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I want no gut growth at all!!! I mean none. So, would using rhIGF-1 be the best way for me to go?
I would say no, because at low dosage 20mcg or 30mcg eod e3d you will destroy it in urine if you exceed what u need, your not going to take 100mcg a day of course because ull get the coleman gut of the beast, but ill let grunt ze master answer.I want no gut growth at all!!! I mean none. So, would using rhIGF-1 be the best way for me to go?
Just follow my protocol and you won't get any.I want no gut growth at all!!! I mean none. So, would using rhIGF-1 be the best way for me to go?
There seems to be this huge problem with the idea that IGF-1 is both local and systemic. When you inject immediately postworkout in the muscle trained, most of the effect will go to the intended muscle, and there will be some degree of systemic spillover depending on your dosage.Thanks for your previous response. Another issue on which I require clarification:
Let's say one is not focusing on a specific lagging muscle but wishes to hit most or all of the muscle groups...
I'm assuming the receptor downregulation only occurs on the muscle injected. Is this accurate? So if this is the case, then could you avoid downregulation even at 40mcg ED provided that each specific muscle group was only pinned E7D?
On a related issue, if one were pinning 40mcg ED but only hitting each muscle E7D, would you still recommend limiting to 4 week cycles?
I would like to preload my syringe before going to gym to pin post-workout, but im not quite understanding what you are saying about the discharging, u need foil?What I always do is to load up a syringe with just the needed amount of IGF & AA, then use a small amount of aluminum foil to make a spacer between the end of the plunger and the cylinder to avoid discharging the syringe in transit, and put this and a couple alcohol pads and my BW inside a sunglass case in my gym bag.
I grab my bag after my workout, go change in the shower or toilet and pin at the same time. Then I get my shake.
When the syringe is preloaded, obviously accidentally pushing on the plunger in transit will push out the precious IGF-1. So I make a spacer between the barrel and the end of the plunger to keep it from being pushed accidentally. Load up a syringe and you will see what I mean.I would like to preload my syringe before going to gym to pin post-workout, but im not quite understanding what you are saying about the discharging, u need foil?
ahhhh,When the syringe is preloaded, obviously accidentally pushing on the plunger in transit will push out the precious IGF-1. So I make a spacer between the barrel and the end of the plunger to keep it from being pushed accidentally. Load up a syringe and you will see what I mean.
a lot of o.3cc syringes automaticaly come with a 5/16" needle but if you look around you can find 1/2"I bought some 0.3cc syringe, but the women told me thats it's never going to reach IM cuz the pin is too small? is that true?
she told me its insulin syringe and they are only for under skin
im like i know , but i still asked her if they can reach IM, she said no because of the thickness of the skin, I know they will reach my IM in my biceps but im not sure about my pecs since they have more skin and not sure about my shoulders and legs
Someone should manufacture a slin pin with a 1" needle so fat SOB's can slim down with IGF-1. Maybe even a 2" version for the morbidly obese.that woman is a jackass. Unless you're a fat SOB you can hit small amounts of depot IM with 1/2" 29g needles. You picked a good size barrel too..3/10 is the shizzy. Just use 1/2" instead of the 5/16's or whatever they are.
rofl im not fat, but my pecs have a little fat on them, if I mesure them with a body fat caliper it'sthat woman is a jackass. Unless you're a fat SOB you can hit small amounts of depot IM with 1/2" 29g needles. You picked a good size barrel too..3/10 is the shizzy. Just use 1/2" instead of the 5/16's or whatever they are.
Try this...rofl im not fat, but my pecs have a little fat on them, if I mesure them with a body fat caliper it's
pecs 10mm,
my biceps 1mm lol,
tricep 7mm
thigh 8mm
calf 8mm
im around 12% BF,
how much mm is 5/16 ?
Ubi-- Pm me bro, I'm not aloud to pm you GOLDY.i need to spread some goddamn reps around before I hit you again Grunt.. but just know I love you.
Is this the only reason you don't preload? I've read a few direction on mixing & they say not to preload. Is there other reasons like down regulation of the igf? Or does it destory it after setting this way after awhile?When the syringe is preloaded, obviously accidentally pushing on the plunger in transit will push out the precious IGF-1. So I make a spacer between the barrel and the end of the plunger to keep it from being pushed accidentally. Load up a syringe and you will see what I mean.
I'll PM you over at MMXUbi-- Pm me bro, I'm not aloud to pm you GOLDY.
Yep the guys who recommend not preloading are talking about when you add the BW to the syringe when you preload. That's not the best, which is to bring the BW with you and add that to your syringe right before injecting.Is this the only reason you don't preload? I've read a few direction on mixing & they say not to preload. Is there other reasons like down regulation of the igf? Or does it destory it after setting this way after awhile?
I'm talking about mixing it w/ aa then adding the sodium.
Thanks, G
ALWAYS aspirate when putting a needle in yourself.what happen if you inject igf into a vein?, do u need to aspirate before injecting like anabolic steroids?
anyone got any tip on trying to aspirate with one hand --like when you do BIs?[having a bit** of a time]also I notice when you aspirate you draw some air into the syringe then shoot the air back in?----when I shoot lats think Im gone skip aspirate---not many viens theirALWAYS aspirate when putting a needle in yourself.
It isn't harmful in veins but it is far from optimal, as you will obtain no local effect.
That's not air, that's empty space. Yep, shoot the empty space in...anyone got any tip on trying to aspirate with one hand --like when you do BIs?[having a bit** of a time]also I notice when you aspirate you draw some air into the syringe then shoot the air back in?----when I shoot lats think Im gone skip aspirate---not many viens their
I agree with Mr. Pincushion above.Skull, it's a vacuum, at least it is with a slin pin.
You have blood vessels in your lats. I aspirate with anything, no matter what.
Aspirating with one hand.. put a finger on the hilt of the barrel, grasp the plunger in any way feasable, and pull back while exerting force with the finger on the barrel... this keeps the pin relatively stable.. you can get it with practice.
So It doesn't destroy the igf if people do preload? Just a safety factor. Sorry I'm just going thru a stupid faze.Yep the guys who recommend not preloading are talking about when you add the BW to the syringe when you preload. That's not the best, which is to bring the BW with you and add that to your syringe right before injecting.
IGF-1 lasts about 24 hours when exposed to the BA in BW.So It doesn't destroy the igf if people do preload? Just a safety factor. Sorry I'm just going thru a stupid faze.
so u can preload igf and bw, goto gym, inject post-workout, or its better to load bw right before injectingIGF-1 lasts about 24 hours when exposed to the BA in BW.
Thank you very much.IGF-1 lasts about 24 hours when exposed to the BA in BW.
When you say it lasts about 24 hours, do you mean that it has degraded slightly after 24 hours or that most or all has degraded after 24 hours?IGF-1 lasts about 24 hours when exposed to the BA in BW.
loading BW or NACL is for wussies.. you don't need it.so u can preload igf and bw, goto gym, inject post-workout, or its better to load bw right before injecting
IGF tends to cause all tissues to grow so if you have cancer then it will grow faster and if you don't have cancer there's nothing to grow. Think 2X2=4 but 2X0 still equals 0.What about the strong assocation between IGF-1 and cancer?
Google "IGF1 cancer". Elevated levels of IGF1 are associated with a higher risk of a lot of cancers. Most studies say high levels of IGF1 are a good predictor of who has a higher chance of cancer. I'm no expert but I was reading a thread about IGF 1 were Dr. john said “Only GH elevates IGFBP-3, which protects you from the cancer promoting activity of IGF-1. Some of the guys using that stuff are going to be really sorry they did one of these days. “IGF tends to cause all tissues to grow so if you have cancer then it will grow faster and if you don't have cancer there's nothing to grow. Think 2X2=4 but 2X0 still equals 0.
I just did a quick review of the Google results and it says that IGF-1 can increase the risk of colon and prostate cancer specifically. I didn't read enough to evaluate the strength of the research behind these claims. But if it is true, then that's even more reason why Grunt's protocol should be employed, since it will minimize systemic IGF-1 distribution (and thus exposure in the prostate and colon) while maximizing site-specific muscular benefits.Google "IGF1 cancer". Elevated levels of IGF1 are associated with a higher risk of a lot of cancers. Most studies say high levels of IGF1 are a good predictor of who has a higher chance of cancer. I'm no expert but I was reading a thread about IGF 1 were Dr. john said “Only GH elevates IGFBP-3, which protects you from the cancer promoting activity of IGF-1. Some of the guys using that stuff are going to be really sorry they did one of these days. “
I like to add the BW right before I pin.so u can preload igf and bw, goto gym, inject post-workout, or its better to load bw right before injecting
Primarily systemic effects as you state.Grunt -
What do you think would happen if a person with high BF tried to inject into a certain muscle, but the layer of fat was thicker than the pin and the IGF got injected into the fat layer? Would the IGF/AA solution mostly end up in the nearby muscle? Or would this be equivalent to a SQ injection, mostly missing the nearby muscle and having primarily systemic effects?
One very reputable company sells IGF in 100mcg vials. They provide BW to reconstitute it, not AA. They state that the IGF must be used within 24 hours. It is known that IGF-1 degrades pretty quickly in BW, but I do not know at what exact rate. I think it is safe to say that you will get very significant degradation at 48 hours and almost complete at 72 hours.When you say it lasts about 24 hours, do you mean that it has degraded slightly after 24 hours or that most or all has degraded after 24 hours?
Thanks for taking the time to answer all these questions.
What about the strong assocation between IGF-1 and cancer?
TRUEIGF tends to cause all tissues to grow so if you have cancer then it will grow faster and if you don't have cancer there's nothing to grow. Think 2X2=4 but 2X0 still equals 0.
Not that trueGoogle "IGF1 cancer". Elevated levels of IGF1 are associated with a higher risk of a lot of cancers. Most studies say high levels of IGF1 are a good predictor of who has a higher chance of cancer. I'm no expert but I was reading a thread about IGF 1 were Dr. john said “Only GH elevates IGFBP-3, which protects you from the cancer promoting activity of IGF-1. Some of the guys using that stuff are going to be really sorry they did one of these days. “
TRUEI just did a quick review of the Google results and it says that IGF-1 can increase the risk of colon and prostate cancer specifically. I didn't read enough to evaluate the strength of the research behind these claims. But if it is true, then that's even more reason why Grunt's protocol should be employed, since it will minimize systemic IGF-1 distribution (and thus exposure in the prostate and colon) while maximizing site-specific muscular benefits.
Personally, my favorite cancer-causing agent is Copenhagen. If only it helped grow muscles...
Not an expert on this, just my 2¢.
Still looking to start stuff you can't handle huh? :bruce1:loading BW or NACL is for wussies.. you don't need it.
AA straight up is fine. There's no necrosis after 7mg diluted at 500mcg/ml for me.
That's right, all of you who load BW or NACL into your pin are wussies, and I'm calling you all out... even my man Thunder and my boytoy Grunt.
You use 2 syringes? one for each side?Also having something like 30IU of liquid in the barrel makes it easy to divide in two halves for bilateral injection. If you are doing 5 units of liquid, how are you going to divide that in two?
It's on tough guy!Still looking to start stuff you can't handle huh? :bruce1:
I like to add BW after the IGF-1 because that's what I'll be pushing out at the same time as the air bubble, leaving my precious IGF-1 inside the syringe.
Also having something like 30IU of liquid in the barrel makes it easy to divide in two halves for bilateral injection. If you are doing 5 units of liquid, how are you going to divide that in two?
I like having my IGF-1 spread quick and good throughout my muscle tissue, so of course having a larger amount of liquid helps with that.
You can continue to play tough, and I'll just grow more mkay? :twisted:
Nope, one for both...You use 2 syringes? one for each side?
LOL and here I thought I was in for a fight. :yawn:It's on tough guy!
You make a concentration of 500mcg/ml. If you have to use ONE pin, then that's easy.. 8 units(40mcg)/2= 4 units(20mcg) a side.. easy peasy japanesey... I use two needles regardless, because I'm sterile like that. 4 units a slin pin... bingo, bango.. your mamma does the tango.
Slin pins are designed for near zero dead space, so whatever is left over is the volume in the actual 1/2" 29g pin. negligible.
You're a big smart french wussie, but you're a bro.. brobro.. :twisted:
It's on tough guy!
You make a concentration of 500mcg/ml. If you have to use ONE pin, then that's easy.. 8 units(40mcg)/2= 4 units(20mcg) a side.. easy peasy japanesey... I use two needles regardless, because I'm sterile like that. 4 units a slin pin... bingo, bango.. your mamma does the tango.
Slin pins are designed for near zero dead space, so whatever is left over is the volume in the actual 1/2" 29g pin. negligible.
You're a big smart french wussie, but you're a bro.. brobro.. :twisted:
loading BW or NACL is for wussies.. you don't need it.
AA straight up is fine. There's no necrosis after 7mg diluted at 500mcg/ml for me.
That's right, all of you who load BW or NACL into your pin are wussies, and I'm calling you all out... even my man Thunder and my boytoy Grunt.
I feel that that idea about T3 & IGF-1 isn't unwarranted. I wouldn't go so far as saying that for sure that T3 will kill the new baby cells, but there is some evidence that it can do so. The higher the dose, the more likely that effect, of course. It goes for the Long R3 as well as the hIGF-1.I just got finish reading an article that claims it a bad idea to use t3 with igf--its says that the t3 would destroy the newly formed cells from the igf--now Im not sure if its igf there talking about or the lr3 igf --I was wondering if the antibinding protiens in the lr3 would protect it from the t3--what Im trying to do is cut some bodyfat and do some spot muscle growth with the lr3 [BIs/shoulders/ lats] Im already taking a mild anabolic[25mg anavar] to counter the t3 and try to direct to bodyfat instead of muscle loss --do I got it all wrong or what? would I be better using ephedra instead?
what would you consider a high dose --so I guess the resistance to binding protiens of the LR3 offer no protection from t3I feel that that idea about T3 & IGF-1 isn't unwarranted. I wouldn't go so far as saying that for sure that T3 will kill the new baby cells, but there is some evidence that it can do so. The higher the dose, the more likely that effect, of course. It goes for the Long R3 as well as the hIGF-1.
Yes you may run ephedrin or clen or albuterol or any bunch of fatburners with IGF-1 with good results.
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