follow up: having been off magnitropin since i think the 29th, i have noticed i lost the pump effect despite having remained on the aforementioned creatine; this is all the indication i need to know that magnitropin and not the creatine was responsible for the effect. my thighs were pressing against my pants when on magnitropin, and this effect dissappeared after being off of it. the benefit had increased gradually and was hard to really detect until i lost it, and there is indication it may have continued to improve had i taken magnitropin longer.
with regards to the strength increases, i did start an (-)- epi product designed to get around absorption issues and found that i retained much of my increased strength, lost some in some areas, and improved in other areas. this indicates to me that there is strength increase due to the action of the herbs independantly of the (-) epi. i will be interested in running more ,if i can get a good deal on it, along with the (-)-epi product im getting good results from for further observation in this area