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I also felt the need that this post was appropriate because someone in the thread 'the freakin' 'rican' mentioned that we should cycle our protein.....hm....

I was not suggesting that you should cycle protien, i was quoting gustavo badell.
 

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Soy estrogen effects are blown out of proportion.
1: J Nutr. 2007 Jul;137(7):1769-75. Links
Isoflavone-rich soy protein isolate suppresses androgen receptor expression without altering estrogen receptor-beta expression or serum hormonal profiles in men at high risk of prostate cancer.Hamilton-Reeves JM, Rebello SA, Thomas W, Slaton JW, Kurzer MS.
Department of Food Science and Nutrition, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455, USA.

The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of soy protein isolate consumption on circulating hormone profiles and hormone receptor expression patterns in men at high risk for developing advanced prostate cancer. Fifty-eight men were randomly assigned to consume 1 of 3 protein isolates containing 40 g/d protein: 1) soy protein isolate (SPI+) (107 mg/d isoflavones); 2) alcohol-washed soy protein isolate (SPI-) (<6 mg/d isoflavones); or 3) milk protein isolate (0 mg/d isoflavones). For 6 mo, the men consumed the protein isolates in divided doses twice daily as a partial meal replacement. Serum samples collected at 0, 3, and 6 mo were analyzed for circulating estradiol, estrone, sex hormone-binding globulin, androstenedione, androstanediol glucuronide, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, dihydrotestosterone, testosterone, and free testosterone concentrations by RIA. Prostate biopsy samples obtained pre- and postintervention were analyzed for androgen receptor (AR) and estrogen receptor-beta expression by immunohistochemistry. At 6 mo, consumption of SPI+ significantly suppressed AR expression but did not alter estrogen receptor-beta expression or circulating hormones. Consumption of SPI- significantly increased estradiol and androstenedione concentrations, and tended to suppress AR expression (P = 0.09). Although the effects of SPI- consumption on estradiol and androstenedione are difficult to interpret and the clinical relevance is uncertain, these data show that AR expression in the prostate is suppressed by soy protein isolate consumption, which may be beneficial in preventing prostate cancer.

PMID: 17585029 [PubMed - in process]


This is daily consumption for 6 months which is obviously different than 3-4 times weekly, but personally I wouldn't want to do long term SPI supplementation.
 
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1: J Nutr. 2007 Jul;137(7):1769-75. Links
Isoflavone-rich soy protein isolate suppresses androgen receptor expression without altering estrogen receptor-beta expression or serum hormonal profiles in men at high risk of prostate cancer.Hamilton-Reeves JM, Rebello SA, Thomas W, Slaton JW, Kurzer MS.
Department of Food Science and Nutrition, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455, USA.

The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of soy protein isolate consumption on circulating hormone profiles and hormone receptor expression patterns in men at high risk for developing advanced prostate cancer. Fifty-eight men were randomly assigned to consume 1 of 3 protein isolates containing 40 g/d protein: 1) soy protein isolate (SPI+) (107 mg/d isoflavones); 2) alcohol-washed soy protein isolate (SPI-) (<6 mg/d isoflavones); or 3) milk protein isolate (0 mg/d isoflavones). For 6 mo, the men consumed the protein isolates in divided doses twice daily as a partial meal replacement. Serum samples collected at 0, 3, and 6 mo were analyzed for circulating estradiol, estrone, sex hormone-binding globulin, androstenedione, androstanediol glucuronide, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, dihydrotestosterone, testosterone, and free testosterone concentrations by RIA. Prostate biopsy samples obtained pre- and postintervention were analyzed for androgen receptor (AR) and estrogen receptor-beta expression by immunohistochemistry. At 6 mo, consumption of SPI+ significantly suppressed AR expression but did not alter estrogen receptor-beta expression or circulating hormones. Consumption of SPI- significantly increased estradiol and androstenedione concentrations, and tended to suppress AR expression (P = 0.09). Although the effects of SPI- consumption on estradiol and androstenedione are difficult to interpret and the clinical relevance is uncertain, these data show that AR expression in the prostate is suppressed by soy protein isolate consumption, which may be beneficial in preventing prostate cancer.

PMID: 17585029 [PubMed - in process]


This is daily consumption for 6 months which is obviously different than 3-4 times weekly, but personally I wouldn't want to do long term SPI supplementation.

It's also a study on men at high risk for developing prostate cancer. Anybody know for sure if that would or would not make a difference? It certainly is not a sample that is representative of the general population, and it also was not a study done on male bodybuilders or even "active" males.

I'm always just a little leery of the results of one study being co-opted to prove a point in a completely different argument. Sometimes it is not proper to jump to the same conclusion as a study done on a specific subset of the population.
 

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you guys are not taking the soy so don't worry about it.


bump on my tight ass stack.
 
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