Need a new pre workout (RIP CRAZE)

[john A.]

Also, look into PES Enhanced, ANS Ritual is fine as well. Bitrate Ten.1, Ultima V3 from omega sports and of course SNS Focus XT

 

[john A.]

Couldn't agree with you anymore than what you've mentioned. Try kicking it up a notch with a racetam sometime such as noopept or piracetam

 

[john A.]

True, but you can still find a few ones with Dmaa here and there. Another alternative is denrobium which is slightly altered like geranium. Gives a nice lil focus while working out. I like the fact that PES has leucine nitrate in it for enhanced vascodialation and choline bitartrate for memory formation as well as cytidine and only 125mg caffeine not really high dose 1 scoop only.2 scoops i've.taken, great keep mental clarity going.

 

[T-Bone]

True, but you can still find a few ones with Dmaa here and there. Another alternative is denrobium which is slightly altered like geranium. Gives a nice lil focus while working out. I like the fact that PES has leucine nitrate in it for enhanced vascodialation and choline bitartrate for memory formation as well as cytidine and only 125mg caffeine not really high dose 1 scoop only.2 scoops i've.taken, great keep mental clarity going.

What?. Tell me more Dr.Seuss!, By the way who are you talking to?

 

[redbirdfan1]

What?. Tell me more Dr.Seuss!, By the way who are you talking to?

I was wondering if I had someone on ignore...

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

True, but you can still find a few ones with Dmaa here and there. Another alternative is denrobium which is slightly altered like geranium. Gives a nice lil focus while working out. I like the fact that PES has leucine nitrate in it for enhanced vascodialation and choline bitartrate for memory formation as well as cytidine and only 125mg caffeine not really high dose 1 scoop only.2 scoops i've.taken, great keep mental clarity going.

I've mentioned this before but if you get a stim buzz from dendrobium, chances are it's not actually dendro or its spiked.

 

[john A.]

connection

Sorry about that everyone. I'm type from my phone and the connection isn't the best while i'm here at work. I'll reply to those once i get use of computer.

 

[john A.]

SNS Focus XT is another one, also Noxipro Chrome has many different forms of Phenylanine (PEA's) contained in it as well.

 

[john A.]

Hey Blackjackcat I couldn't agree with you anymore than what you've just stated. You may want to boost the focus up by trying out some Noopept or Piracetam

 

[mr.cooper69]

Phenylalanine is an amino acid. It is not PEA aka PHENYLETHYLAMINE

 

[john A.]

Yes, its an amino acid. Yes, it is PEA its the abbreviation of Phenylanine. Phenylalanine is involed with the release of PEA, phenylethylamine, which is just a neurotransmitter related to norepinephrine. Also, two forms of it being L-phenylalanine the natural form and DL Phenylalanine which is synthetic form of it. Think about it for a second, why does chocolate contain Phenylalanine? Because it enhances serotonin and dopamine levels for an increase in mood enhancement.

 

[SwolenONE]

I just got my hands on some of the new Giant Sports Metabolic Bioshock, I'll report back with feedback next week. The formula looks terrific, should be a new go to preWO for many.

 

[mr.cooper69]

Yes, its an amino acid. Yes, it is PEA its the abbreviation of Phenylanine. Phenylalanine is involed with the release of PEA, phenylethylamine, which is just a neurotransmitter related to norepinephrine. Also, two forms of it being L-phenylalanine the natural form and DL Phenylalanine which is synthetic form of it. Think about it for a second, why does chocolate contain Phenylalanine? Because it enhances serotonin and dopamine levels for an increase in mood enhancement.

Oh my god...

 

[Jiigzz]

Yes, its an amino acid. Yes, it is PEA its the abbreviation of Phenylanine. Phenylalanine is involed with the release of PEA, phenylethylamine, which is just a neurotransmitter related to norepinephrine. Also, two forms of it being L-phenylalanine the natural form and DL Phenylalanine which is synthetic form of it. Think about it for a second, why does chocolate contain Phenylalanine? Because it enhances serotonin and dopamine levels for an increase in mood enhancement.

Haha i just read this on another forum

 

[mcc23]

Yes, its an amino acid. Yes, it is PEA its the abbreviation of Phenylanine. Phenylalanine is involed with the release of PEA, phenylethylamine, which is just a neurotransmitter related to norepinephrine. Also, two forms of it being L-phenylalanine the natural form and DL Phenylalanine which is synthetic form of it. Think about it for a second, why does chocolate contain Phenylalanine? Because it enhances serotonin and dopamine levels for an increase in mood enhancement.

at:

Phenylalanine is a precursor to dopamine only, and obviously noreph, ep. Not serotonin. If anything it would inhibit serotonin secretion. The fact that it "enhances serotonin and dopamine levels" does not justify WHY chocolate contains PEA. It would be correct to say "Why do you think chocolate enhances your mood?" And the answer would be because it contains PEA which has upstream effects on dopamine production. Also, the Theophylline in it mimicks caffeine's effects, further elevating the sense of well being.

 

[john A.]

Your right mcc23 I was in such a hurry trying to post before going off to work. Thanks, for catching the mistype I made.

 

[mr.cooper69]

But you're both wrong, which makes you wrong twice lol

 

[Jiigzz]

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/325/2/617.full

 

[mcc23]

But you're both wrong, which makes you wrong twice lol

no YOU'RE wrong. :afro:

 

[john A.]

L-phenylalanine is also converted into the amino acid, l-tyrosine. In which L-tyrosine is then converted into l-dopa before being further converted into the neurotransmitters dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine as you mentioned above as well. Your right as well though.

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Welcome to another episode of useless information....

 

[AndroRage]

no YOU'RE wrong. :afro:

Did we decide whom is correct?

 

[ajbogs]

I think hemavol stacked with the original Hyde has been the best combo I've used thus far.

 

[Dr.JJ]

I just got my hands on some of the new Giant Sports Metabolic Bioshock, I'll report back with feedback next week. The formula looks terrific, should be a new go to preWO for many.

Update? still looking fora craze clone..
:damnit:

 

[Adizzle1]

HyperMax.

Launching the first week of May exclusively at nutraplanet!

 

[Montego1]

Update? still looking fora craze clone..
:damnit:

Stimul8. Enough said really. Interested in some samples?

 

[mr.cooper69]

Nothing OTC will recreate craze for obvious reasons, period

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Nothing OTC will recreate craze for obvious reasons, period

3 tuba of caffeine free focus xt hahah

 

[Montego1]

3 tuba of caffeine free focus xt hahah

Maybe with some crack sprinkled in

 

[SwolenONE]

Update? still looking fora craze clone..
:damnit:

BioShock is great for pumps and recovery, not a strong stim... so nothing like Craze.

 

[Dr.JJ]

Stimul8. Enough said really. Interested in some samples?

Absolutely, should I PM you?

Craze though had less than 100 mg of caffeine and the scoop was small. Should I be aware of anything high dosed in stimula8? If it's got its own "kEwL" ingredient(s) that would be a find.

 

[horizons]

Stimul8 is the most overrated pre workout.

 

[Magdalena]

Stimul8 is the most overrated pre workout.

Why u say that? Lol...
Craze is good... Craze n hemavol is great, but
Stimul8 I love even more! Everyone is different....

 

[reps4jesus]

I use stimul8 on days I'm feeling hard haha

"Hard" meaning in this case that I don't care about the flu symptoms that I know are coming. But honestly, its good stuff. Def for the stim junkie type of person.

 

[rosemont83]

Well, Uncut was good but then it kind of stopped working on me.
Condense was pretty good..
Running OG jack3d right now.. its great.. till I run out of this tub then I'll have no more.. lol

Just ordered some stimul8 in the tropical flavor and white flood in pineapple so I get those on thursday I'll try them soon as well..

 

[mr.cooper69]

Well, Uncut was good but then it kind of stopped working on me. Condense was pretty good..Running OG jack3d right now.. its great.. till I run out of this tub then I'll have no more.. lolJust ordered some stimul8 in the tropical flavor and white flood in pineapple so I get those on thursday I'll try them soon as well..

If you liked how uncut felt, consider adding 1-2 caps of amentomax to your preworkout of choice

 

[HTGduck]

Stimul8... Nothing else comes close. I can only handle 1/3 a scoop! There are 40 servings... That's like 120 workouts for around $25

 

[rosemont83]

If you liked how uncut felt, consider adding 1-2 caps of amentomax to your preworkout of choice

Will definitely check that out!
Thanks coop!

 

[Dr.JJ]

Think illpumpyouup.com or hard supplements.com has the OG stuff

 

[horizons]

Why u say that? Lol...
Craze is good... Craze n hemavol is great, but
Stimul8 I love even more! Everyone is different....

I've taken on different occasions and literally kicks in quick and lasts for like 10-20 mins max. Absolute garbage. I get a better kick out of a coffee. And this is the same for 4+ of my friends. All didn't think that highly of it at all.

Everyone is different though. I had to give away my tub

 

[rosemont83]

Ok tried stimul8 today..
*****DISCLAIMER***** I did not adhere to the warning and took a full scoop first because I thought I waz badazz since I can take 2 scoops of og jack3d.

Holy effing balls was I cracked out.
Heart beating out of my chest it felt like.
By the end of the workout I felt sick and this carried on afterwards through my meal up until right now and my workout ended 3 hours ago..
The energy while it was working was crazy though but didn't last as long as jack3d, enhanced, or condense.
Tomorrow I'm either going to try half a scoop and see what happens or break into my tub of white flood reborn.
I feel to be fair I need to try half a scoop though..

 

[Magdalena]

Ok tried stimul8 today.. *****DISCLAIMER***** I did not adhere to the warning and took a full scoop first because I thought I waz badazz since I can take 2 scoops of og jack3d. Holy effing balls was I cracked out. Heart beating out of my chest it felt like. By the end of the workout I felt sick and this carried on afterwards through my meal up until right now and my workout ended 3 hours ago.. The energy while it was working was crazy though but didn't last as long as jack3d, enhanced, or condense. Tomorrow I'm either going to try half a scoop and see what happens or break into my tub of white flood reborn. I feel to be fair I need to try half a scoop though..

I did the same thing , lol, since I've used the old jack3d n craze n other goodies before, ha ha...
Yes I'd try a half scoop tomorrow....
I was a fkn mess on 1 scoop my first time, but I did have the best workout of my life....
I am a fkn machine though, either way....
Stimul8 has been very beneficial to me....

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

I did the same thing , lol, since I've used the old jack3d n craze n other goodies before, ha ha...
Yes I'd try a half scoop tomorrow....
I was a fkn mess on 1 scoop my first time, but I did have the best workout of my life....
I am a fkn machine though, either way....
Stimul8 has been very beneficial to me....

You got my email?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

If someone would like to try a new preworkout, PM me your shipping info and I'll send you a sample of Olympus Labs CONQU3R.

 

[SweetLou321]

If someone would like to try a new preworkout, PM me your shipping info and I'll send you a sample of Olympus Labs CONQU3R.

What's the ingredients?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

What's the ingredients?

Click to resize

 

[T-Bone]

What are the ingredients?

Yep.

 

[SweetLou321]

http://aijaa.com/XH9irDClick to resize

Actually looks pretty good. Saw the pre sale on nutriverse but no ingredients on their site. Thanks.

 

[jerseyswol]

Not sure if anyone has said this one yet, but cannibal ferox is pretty nuts. Got a sample of it a few months ago and it is pretty heavy on the stims

 

[T-Bone]

Not sure if anyone has said this one yet, but cannibal ferox is pretty nuts. Got a sample of it a few months ago and it is pretty heavy on the stims

I wouldn't use it, it's got several ingredients that interact with each out. It's a joke compared to the OL preworkout CONQU3R.