind faith. Blind faith is not the way to believe in GOD Almighty's Words, because GOD is not the author of confusion.
Please visit: Famous Theologians and Historians believe that Paul was not truthful.
Christian Scholars refuting the status of the NT as an inspired scripture.
What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe in?
The Book of Philippians:
"The early church was unanimous in its testimony that Philippians was written by the apostle Paul (see 1:1). Internally the letter reveals the stamp of genuineness. The many personal references of the author fit what we know of Paul from other NT books. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1803)"
Again, it was assumed that this book was written by Paul himself. No one knows for sure whether it was Paul or somebody else. The New Testament wasn't even documented until 150-300 years after the disappearance of Jesus peace be upon him. If we're going to assume that Books that look appealing to us as the True Word of GOD Almighty, then we are committing a great crime against GOD Almighty and His Holy Words. No where in this Book we see a statement saying that it was inspired by GOD Almighty Himself.
The Book of Colossians:
"That Colossians is a genuine letter Paul is not usually disputed. In the early church, all who speak on the subject of authorship ascribe it to Paul. In the 19th century, however, some thought that the heresy refuted in ch. 2 was second-century Gnosticism. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1813)"
Again, it was assumed that Paul was the one who wrote the Book. But again, who's to say that it was inspired by GOD Almighty Himself?
The Books of 1 and 2 Thessalonians:
"Paul's authorship of 2 Thessalonians has been questioned more often than that of 1 Thessalonians, in spite of the fact that it has more support from early Christian writers. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1829)"
So basically we're not certain whether or not Paul wrote the Book. And even if Paul was the one who wrote it, we still don't know whether it was the True Words of GOD Almighty or not, because no where in the Book we see any indication that it was inspired by the Almighty GOD.
Exposing the Old Testament's historical corruptions
As we see in the introduction above in Jeremiah 8:8, the entire Bible is doubtful and full of man-made lies that were inserted into it through the scribes and other means of alterations. The Bible is obviously a corrupted book!
The Book of Genesis:
"Historically, Jews and Christians alike have held that Moses was the author/compiler of the first five books of the OT. These books, known also as the Pentateuch (meaning "five-volumed book"), were referred to in Jewish tradition as the five fifths of the law (of Moses). The Bible itself suggests Mosaic authorship of Genesis, since Ac 15:1 refers to circumcision as "the custom taught by Moses," an allusion of Ge 17. However, a certain amount of later editorial updating does appear to be indicated (see, e.g., notes on 14:14; 36:31; 47:11). (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 2)"
So in reality, the book of Genesis had been tampered with by man. It had been corrupted. It is dangerous to consider all of it as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty, because by doing so, we are running into the risk of committing a crime against Him since we are claiming that He spoke words that He never spoke.
The Book of Numbers:
"It is not necessary, however, to claim that Numbers came from Moses' hand complete and in final form. Portions of the book were probably added by scribes or editors from later periods of Israel's history. For example, the protestation of the humility of Moses (12:3) would hardly be convincing if it came from his own mouth. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 183)"
So in reality, we don't know who were all the authors who wrote the book of Numbers. How is it possible then to call the book of Numbers the True Living Revelations of GOD Almighty if the book had been tampered with by the man-made laws of the scribes?
As you clearly saw in Jeremiah 8:8 in the introduction above, GOD Almighty condemned the laws of the scribes and accused them for turning the Bible into a lie.
The book of Deuteronomy:
"The book itself testifies that, for the most part, Moses wrote it (1:5; 31:9,22,24), and other OT books agree (1Ki 2:3, 8:53; 2ki 14:6; 18:12)--though the preamble (1:1-5) may have been written by someone else, and the report of Moses' death (ch.34) was almost certainly written by someone else. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 240)"
As we clearly see, there is ample evidence that proves beyond the shadow of the doubt that Moses was not the sole author of the book. He couldn't have possibly have written about his own death. Again, another corrupted book by man in the Bible. How can you claim that the book of Deuteronomy was indeed all revealed by GOD Almighty? If you're not sure, and you still insist on your claim, then you are committing a crime against GOD Almighty's Revelations.
The book of Joshua:
"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"
Again, another book whom we don't know who in the world wrote it. Yet, Jews and Christians consider this nonsense as a Revelation from GOD Almighty.
The book of Judges:
"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain."
"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy." (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322).
Another book with many doubts had been inserted into the Bible. How much more evidence do you need to be convinced that the Bible is corrupted, or to say the least, not a perfect book?
The book of Ruth:
"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"
Same as above.
The books of 1 and 2 Samuel:
"Many questions have arisen pertaining to the literary character, authorship and date of 1,2 Samuel."
"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity." (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368).
Again, unknown books with unknown authors had been inserted into the Bible and are now considered GOD's Revelations. What a joke! Since when do we consider man-made stories and narrations as GOD's Revelations?
The books of 1 and 2 Kings:
"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings."
"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy." (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459).
Again, another unknown books with unknown authors had corrupted the Bible.
The books of 1 and 2 Chronicles:
"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"
Again, another doubtful nonsense had been considered to be GOD's Revelations.
The book of Esther:
"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"
Same as above.
The book of Job:
"Although most of the book consists of the words of Job and his counselors, Job himself was not the author."
"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources...." (From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722).
Ironically, the book is named as "The book of Job", but yet, Job was not the author, and no one in this world knows who wrote the book. Today, it is considered GOD's Revelations.
It's quite pathetic to consider unknown people as GOD's Messengers and attribute their work to GOD's real Messengers.
It's obvious that like most of the Bible's book and gospels, the Book of Job had been lost.
The book of Proverbs:
"Although the book begins with a title ascribing the proverbs to Solomon, it is clear from later chapters that he was not the only author of the book. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 935)"
Can anyone please tell me who that other author was? And did GOD Almighty spoke those words through his tongue?
These are fair questions, aren't they?
The book of Ecclesiastes:
"No time period or writer's name is mentioned in the book, but several passages strongly suggest that King Solomon is the authors. On the other hand, the writer's title, his unique style of Hebrew and his attitude toward rulers may point to another person and a later period. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 988)"
Was it or was it not Solomon who wrote this book? If you say it was Solomon, then how can you prove it?
And by the way, was this book a revelation to Solomon, or just Solomon's own personal writings, if it were Solomon's book from the first place?
Did you know that the number of chapters in this book are more in the Roman Catholic Bibles? Please compare the number of chapters of the book of Ecclesiastes in the NIV Bible to the number of chapters in the Roman Catholic New Jerusalem Bible.
Let us look at this verse from this book: "....and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss. (From the New Jerusalem Bible, Ecclesiasticus 22:3)" Since when does GOD give stupid generalizing statements for ALL the members of a certain group of His creation?
Obviously, one of those bibles has to be wrong. Or should I say both?!
The book of Song of Songs:
"Verse 1 appears to ascribe authorship to Solomon. Solomon is referred to seven times, and several verses speak of the 'king', but whether he was the author remains an open question. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 997)"
Again, we don't know who wrote the book. Please visit X-Rated Pornography in the Bible regarding this pornful and sick book.
The book of Lamentations:
"Although Lamentations is anonymous and we cannot be certain who wrote it, ancient Jewish and Christian tradition ascribes it to Jeremiah. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1207)"
What a joke! Christians and Jews point the book to Jeremiah without any certainty to who wrote the book. How is it possible for us to consider this book as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty?
Christians and Jews have yet to find and prove the original author of the book and all of the books mentioned above, and then prove that they were indeed Revelations from GOD Almighty.
Failure to accomplish the two tasks and inserting this type of nonsense into the Bible and claiming that it was the Words of GOD Almighty is A CRIME AGAINST GOD!
Embrace Islam, the religion of The One True Living Undivided GOD Almighty, and you will be saved! Please visit What is the Wisdom of Islam?
So who wrote the Bible then? Were they really the original Prophets and Disciples?
This section is an article and a small chapter of a book that was forwarded to me. I thought it would be very good to add it to this article.
So, who then are the authors of the books of the Bible? Obviously the Church must know them very well since they are popularly believed to have received divine inspiration from God Himself. Right? Actually, they don't. For example, we will note that every Gospel begins with the introduction "According to....." such as "The Gospel according to Saint Matthew," "The Gospel according to Saint Luke," "The Gospel according to Saint Mark," "The Gospel according to Saint John." The obvious conclusion for the average man on the street is that these people are known to be the authors of the books attributed to them. This, however is not the case. Why? Because not one of the vaunted four thousand copies existent carries its author's signature. It has just been assumed that certain people were the authors. Recent discoveries, however, refute this belief. Even the internal evidence suggests that, for instance, Matthew did not write the Gospel attributed to him:
"...And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (Jesus) saith unto HIM (Matthew), follow ME (Jesus) and HE (Matthew) arose, and followed HIM (Jesus). (Matthew 9:9)"
Did "Matthew" write this about himself? Why then didn't Matthew write for example: "he (Jesus) saw ME, and my name is Matthew. I was sitting at the receipt of custom
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well i always looked and asked my self always prayed god to guide to teh truth D juss one last thing D when u say allah it s juss arabic translation of the word god also muhammed peace be upon siad we dont go heavn only by the mercy of god even him its liek big gift and also said every montheist ll go heavn " real monethesit with no corruption" and u r example of ismahel peac be upon u r confusin D arabs with muslims tehe s arab christian and jews even now days yemen jews christian in syrya lebanon iraq an dtehy nt new coverst and most of muslims r nt arab look at me i am white i have blue eys ! an di am muslim and i aint a new convert ! u should get that U d the creator of teh 3 ad lol thank you for u r good words it s reallt warms my heart i do respect u r faith too D thanks for u r prayer ! also i have last question is that allowed for mr to take 3 AD as muslim ! ll u mind it !:toofunny: take care
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You avowed Christians are more tolerant than this Heathen is, me.
Nassem,
I'd like to follow your train of thought, but the triple slap of no capitalization, atrocious spelling and the virtual absence of pronunciation is making my eyeballs ache.
IMO, it's inappropriately anal to criticize the occasional slip, but this is a bloody prisongang analrape of the language, ouch.
Nassem,
I'd like to follow your train of thought, but the triple slap of no capitalization, atrocious spelling and the virtual absence of pronunciation is making my eyeballs ache.
IMO, it's inappropriately anal to criticize the occasional slip, but this is a bloody prisongang analrape of the language, ouch.
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YOUR RIGHT I DIDNT CARE ABOUT PRONOUCIATION AND SPELLING I ADMIT IT SINCE I AM USED TO TYPE LIKE THAT ON INTERNET SO MY APLOGIES SIR! but just keep in mind pls that ENGLISH is only the last language i learnt it s not my mother tongue so i dont really have the language tools to express my self i could do that far better with french also most o f the english that i learnt is from those days when i use to listen to gangsta rap so i kept sum infulance i guess! i even dont leve in engish talk country so again EXUSE ME SIR " and i ams erious no sarcasm"
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wow these are some long posts. good thing im not reading of them!
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:toofunny: first time I've heard of the English language getting raped in the a$$ prison style like a scene from American Me or American History X LOL.
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These arguments are always hilarious to me.
So much of these different biblical texts are subject to extreme differences in interpretation, which causes a huge problem and simply means that what one person sees as true will be seen as false by another person and there will be no resolution.
And, then we get into well, if X is doing this now its not so bad because Y did it then. That's just BS thinking.
It all comes down to these few things IMHO:
- Not what is written or what is meant, but what is DONE is important and is what we should be paying attention to; actions speak louder than words.
- I'm no Christian, but anytime someone brings up Christianity as we knew it in the dark ages and compares it to modern day Islam it just makes me sick. What the majority of Christians did in the past is in no way representative of what they do in the present and therefore the comparison is totally irrelevant when comparing the two religions as they exist "today".
- Statistics. Its all about probability. Regardless of the fact that there will inevitably be a huge degree of variation within any given population, if the statistics point somewhere we damn well better pay attention. The sad fact is that there is a distinct problem with Muslims with respect to their ability to assimilate into any modern society that is non-Islamic. And, what is disgusting is that its completely overlooked that the MORE progressive a society is with their assimilation policies (i.e. no need to assimilate, celebrate your culture crap) the larger the degree of isolation of the Islamic community (and other communities for that matter). Look at France and Germany. Even here in the US there is a disturbingly high number of Islamic US citizens who believe that suicide bombings of innocent non-combatant Israelis is justified.
Generalization is a fact of life. It needs to be done. If we didn't generalize things our technological and societal advances would be greatly hindered.
That being said, judge each person according to their actions. A generalization can be made about a population, but not about an individual. Sorry, its a pet-peeve of mine. Its a simple fact of life. We have "average heights", "average weights", "unemployment rates", etc, etc, etc because of generalizations. All a generalization is another way of expressing probability.
E.G. The statement: "American men are usually about 5'9"" means that if you met an American man there is a high probability of him being about 5'9" tall. Its a fact. This model of generalization applies to EVERYTHING.
I could say that a molecular oxygen at room temperature is usually moving at a speed of about 300m/s. That's true, but there going to be some moving at 2 and other moving at 1000. Just because there is variation doesn't mean a generalization isn't true.
And frankly, its disturbing to know that of all of the Western societies the US has the MOST moderate Muslims, yet over 25% of them under the age of 30 condone suicide bombings of civilians under certain circumstances. This means that out of every 4 Muslims under 30 you meet, that there is a distinct probability that he wouldn't tell you if you and your loved ones were about to be blown the hell up. No, that definitely not "all" muslims by any means. That leaves 75% of them under the age of 30 reasonable, and 87% of them total, but its still scary and it shouldn't be ignored. Action of some sort needs to be taken.
Moral of my story, and what is MHO, although I have no problem whatsoever with any person based solely off of race, religion, etc, etc, I think its fair to say that there is an issue and that is that modern day Islam "in general" doesn't mix with our western culture and is even dangerous to it. Who is right and wrong is 100% subjective and that's something I don't care about. I care about preserving what I have, what I believe in, etc. In order for anybody to protect what they believe in and what they care for they can't allow a danger to proliferate. Tolerance and political correctness are not the answer to this problem because they prohibit one from identifying the problem. You can argue with probability, and if you ignore it you're a fool.
So much of these different biblical texts are subject to extreme differences in interpretation, which causes a huge problem and simply means that what one person sees as true will be seen as false by another person and there will be no resolution.
And, then we get into well, if X is doing this now its not so bad because Y did it then. That's just BS thinking.
It all comes down to these few things IMHO:
- Not what is written or what is meant, but what is DONE is important and is what we should be paying attention to; actions speak louder than words.
- I'm no Christian, but anytime someone brings up Christianity as we knew it in the dark ages and compares it to modern day Islam it just makes me sick. What the majority of Christians did in the past is in no way representative of what they do in the present and therefore the comparison is totally irrelevant when comparing the two religions as they exist "today".
- Statistics. Its all about probability. Regardless of the fact that there will inevitably be a huge degree of variation within any given population, if the statistics point somewhere we damn well better pay attention. The sad fact is that there is a distinct problem with Muslims with respect to their ability to assimilate into any modern society that is non-Islamic. And, what is disgusting is that its completely overlooked that the MORE progressive a society is with their assimilation policies (i.e. no need to assimilate, celebrate your culture crap) the larger the degree of isolation of the Islamic community (and other communities for that matter). Look at France and Germany. Even here in the US there is a disturbingly high number of Islamic US citizens who believe that suicide bombings of innocent non-combatant Israelis is justified.
Generalization is a fact of life. It needs to be done. If we didn't generalize things our technological and societal advances would be greatly hindered.
That being said, judge each person according to their actions. A generalization can be made about a population, but not about an individual. Sorry, its a pet-peeve of mine. Its a simple fact of life. We have "average heights", "average weights", "unemployment rates", etc, etc, etc because of generalizations. All a generalization is another way of expressing probability.
E.G. The statement: "American men are usually about 5'9"" means that if you met an American man there is a high probability of him being about 5'9" tall. Its a fact. This model of generalization applies to EVERYTHING.
I could say that a molecular oxygen at room temperature is usually moving at a speed of about 300m/s. That's true, but there going to be some moving at 2 and other moving at 1000. Just because there is variation doesn't mean a generalization isn't true.
And frankly, its disturbing to know that of all of the Western societies the US has the MOST moderate Muslims, yet over 25% of them under the age of 30 condone suicide bombings of civilians under certain circumstances. This means that out of every 4 Muslims under 30 you meet, that there is a distinct probability that he wouldn't tell you if you and your loved ones were about to be blown the hell up. No, that definitely not "all" muslims by any means. That leaves 75% of them under the age of 30 reasonable, and 87% of them total, but its still scary and it shouldn't be ignored. Action of some sort needs to be taken.
Moral of my story, and what is MHO, although I have no problem whatsoever with any person based solely off of race, religion, etc, etc, I think its fair to say that there is an issue and that is that modern day Islam "in general" doesn't mix with our western culture and is even dangerous to it. Who is right and wrong is 100% subjective and that's something I don't care about. I care about preserving what I have, what I believe in, etc. In order for anybody to protect what they believe in and what they care for they can't allow a danger to proliferate. Tolerance and political correctness are not the answer to this problem because they prohibit one from identifying the problem. You can argue with probability, and if you ignore it you're a fool.
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If you learned most of English you learned was from "gangsta rap", I'm in absolute awe because you speak better English than most of the gangstas do.
No worries though. IMO, your spelling isn't what needs the most help. Just learn a little more about punctuation and you'll be communicating yourself very well for it being a recently learned language.
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lol; thanks imagine that at 1st i started leanr english at shcool but it doesnt help much ! since its like one couse a week tahn started to check with tupac lyrics lol it was like 5 years ago ! english is my 3rd language after arabic and french !
for what u said about the sucide bombing and american musllims i guarantee you ithat most of them dont have knolwledge about islam since in islam it s really major sin if you kill an inocent ppl ho isnt fightin you ! and sucide is major sin too a koran verse state that explicitly and tehre only one unique version of koran ! so those ppl r more with their inner ways far from knowledge and they c may be the innocent muslims civilians on tv who get murdered like every day so they feel hate but they really have to free themselves from hate in order get the mind clear if u got me!
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I got ya man, I can see that point for sure. But, whether or not they are truly in touch with Islam is irrelevant because they believe they are.
Anyway, you're a good guy...even if you learned english from Tupac :lol:
Anyway, you're a good guy...even if you learned english from Tupac :lol:
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hey! Tupac was a wise man! very good flow with all his lyrics.
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Excellent response. I agree but I didn't know how to write it that good :goodpost:
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That is the bottom line isn't it. But as we all saw on 911, it takes far less that 13-25% to cause a major disruption. It takes less than a fraction of a fraction of 1% to cause significant destruction.
What if a biological excursion was initiated on the coasts, say the LA and NY airports, and a half dozen suitcase nukes were strategically detonated in major cities in the US simultaneously? Tourism would be immediately and irreparably destroyed. Who want to fly to the US with some funky virus floating around killing everybody? Export of goods would be immediately and permanently crippled. Who wants to buy radioactive food and goods? The economy would be kicked in the nuts hard and super-deflation would ensue with a hard crash in the market.
Just as you say, we can be polite and politically correct, but we do so at our own great peril and folly. There can be no diplomacy when even 1% of a group or nation has vowed to destroy you as soon as they get the chance! By US support of Israel, for example. The solution is not to abandon Israel, it's to target the source of the threat.
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If I were the president of the USA and such scenario unfolded then the Middle East better have some great anti missile defense system we haven't heard of. Mecca would be target #1
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Nas, if you know the Koran, you know that the only way to be certain you will go to heaven is if you die while killing infidels. Why don't you admit that? It seems riduculous to me that a just and loving god would require the random shedding of innocent blood in order to insure your spot in heaven. I will go to hell before I serve a god like that!
Why do you think I made the case for Christ? All he requires for you in order to know you go to heaven is to believe and receive Him. He already did all the work, you are pre-qualified if you just acknowledge and accept His gift of salvation. You don't have to do anything else. In fact, there is nothing else you could ever do on your own to "work" your way to heaven or be "good enough" to get in anyway. Even on your best day doing your very best deeds, you fall short of God's glory and He sees them as filthy rags. Being a "good person" does not get you into heaven, only His grace does and He gives it freely to any and all who ask for it. It's just that simple.
Again, it is only my job to present you with the Truth. You must decide for yourself what god you shall serve, but you will be held accountable to the one true God for your choice.
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Yes, Saudi is on the list. The Bible also predicts that Damascus will be a pile of rubble one day too.
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That's the part that troubles me...
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You know I luv ya Dr D!
I have trouble with the part of "just being a good person" will not get you into heaven (if there is one). I have to believe that a person who never intentionally hurts others, but helps whenever possible, doesn't lie, cheat, steel, etc.. will still get in, even if he doesn't believe.
Makes me think of Gandhi. There, arguably, may have been the "best" person ever in terms of helping others. Would Jesus send him to hell just because he didn't believe in him while he was on Earth?
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Excellent question! The Bible makes it very clear IMO, the man that never hears of Jesus but lives a good life will be judged accordingly. I mean, if you never knew God, but were a good man, loving and caring for others, peaceful to your neighbors, doing what is considered universally good and not doing evil, then you have no worries. See what Romans 2 says about this:
"... (6) God will give to each person according to what he has done. (7) To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. (8) But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. (9) There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; (10) but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. (11) For God does not show favoritism.
(12) All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. (13) For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (14) (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, (15) since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) ..."
In other words, if you never knew God, but otherwise lived by the law (loving your brother, living at peace, avoiding evil) then you are good to go! The ONLY people who go to hell are the ones that hear the message of Jesus Christ and still choose to reject Him.
It's easy to believe in a God like Christ, He's good to His kids (us). If you ask Him to prove He's real, He will show you and change your world forever. He did me, almost 8 years ago now. If you seek, you will find, and I strongly believe He is real and alive and working behind the scenes all the time. Think about it, I'm a man of science. You think it was easy for me to believe that I'd lived a lie my whole life? I didn't want to think the Bible was true, but now I can not deny it. I see the proof mounting in my life and observations constantly! If you never gave Jesus a chance, I beg you to get alone someplace for 2 minutes and reach out to God with a simple prayer. He will answer!!
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That's good to know Dr D!
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Yes Sir, it makes me feel better too! I wish mowry would elaborate. If you ever have a Bible question, I can usually answer, but not like mowry. That man knows his stuff! If you even got a serious question, PM mowry. He's the guy I turn to when I need help!
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"The wisdom of man is the foolishness of God" so if we put our thoughts as the dividing line for absolute truth were in trouble from the start."All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" and "our righteousness is as of filthy rags" so since all have sinned and our best efforts fall terribly short then all need redeemed.
Look at it like this if theres 1 black dot on a white sheet its fouled or imperfect.So flawed humans need to get these spots cleaned.A Holy and perfect God requires this cleansing and He became human,suffered,died,was buried and rose again to pay the price for this.Only pride keeps us from accepting this free gift(it took me quite awhile before I did).So back to the backwards thinking part. If we're given freewill then we choose where we end up.So to say any of us have a problem with it is our attempt to tell the creator of all things that we dont approve of His judgment call.
This can be discussed forever.Its not about "christianity" its about developing a relationship with Christ.Going to church without relationship will not do.We cant do enough to was away our sin on our own.1 sin disqualifies us all.If life were a test and perfect score was necessary to pass and it was a 1000000 points and you missed just 1 you can never get 100% but Jesus got it all correct and will transfer His score to our account if we just accept Him and His gift.
"Seek and you Shall find" is Gods word.So just seek the Truth and see what happens.Im not flamin or hatin,Im just telling about what Ive experienced because I care or else I wouldnt waste my or anyone elses time.
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Yep you did a better job than I there DR.
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Thanks mmowry. I'm get'n more stuff as we go.
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Ok, I wasn't sure if I should post this but here we go...
I'm gonna offer you my knowledge about spiritual life based not on Bible, but on knowledge straight fom God. I'm not dissmissing the Bible, so don't attack me about that.
I'm a manager for this guy www.brianscibetta.com and he's able to communicate with God and Jesus and other spiritual beings, including people who departed form the Earth.
When we die our soul departed form our body. What is soul? It's God's energy, light being. That light goes back to where God is, Heaven, because it belongs to God. Every person has souls, no matter what religion you belong to or believe or don't belong/believe at all.
What is "hell"? The only place in spiritual world comes as close to so called "hell" is when someone's soul gets lost and stays Earthbound. When someone takes their own life that person's soul stays earthbound, I guess you can call it "hell".
Of course, it's a lot more complicated than that, but it will give you an idea that there's no reason to be afraid of God or "hell". You can't do good deeds or be a good person because of fear... It just doesn't work that way...
I'm gonna offer you my knowledge about spiritual life based not on Bible, but on knowledge straight fom God. I'm not dissmissing the Bible, so don't attack me about that.
I'm a manager for this guy www.brianscibetta.com and he's able to communicate with God and Jesus and other spiritual beings, including people who departed form the Earth.
When we die our soul departed form our body. What is soul? It's God's energy, light being. That light goes back to where God is, Heaven, because it belongs to God. Every person has souls, no matter what religion you belong to or believe or don't belong/believe at all.
What is "hell"? The only place in spiritual world comes as close to so called "hell" is when someone's soul gets lost and stays Earthbound. When someone takes their own life that person's soul stays earthbound, I guess you can call it "hell".
Of course, it's a lot more complicated than that, but it will give you an idea that there's no reason to be afraid of God or "hell". You can't do good deeds or be a good person because of fear... It just doesn't work that way...
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i belive that pac was searchin and looked for truth was honest minded!
back to thos eppkl who belive they in the truth ...ect i emnat those muslims 1st a lil about me i was born and raised and still in ALGERIA i am 24 and if u know a bit of algeria it was like big crap of terror in teh name of islam u know man blood ppl slaughtred bombs i had ppl from familly who died ..ect all that for more than 13 years !juss the last bombing were sucide bombing the last 11th april on the road of my gym so i could been dead ! but i guess wasnt my destiny to! and all the crap taht happend was infact conspiracy with sum intelligence service sum officers admit that ,
what i wann say is teh only way to fight those ppl cuz most of tehm are manipulated is to fight them with knowledge of true islam with scholars ...ect and in teh mean time use the fire sure!
but sum ppl dont wanna that they still want the terror and tehy feed that to controle ppl under name of security...ect
thats y we never heard the sum known and reknown muslim scholars condamn teh sucide bombing ! on tv they dona wnat us know that cuz in fact they did strictly condamn that !
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hey D the problem is to target the real enemy ! but who did teh 9 11 ! many proof techniquly show that teh givernment version is teh biggest lie ever ! u know they gave the symbbole of the 2 solomn towers fallin ! all teh was the work of sume secret society like freemasosn skull bones..ect juss teh way that buildings fall is an engh proof to show thats teh work of building demolition !...ect i dont wann argue with that but just remebr b4 hitler came to the power it was teh firing of teh bundest
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hey D pls its not true and i swear by god tehre nuthin such as killin and infidel to go heavn ! tahts crazy lie the only way to be sure go haeven is to be monotheist is to belive and worshipp one and unique god! tahts only way ! taht islam teaches us !
i reapaet what i said i am muslim and i love and belive in jesus moses joseph all teh prophet peace be upon them and the way u talkin about allah teh god of muslsim and teh other god of christians and jews is really wrong it s the same god who sent the torah and koran ! but teh first books fot corrupte thats y many version i gave teh vers from teh bible who proov that!
also hwo can claim taht you know what jesus said when u dont have any scripture wrote in teh time of teh christ or by sum one who met hims personaly as we know paul john ..ect all came after his time! infact even jesus wasnt hsi name since tehr is no j letetr in teh arameline but Y it yassua or issa thats his name!
the christ ll return then teh truth gonna shine!
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yes it s major sin to kill innocent ppl there is a koran verse who says" iwho made soul alive its liek you made all teh humanity alive and if you killed soul it s like you killed all the humanity"
"teh soul means sum one"!
another vers " who kilss some one with no right his reward ll be teh hell"
u know i meant ppl whos not come to u in u r home to try kille u and all your familly tell me if sumone terrorist come try killu an du r familly u would kill him and defend u r home for sure !
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for all u guys aint tryin to convert anyone i am juss exposin the view of islam i hope i helped to clear sum misinformation about islam!
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the koran says to help the weak and teh opressd whatever theyr r to save an innocent i would risk my life even for a christian or buddhist or any kind human race!
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hey d guess what the prophecie in islam says that " mecca gonna be destroyd" and thats for 3rd time since the kabba " black cube" in mecca was built at 1st by abraham peace be upon him it seems
the peace in the middel east lll not be befor the messiah comming ! teh new world orders aka teh antichrist order is raisin !
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