but who is going to back the government...where is this money going to come from? business wanted out of heathcare benefits because of cost, and now the government is going to take over this cost? we are being told the government is too far in debt already, how can it take on this huge, additional cost?
I think what you might mean is there is so much of this you disagree with. That is alot different.
Keep in mind the mainstream media has heavy influence by the CIA through "Operation Mockingbird." Just this past July a little reform nobody took noticed that passed just this past January kicked in called the "Smith-Mundt Modernization act of 2012 (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr5736ih/pdf/BILLS-112hr5736ih.pdf)" as part of the unconstitutional NDAA act that gives the authority for the CIA to flow propaganda through the media into overdrive.
You cant just go to doctors...you can only go to doctors that still accept insurance as more and more doctors are opting out and only accepting cash (my preferred method.)
Well...not all big business is bad. There is no difference between republicans, democrats and Obama. Whether they are conspiring or not, Im not positive but most of them are bought, financed and lobbied by the same people and the media is venom.
I am pleased that you have reduce costs, kept your current plan and kept your doctor.
OK - we agreed on something.
Actually I know its in all cases because I know the law and I know what the carriers are doing. You do not. I know the rate hikes groups are getting. I know the prices of migrating people into the marketplace. I know the costs. I know whats going on every day. You do not. You can continue to believe what the news is telling you, or try finding out for yourself form people living it.
How do you feel about the massive drop in full time employment in relation to Obamacare? Last year it was 6 full time to 1 part timer, and now in 2013 its totally flip flopped to 1 full timer to 4 part timers in terms of hiring according to Forbes magazine?
Medical device taxes...taxes that were put on the rich several years ago. Lots of places.
Originally? Not the government, because government doesnt have anything. They took it from us of course and give it back as if they are heroes.
I'll explain that to the people I personally know who are being impacted by massive rate increases because of Soetoro-care. They will, unquestionably, feel better.
Its a little concept called income redistribution. Think of it as the Government playing Robinhood. They take from the rich (and middle class, too) to give to those who they want to have greater government dependence.
Your law firm doesn't have an obama plan.
Heck, it wasn't that good of a story.
She telling me obamacare is the reason it has now gone up
I think that corporate mandate was to kick in this year though...until they delayed to to kick in after the mid-term elections.
No, it must be Bush - he had to somehow wrangle an increase so he could make Soetoro look bad.
LOL.
I had the wrong link up for that Forbes magazine article here it it
She is wrong since the employee mandate doens't even go into effect until 2015. The carriers raise rates every year...like they have ALWAYS done.
Candidly, I am in that age group.
Time will tell.
It has affecting things already perhaps just knowing what coming down the pipeline they are girding their loins increasing knowing or maybe they taking advantage of the obamacare and raising rates.
They already know the rates and what a QHF plan entails since 2010.....they have been raising rages for the last 10 years significantly. Its why many groups are dropping their policies and telling their employees to go in the marketplace because A. Its cheaper and B. You get a better plan then some ****ty 50/50 7500 deductible group plan.
My rates go up more then double now they have never gone up over the last ten years but slight
....and just like that business is out of the healthcare game.
You rates didn't double. Its against the law.
There is a reason seniors go crazy over Medicare changes....they pay...private insurance companies fight you. Who would you rather ask to pay the bill?
ok I just ask her exactly how much it went up.
the premise of this thread was business backing obamacare as an excuse to be out of healthcare...the big winner here is big business who has been raking in record setting profits thoughout one of the worse economies america has seen...reminds me of the days of the robber barons whose greed nearly collapsed the economy then graciously lent the government money, with interest, lol.
just think how many more people will be hurting when obamacare fails and they don't have business backed insurance plans anymore.
So let me get this straight...you think the government will fail before a business does? I don't think you quite understand how the system functions.
This country is totally broke...I dont see why anyone would want to trust goverment to help take care of them. If the financial system collapses nothing will be payed for.
It may not effect rates Ill have to look into that, but its effect on jobs has been disastrous as now new full time employment is being overwhelmed with hour cuts and part time only workers to avoid this goverment tax (mandate is a tax.)
Of course they dont....thats why I support the idea of eliminating income tax and stopping people to depend on both goverment and big business (who are 2 together.)
The fact is if Obamacare was so good, why do you have to force so many millions of people to do it, and why does goverment exempt themselves from the same laws they enforce on everyone else?
"Dont you miss those days when you can go to the doc and if you had no money they would still treat you?" When were these days? If you walk into most hospitals in this country, by law they must provide you with basic care and it isn't free (unless you provide false information). You'll be billed and if you're unable to pay, those bills end up on your credit report which is far more damaging in the long-term.
Free healthcare was common for those in needs before goverment and health were forcefully intertwined...pre-medicare and medicaid days. Now those in need both must buy insurance or be heavily penalized...and health care still isnt free (high co-pays.)
