I've used it before and it worked pretty well but my caloric deficit was pretty large at the time. They seem to work better that way but then you can run inot a host of other problems following that type of diet.
and a well debated topic between low and high GI carb as well bro.Don't forget to add the dextrose to those post WO shakes! Why you ask? Wellllll let me tell you:
I have studies laying around and I'll add them if anyone wants to double check me but I think this is a pretty well covered subject.
I'll try again... anybody have some insight on this? Hate to go off topic, but this thread has been all over the place anyways.Now, to expand further on YHCL and insulin... let's say you ingest some YHCL and then consume a meal with carbs in it, enough to create a moderate insulin spike. Will the Y resume its effects after the insulin spike has 'settled down'? Or is it a done deal after that?
Damn, I think I worded this question terribly. But it's early, and hopefully someone will get what I'm trying to ask.
TheUsual,Don't forget to add the dextrose to those post WO shakes! Why you ask? Wellllll let me tell you:
Dextrose preferentially replaces muscle glycogen whereas other simple sugars preferentially replace liver glycogen. Thus the dextrose is best for shuttling nutrients to your burnt out muscles.
I have studies laying around and I'll add them if anyone wants to double check me but I think this is a pretty well covered subject.
Thanks for the welcome.TheUsual,
welcome here.
i devoted a lot of time to experiment with this pre, during & post w/o nutrition buisness just to sort it out once & for all...............for myself.
i was armed with a lot of info including Zeppilins "pre, during, post w/o nutrition" article. my conclusion was that all the dex & malto just made me FAT.
this maybe good for some who just want mass/FAT (or ectomorphs) but my idea of bodybuilding is to look good ALL the time. i actually just dumped the rest of my dex & malto in the bin & stocked up natural honey (i'm fortunate to know someone with bees ) & oats.
the results i'm getting speak for themselves. Bobo was the one who got me thinking about the oats & it worked well.
Jag
MM is no good post WO due to the fat content. No fats post WO! This is a fact on which there is no contention I assumewhat do people think of a supp. like muscle milk post-workout (for cutting or bulking).
the CW is that pw shake should be protein and carbs, however MM has protein, relatively low carbs, and a substantial fat portion (albeit mostly "good" fats)
based on the CW i would hesitate to make it my post w/o shake, but any thoughts on this?
JAG, what kind of oats are you using?? Cause I know those 'instant oats' are a pretty high GITheUsual,
this maybe good for some who just want mass/FAT (or ectomorphs) but my idea of bodybuilding is to look good ALL the time. i actually just dumped the rest of my dex & malto in the bin & stocked up natural honey (i'm fortunate to know someone with bees ) & oats.
the results i'm getting speak for themselves. Bobo was the one who got me thinking about the oats & it worked well.
Jag
Only instant "packs" of oats are High GI - IE. Maple brown sugar,mmm, peaches and cream etc. The instant plain oatmeal (you know the one where you add 1 cup of water for 1 cup of oats and cook 1 min in micorwave are low GI)JAG, what kind of oats are you using?? Cause I know those 'instant oats' are a pretty high GI
i just use good ol' Uncle Toby's Traditional oats.JAG, what kind of oats are you using?? Cause I know those 'instant oats' are a pretty high GI
From what I've read in "The Zone" which, by the way has excellent discussions on how food affects hormones, says that those instant oats, plain or not, are still high GI. The ones that are still in big thick bunches and take 10-30 minutes to cook are the lower GI oats. Coincidentally, the longer it takes to cook them, the slower they digest and affect your bloodsugar
Stored fat is not released and oxidized that quickly. Exercise releases the majority of FFA's into your bloodstream and diet over time oxidizes them. The production of insulin won't have any effects on "accessing fat stores" during exercise. In fact, cell permeability will increase and what happens after that depends on diet and circulating FFA's.I would say no the the simple sugars pre w/o as this will cause an insulin spike which will make it difficult to access your fat stores during the workout.
Thanks for the clarification.Becuase its pre-workout and those calories will be used. The body uses all sources at all times, not just one. Insulin is a storage hormone but the bodies repsonse to exercise is to fill glyocgen stores first (skeletal muscle and liver), fat stores second and if there isn't an abundance of circultating FFA's then the probablity of nutrients being converted into tryglycerides is very unlikely. It would be better to sip it through your workout. In any case the best time you can get away with these tpye of drinks aorund pre or during workout.
Jag, how much dex & pro were you using in your post WO shakes??TheUsual,
welcome here.
i devoted a lot of time to experiment with this pre, during & post w/o nutrition buisness just to sort it out once & for all...............for myself.
i was armed with a lot of info including Zeppilins "pre, during, post w/o nutrition" article. my conclusion was that all the dex & malto just made me FAT.
Jag
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