has anyone ever tried no2 black by mri. how do u like it? they wont send me it because i live in canada. its not even a steriod. im mad. damm customs.
Oh, results? Like a pump? That's not a result that means anything as far as muscle mass or strength gains. You get results from lifting, and progressive overload, not from a pump-pill.yes they do ive used them and i get results
good point. but some pre-workout supps help with strength endurance. (not no2 black). Ultimately it would lead to some kind of gain. Not direct gains from pre-workout supps but they do help.Oh, results? Like a pump? That's not a result that means anything as far as muscle mass or strength gains. You get results from lifting, and progressive overload, not from a pump-pill.
Stop pursuing pain and start pursuing strength and then you'll be able to cut your supplement budget in half and get closer to your goals.
I believe in pre-workout stimulants like RPM in terms of "waking you up" to perform your best, but I don't believe that there are any studies that show that NO directly causes any kind of strength or muscle mass increases. The only thing it might do is cause a placebo effect, or make you feel the pump better, which could cause a training effect -- but not a direct one.good point. but some pre-workout supps help with strength endurance. (not no2 black). Ultimately it would lead to some kind of gain. Not direct gains from pre-workout supps but they do help.
I agree! That's why I never buy my NO supps . I either win them or log them :toofunny:. For me, I found NO products useful not directly in causing strength or muscle mass gain but indirectly. before I used to train in the morning. Once summer was over, I had to train in the morning because classes for me start at 12:30 and I need to head out of my house at 11:30. Anyway, When you switch from a evening workout to a Morning workout it can be cruel. My energy was affected dramatically. Pre-workouts helped give that boost for the early morning. Im the worst morning person ever. I stay up till 1,2 am sometimes and wake up at 10 in the morning. So you see, I had to get up extra early to get to the gym. direct muscles growth, no indirectly yes. Without the pre-workouts supps i doubt I would have had the energy to lift and grow in a proper environment.I believe in pre-workout stimulants like RPM in terms of "waking you up" to perform your best, but I don't believe that there are any studies that show that NO directly causes any kind of strength or muscle mass increases. The only thing it might do is cause a placebo effect, or make you feel the pump better, which could cause a training effect -- but not a direct one.
Basically, it's not worth the money for NO supplements.
Ok, is this just an observation on the scale or did you actually use lots of equipment to account for all the variables that indicate how much you gained ? bodyfat,water,fasting, etc.....i gained the 35 pounds in 2 years
I will correct myself:you are pretty smart. it isnt a scientific number. im not ignorant but it pissis me off when someone says a supplement is ****ty when they havn t even tried it.
Well i think 35lbs in two years is quite attainable especially if your a beginner. I know i certainly put on more then that when i started to through in creatine mono and HMB into the mix when i was about 16-17. Either way i don't think NO2 products aren't that much chop. Other supps i'd rather spend my money on.I also noticed you posted something about 'DBol for a first timer'.........so I am assuming you are natural. Naturally putting on 35lbs in 2 years is even more absurd.
Sorry there's just a lot of things that piss me off and ignorance is one of them.
Well i think 35lbs in two years is quite attainable especially if your a beginner. I know i certainly put on more then that when i started to through in creatine mono and HMB into the mix when i was about 16-17. Either way i don't think NO2 products aren't that much chop. Other supps i'd rather spend my money on.
lol ok i meant some fat and water...sorry i was in a bad mood and lean muscle slipped out lol
:clap2:Oh, results? Like a pump? That's not a result that means anything as far as muscle mass or strength gains. You get results from lifting, and progressive overload, not from a pump-pill.
Stop pursuing pain and start pursuing strength and then you'll be able to cut your supplement budget in half and get closer to your goals.
Cell, we aren't talking about pre-wo supps. We are talking about the NO hype.good point. but some pre-workout supps help with strength endurance. (not no2 black). Ultimately it would lead to some kind of gain. Not direct gains from pre-workout supps but they do help.
I hope you are kidding.Yeah dudeeeee, screw NO supplements, I'd rather buy something 100% times more effective like Creatine Ethyl Ester....hahaha
i think Reaper is just being Reaper. he can be rather opinionated but puts up a good argument nonetheless.I hope you are kidding.
Yes I am. When you buy CEE, you basically support the terrorist.I hope you are kidding.
Just making sure.Yes I am. When you buy CEE, you basically support the terrorist.
:goodpost:here's the scoop. lots of people have been talking about no2 black and it's not because its a good product. From what ive heard its like 100 dollars or so. Just because it has a fancy box and is really expensive does NOT make it a godly preworkout supplement. back when i looked at the ingredience list no2 black seemed like nothing more than AAKG with some other stuff in it. Not worth 100+ dollars my friend and those super amazing pumps or w/e they claim is bull. get bulk AAKG from nutraplanet. 100g = 7 bucks. thats a deal. dont be tricked by fake marketing and a fancy box. expensive doesnt always mean great. it means their good at their jobs which is to trick the uninformed consumer. I would recommend either White Flood + citrulline malate (200g) which will cost you about 50 bucks and last for 3+ months. Those are some intense pumps for half the price. or bulk citruliine malate + beta alinine + AAKG up to you. save your money. dont buy junk.
I need to try using Beta-Alanine longer. I've used it before, but I have not used it long enough to the point where I am benefiting from it since it needs to be used consistantly. I also use about 1.5g of beta-alaine which I think is probably not enough either.
...Taking citrulline or aakg allows maximum production and regulation of the body's natural no production. I believe that the body has a finite capacity and after awhile it stops itself. With the free radicals, from what I understand this occurs only when the body is in a state of inflammation......
This is what Patrick Arnold told me when I asked him about this.
I'm not a fan of arginine supplements for blood flow, but the idea that Citrulline Malate (CM) is a nitric oxide (NO) stimulator is just perverse. There is absolutely no reason to think that CM could increase NO levels in the arteries of our muscle, but every reason to think that it could reduce it. That's right, CM could have the exact OPPOSITE effect to what you're trying to achieve!
NO and Citrulline Malate
The original thinking comes from the fact that CM is biochemically produced along with NO from the conversion of arginine. In other words, our body breaks down arginine to give us both NO and CM. One 40-year-old study shows that CM may actually reverse direction and get converted back to arginine, the rationale being that more arginine =more NO.
Arginine => NO + CM
But, aside from being bass ackwards, here are a few ways in which the theory could break down:
1) Nitric Oxide is produced from arginine along with CM, so if the reaction is reversed, shouldn't NO be consumed in the process? In other words, if you're going to make arginine out of CM, you could need both products of the original biochemical reaction to do it -meaning that you'd actually use up NO.
CM + NO => Arginine
If this is true, it would mean you're using up NO so you might hopefully (fingers crossed), eventually, get some NO. This is like trying to make money by lending it out to your friends. You're not sure if you'll get it all back, and even if you do, you're only back where you started (there is no such thing as accrued interest in biochemistry) .
Although the above theory seems sound, the reality is that CM is actually converted to arginine with aspartic acid, not NO. This means that NO would not in fact be used up in the reaction. So far so good for CM.
2) CM might negatively affect natural NO production because of another basic element of chemistry known as the Law of Mass Action (LMA). Without geeking out, LMA states that as the end products of a chemical reaction build up, in our example NO and CM, it becomes harder for the reaction to occur.
This is analogous to stuffing your mouth with marshmallows — the more you stuff, the harder it becomes. So if we're "stuffing" our body with CM, we're potentially making it harder for it and the co-product, NO, to be produced.
3) It's been repeatedly shown that blood arginine levels have little to do with actual NO production — an observation known as the arginine paradox, which was discussed in a previous Barrticle. So even if CM can convert back to arginine, NO won't be positively affected.
Reality Injection
It's fun to play with theories but we need to get real. The above discussion is an analysis of the current flaws inherent in the CM ad-copy. I know that you're probably shocked that scientific interpretation has been manipulated to sell product, but it happens from time to time.
[Editor's note: while CM may not have any effect on NO production, the product seems to have some affect on increasing anaerobic threshold.]
Realistically though, nitric oxide is a powerful free radical that can be damaging to our cells, but more importantly it regulates our blood flow. As a result, our body tightly regulates NO production to ensure that we don't die.
If NO were subject to simple dietary manipulation, we'd have passed out from hypotension after the first high-protein meal we ever ate. Tying this into the original question, CM does not have any positive impact on NO production.
Key Point: Don't forget the "nitric oxide" supplements currently on the market are really just arginine supplements, little different than those that were popular in the 1980's.
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