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like i posted last week, it almost sounds too good to be true, BUT its still early in the post. We shall seee......
Wow, you really need to review your facts. Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is extremely androgenic (far more androgenic than testosterone) and is mildly anabolic. It is an endogenous hormone, derived from testosterone via 5-alpha reductase.I don't disagree with Ergo-log being a commercial site at all...my point is that The One is being marketed to being an innovative, unheard of compound....and that is simply not true if after getting through your liver it becomes DHT !
There is nothing new innovative or revolutionary about it, as AN claims on its ads. DHT is not anabolic, it is androgenic....and therefore it has many undesidered sides to it.
Jeez...if I wanted a strong androgenic compound...i'd take Anadrol !
I may be smoking crack, but as fas as I know MDHT is the Methylized version of DHT, the 17a-methyl is just an effective encapsulation used by many compounds for the active chemical to pass through your liver without being destroyed.By the way, MDHT and DHT are two different compounds. You cannot use them interchangeably.
1-T (original) and M1T are so significantly different that you can hardly compare them.I may be smoking crack, but as fas as I know MDHT is the Methylized version of DHT, the 17a-methyl is just an effective encapsulation used by many compounds for the active chemical to pass through your liver without being destroyed.
That is what I said above: "DHT is not anabolic, it is androgenic...."Wow, you really need to review your facts. Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is extremely androgenic (far more androgenic than testosterone) and is mildly anabolic. It is an endogenous hormone, derived from testosterone via 5-alpha reductase.
To demonstrate how much more androgenic it is, males who lack the 5-AR enzyme (and therefore ability to make DHT) have an extremely delayed onset of puberty. This is because the androgenic activity of test is so much less than that of DHT that it takes far longer for the secondary sex characteristics to appear.
Again, this is all moot because we aren't even talking about DHT here. A metabolite of "the one" is MDHT. This is a different hormone.
Are you sure that you're not thinking of enteric coating? Creating a 17-alpha-methyl version of an existing compound has nothing to do with "encapsulation".I may be smoking crack, but as fas as I know MDHT is the Methylized version of DHT, the 17a-methyl is just an effective encapsulation used by many compounds for the active chemical to pass through your liver without being destroyed.
I've used methyl-jacked (MDHT) by omega sports. It was a great compound pre-workout especially. Lean gains, great focus, leans you out, anti-estrogenic, etc.I guess I should go thru our testers one by one to see if anyone ever used Methyl Rage, as that was a direct MDHT product.
You are correct, I misread your post. DHT is anabolic however, although mildly. I'm going to have to check the A:A of MDHT.That is what I said above: "DHT is not anabolic, it is androgenic...."
Haha, that's okay. I can tell you without trying it that I don't see people putting 10lbs on with MDHT.Hmm damn, i dont have any spare The ONE to send you to try, unless I cut my own cycle short and send you half a bottle
Yeah, actually when MDHT first came out many people thought it was bunk bc it was dosed far too low. By the time I gave it a try, I think that I was up to like 75mg of the stuff daily (maybe more). It was a great compound at this dosage, but I don't see anyone putting on much weight with the stuff.Wow, as far as I remember, IN THE WRITE-UP, AN claimed it was a pre-cursor to DHT. Anyone can look at the structure and see its only difference with MDHT is at the 3rd carbon. The main issue with the MDHT/M5AA products back in the day as far as I remember was that the 3-keto was to unstable, the oxime should help stablize this issue. So I don't see any lies as far as this substance goes. We ALL should have known this was basically MDHT. Also MDHT only came in 10mg capsules, did anybody ever try it at 90mg? It could have been a whole different beast at that dosage...ala "The One"
No kidding. I'm not saying AN is being misleading or untruthful, but if it was just DHT or methyl-DHT so what... I loved DHT and M-DHT back in the day. I'd be more willing to try "the one" if AN told me it was in fact Methyl-DHT.i don't care if it's DHT and been made before, more steroids available to me is a good thing.
Me neither!!The androgenic effects aren't present for me...
The only thing new that I've learned today is that the OP has been on cycle since he joined this forum. He started with Methyl 1-D/Masterdrol and then bridged into a P-Plex/M-drol cycle and then thought Formadrol/Inhibit-E was a sufficient PCT. He then went on to claim that he was a non-responder to P-Plex and M-Drol. For further fun reading material, I'd suggest following this link-thelix post history. I'd suggest that everyone in search of a substantiated conspiracy do a little research before blindly following this guy.:laugh:
I agree that questions are fine, but i'm still not sure what was deceptive?First, why my history of using ph has to do with the composition and claims made by The One ??? There are more than just me who did not respond well to m-drol....see Monsterbox as one example !
Secondly, it is ok to as questions on this site, as this is a forum intended to educate people.
Please don't try to black mail to protect some deceiving claims made in the The One product campaign. That is so lame !
just to prove...... otc u cant beat supedrol........
and yet ppl claimed the one to actually be better..........
You are so off your rocker with that comment dht is dht. Hey look...some site that bashes all PH said something so it has to be true......Hey man, read the entire article on the actual web site.
DHT is DHT, period. It can only bring androgenous effects on the body. If the compound composition is proven to be effective through the liver...it will end up being at best, just DHT anyway.
WORD!By the way, MDHT and DHT are two different compounds. You cannot use them interchangeably.
It is not some site said something....read it yourself. It has some factual data about previous studies on this compound.You are so off your rocker with that comment dht is dht. Hey look...some site that bashes all PH said something so it has to be true......
where is the factual data? can you tell me what piece you are saying is factual? that the A:A ratios come from animal in vitro studies? thats where EVERY compound's A:A ratios come from. Any time you see any Adrogenic:Anabolic ratios it generally has come from Vida's book.It is not some site said something....read it yourself. It has some factual data about previous studies on this compound.
Now, if they faked the material presented in the article, that I cannot tell for sure.
Just by reading the logs that arent on this board confirms my thoughts.
Your history with hormonal products make it very clear that you neither understand how to safely use, nor understand the fundamentals of diet and training. It is perfectly fine to ask questions on this or any site, but your delivery and multiple postings make for an inflammatory tone, so you shouldn't be suprised by the responses you get. You're attempting to somehow disprove claims made by Apnut, but you yourself don't even know what you're talking about, b/c you just cut and pasted an article that didn't really say much factually. I wasn't trying to blackmail you, I was clearly pointing out that you're kind of an idiot.First, why my history of using ph has to do with the composition and claims made by The One ??? There are more than just me who did not respond well to m-drol....see Monsterbox as one example !
Secondly, it is ok to as questions on this site, as this is a forum intended to educate people.
Please don't try to black mail to protect some deceiving claims made in the The One product campaign. That is so lame !
No. When you add the methyl group you create a new compound with new properties. You could end up with something very far away from what you started with in terms of effects etc.I may be smoking crack, but as fas as I know MDHT is the Methylized version of DHT, the 17a-methyl is just an effective encapsulation used by many compounds for the active chemical to pass through your liver without being destroyed.
I consider it deceptive since it is not a new and revolutionary compound, it is simply DHT at the end.I agree that questions are fine, but i'm still not sure what was deceptive?
But it is a new compound, never before sold, and is not simply DHT at the end, and the results are not like DHT results.I consider it deceptive since it is not a new and revolutionary compound, it is simply DHT at the end.
Secondly AN used an old name for dihydrotestosterone (etioallocholan) on purpose in the compound description. Maybe that would lead people to believe it is an newly developed chemical. Good try !!!
NOT TRUE AT ALL !!!! Let's read what a Biochemistry Journal says about the Methylated process?No. When you add the methyl group you create a new compound with new properties. You could end up with something very far away from what you started with in terms of effects etc.
FWIW, I'm up 7 lbs. after a week on The One, and I'm not logging it. I just didn't feel like logging it, that's all. I've felt great thus far and no sides to report.And the people who bought the one and running their own logs are probably making their log look "good" so they get sponsored with your next product. I just am finding it hard to believe anyone putting on 15-20 pounds in a couple weeks off this product that you guys claim. Just by reading the logs that arent on this board confirms my thoughts.
You don't understand chemistry very well do you? This is about the body stripping off or adding methyl groups back onto chemicals after they are ingested, it has nothing to do with adding a methyl group to a chemical, and comparing its effect in the body both with and without the methyl group.NOT TRUE AT ALL !!!! Let's read what a Biochemistry Journal says about the Methylated process?
http://www.functionalingredientsmag.com/fimag/articleDisplay.asp?strArticleId=357&strSite=FFNSite
Methylation is the biochemical process in which certain molecules transfer or donate a methyl group (-CH3) to other molecules. This donation of the one carbon molecule comes from other larger molecules called methyl donors, such as methionine, S-adenosylmethionine (SAMe) and betaine. They transfer this molecule to other ‘methyl acceptors’ with the help of ‘methyl carriers’ that are primarily supplied as folates or vitamin B12. Important acceptors include nucleic acids/DNA, proteins, phospholipids and biological amines.
Without this methylation process, these methyl acceptors do not function optimally and damage to cellular structures can occur. Studies have demonstrated that impaired methylation can be detrimental to many functions in the human body, contribute to cardiovascular disease and arthritis, and potentially be the genesis of cancer.
Please stop now. Whe was the last time you saw a pro-hormone bottle that had dihydrotestosterone on the side of it. Correct me if i'm wrong but epistane has etioallocholan on the side of the bottle and quite a few others I can think of.I consider it deceptive since it is not a new and revolutionary compound, it is simply DHT at the end.
Secondly AN used an old name for dihydrotestosterone (etioallocholan) on purpose in the compound description. Maybe that would lead people to believe it is an newly developed chemical. Good try !!!
1) Show me the other compounds currently on the market that are similar and legal.I consider it deceptive since it is not a new and revolutionary compound, it is simply DHT at the end.
Secondly AN used an old name for dihydrotestosterone (etioallocholan) on purpose in the compound description. Maybe that would lead people to believe it is an newly developed chemical. Good try !!!
I think if you were a teen, then it would probably help me to understand why you continue to argue without an actual argument.u asked what was wrong...
so what is the problem then? you are complaining about sides but you said you did your research, then you ask what is wrong? hmmm...
how old are you? If you arent making gains with steroids, even if you dont respond to pplex well, ur gonna respond to something esp mdrol....if you arent making gains then something else is wrong like your diet or training.
WRONG WRONG WRONG. please stop you dont know what your talking aboutNOT TRUE AT ALL !!!! Let's read what a Biochemistry Journal says about the Methylated process?
http://www.functionalingredientsmag.com/fimag/articleDisplay.asp?strArticleId=357&strSite=FFNSite
Methylation is the biochemical process in which certain molecules transfer or donate a methyl group (-CH3) to other molecules. This donation of the one carbon molecule comes from other larger molecules called methyl donors, such as methionine, S-adenosylmethionine (SAMe) and betaine. They transfer this molecule to other ‘methyl acceptors’ with the help of ‘methyl carriers’ that are primarily supplied as folates or vitamin B12. Important acceptors include nucleic acids/DNA, proteins, phospholipids and biological amines.
Without this methylation process, these methyl acceptors do not function optimally and damage to cellular structures can occur. Studies have demonstrated that impaired methylation can be detrimental to many functions in the human body, contribute to cardiovascular disease and arthritis, and potentially be the genesis of cancer.
You never had a case!:crackhead:Guys...fine, I made my point and raised interest from the community so that they can do their own research on The One, as I did mine, instead of jumping on the same bandwagon as everyone else.
I am not a master in chemistry, no, as is the case of 99.9% of the people in this forum. But I can read, and I can understand things.
Gains, we all make gains without PH or Roids, this is not the justification that The One works. Just change your diet. After all, food is the most anabolic thing there is. I gained 6lb myself after my PCT...
My case is put to rest.
Age has nothing to do with mental capabilities. I know 10 year olds who can do advanced physics....Btw... I am 36, not a kid if this is what you guys where thinking...
Dude, please stop... if you cant accept nothing shady is going on here, then dont buy the One, tell your buds to make up their own minds, and stay offline.NOT TRUE AT ALL !!!! Let's read what a Biochemistry Journal says about the Methylated process?
http://www.functionalingredientsmag.com/fimag/articleDisplay.asp?strArticleId=357&strSite=FFNSite
Methylation is the biochemical process in which certain molecules transfer or donate a methyl group (-CH3) to other molecules. This donation of the one carbon molecule comes from other larger molecules called methyl donors, such as methionine, S-adenosylmethionine (SAMe) and betaine. They transfer this molecule to other ‘methyl acceptors’ with the help of ‘methyl carriers’ that are primarily supplied as folates or vitamin B12. Important acceptors include nucleic acids/DNA, proteins, phospholipids and biological amines.
Without this methylation process, these methyl acceptors do not function optimally and damage to cellular structures can occur. Studies have demonstrated that impaired methylation can be detrimental to many functions in the human body, contribute to cardiovascular disease and arthritis, and potentially be the genesis of cancer.
You can't put a case to rest that you never started. I'm still waiting for you to state ONE sentence in the article was factual that disagrees with anything stated in our posts about The ONE. Factual, not his opinion, or "probably". The only thing where he has a little bit of a point is as of what date the compound was first mentioned, and so maybe by oversight we were off by 2 years. I don't see the compound that is The ONE mentioned directly in that patent, but I may have missed it, or it might be referred to generically, I only looked at compound names rather than reading all of the patent.Guys...fine, I made my point and raised interest from the community so that they can do their own research on The One, as I did mine, instead of jumping on the same bandwagon as everyone else.
I am not a master in chemistry, no, as is the case of 99.9% of the people in this forum. But I can read, and I can understand things.
Gains, we all make gains without PH or Roids, this is not the justification that The One works. Just change your diet. After all, food is the most anabolic thing there is. I gained 6lb myself after my PCT...
My case is put to rest.
your not bright at all dude. you might as well be mad at all supplement companies. i know for a fact other reputable supplement companies use the term etioallocholan, for example ameri-cell labs does in their mass extreme....what are you trying to say???I consider it deceptive since it is not a new and revolutionary compound, it is simply DHT at the end.
Secondly AN used an old name for dihydrotestosterone (etioallocholan) on purpose in the compound description. Maybe that would lead people to believe it is an newly developed chemical. Good try !!!
...and now you take a neutral stance, saying you've raised awareness? You tried backing your claims of allegiance to the article by saying that it's a copy of another supplement, and then when it's pointed out to you that additions to chemical compounds can alter properties and the output entirely, you retort by arguing methylation effects?Hello Everyone,
I know something was wrong with the hype around "The One". This compound is nothing more than DHT and therefore it cannot do anything more to you than just increase aggression and focus.