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First sample is still being tested (speed it up damn it) and should be released on Monday for people to start testing. I will keep you all in the loop!
Eric
Eric
Yeaaaa buddy!!! Cant wait!!First sample is still being tested (speed it up damn it) and should be released on Monday for people to start testing. I will keep you all in the loop!
Eric
Is it the same compound as the old? No new ingredients?First sample is still being tested (speed it up damn it) and should be released on Monday for people to start testing. I will keep you all in the loop!
Eric
Almost positive its a new ingredientIs it the same compound as the old? No new ingredients?
you totally have my interest on this, eric....this is the kind of stuff i signed on for-hell yeah!!!:cheers:None, not one case of gyno from the original (over 150,000 bottles sold) for the last time progestins don't cause gyno they prevent it.
:think:... Sooooo how likely is it this is a gyno pill?
Non-methyl?:think:
I don't follow, what is your question here?
Is it the term progestin that is confusing you?
Maybe I can help explain..somewhat..
Progestin is the term used for synthetic progesterone.
Progesterone is a hormone mainly used to control estrogen but there has been studies with progestins that show some can help perserve muscle and even build muscle.
To give you some perspective anadrol, trenbolone (Fina), mibolerone (Cheque Drops),, nandrolone (Deca), and Methyl-Dien are all steroids and all progestins too!
Not too sure exactly what progestin derivatives or metabolite of progestin Eric is working with but I can firmly makes this promise..
It will be BAD ASSS!!
Yes..Non-methyl?
The old M1P I believe had a AI with it. Not sure if Eric did the same thing with this one.im lost here
progesterone alone cannot cause gyno
tren, deca, nor compounds are progestins, that can stimulate the progesterone receptor
the issue is estrogen (which deca converts to, tren no), and high levels of it coupled with the above mentioned activity, which can lead to gyno and prolactin issues
control e2, and there are no worries, simple as that, and it goes for all nor compounds, ph and aas
This is what I was referring toim lost here
progesterone alone cannot cause gyno
tren, deca, nor compounds are progestins, that can stimulate the progesterone receptor
the issue is estrogen (which deca converts to, tren no), and high levels of it coupled with the above mentioned activity, which can lead to gyno and prolactin issues
control e2, and there are no worries, simple as that, and it goes for all nor compounds, ph and aas
you mean like the pregnant woman who said she didn't know that drinking a quart a day of jack daniels would harm her unborn child????hopefully, cause some people will run things any which way, and complain after seeing they didnt do their homework
sometimes they need to be save from themselves
To give you some perspective anadrol, trenbolone (Fina), mibolerone (Cheque Drops),, nandrolone (Deca), and Methyl-Dien are all steroids and all progestins too!
Wrong. They are nandrolone analogs. They are all androgens. Progestins are in a whole different class; And anadrol is an analog of DHT.tren, deca, nor compounds are progestins
Deca catalyzes to e2 very slowly. It is much more likely that its progestational activity induces gyno or, if highly dosed, it may be due to the combined activities as you said.the issue is estrogen (which deca converts to, tren no), and high levels of it coupled with the above mentioned activity, which can lead to gyno and prolactin issues
Tren does not aromatize, but it can still cause gyno.progesterone alone cannot cause gyno
Wrong. They are nandrolone analogs. They are all androgens. Progestins are in a whole different class; And anadrol is an analog of DHT.
Deca catalyzes to e2 very slowly. It is much more likely that its progestational activity induces gyno or, if highly dosed, it may be due to the combined activities as you said.
Tren does not aromatize, but it can still cause gyno.
Anyway, subbd for more info
INDEED!!!!Heard great things about the original M1P.
:think:Wrong. They are nandrolone analogs. They are all androgens. Progestins are in a whole different class; And anadrol is an analog of DHT.
Normethandrolone was first described in 1954.680 Shortly after, it was developed into a medicine by Organon, which introduced it under the Orgasterone brand name in Belgium and Switzerland, and as Orga-steron in the Netherlands. This steroid had also been sold by other manufacturers in various parts of Europe as Methalutin, Lutenin, and Matdonal. Although a simple oral methylated nandrolone, with strong properties as an anabolic steroid, normethandrolone exhibits such strong progestational activity that it was marketed as an oral progestin. Its anabolic effects were more looked at as secondary applications for the drug, and accounted for very little medical interest.
It is of note that nandrolone has some activity as a progestin in the body.389 Although progesterone is a c-19 steroid, removal of this group as in 19-norprogesterone creates a hormone with greater binding affinity for its corresponding receptor. Sharing this trait, many 19-nor anabolic steroids are shown to have some affinity for the progesterone receptor as wel1.39o
It is of note that mibolerone also displays strong activity as a progestin in the body.
Some have suggested that; the high level of estrogenic activity in oxymetholone actually due to the drug acting as a progestin, similar' nandrolone. The side effects of both estrogens ar progestins can be very similar, which might have made this explanation a plausible one.
Trenbolone and nandrolone, while classified as androgens, closely resemble the progestins as they have in common the absence of the 19 methyl present on the common precursor cholestane, which is the precursor of all steroid molecules in humans. Progestins are a group of synthetic compounds related to progesterone and are used therapeutically and in scientific research in the areas of fertility and cancer research.
I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. What does 5a-reduction of nandrolone have to do with gyno? I understand natural androgens like androstendione and DHT can be used to treat gynecomastia, but it's the least effective method available. Not to mention steroids with high androgenic activity can induce gyno.The reason Deca causes gyno is because of DHN being about 1/2 the androgenic activity of DHT.
I'd rather call them androgens with progesterone activity. I don't see 21 carbons on nandrolone, nor do I see 20(19-nor pregna). I see 18. An estrane skeleton, not a pregnane. Just because you can synthesize an androgen from a progestin doesn't classify them as both.they are progestins as well as androgens.
Well sorry we didn't know if this was the exact same thing, at first your reps were eluding to the fact it was prob new so who knew if your individual compound should/shouldnt necessarily need it. I tried propadrol from est before they had a version with an ai and that stuff had my nips in pain within days... I am prone though as are many people but its smart for the just in case.The reason Deca causes gyno is because of DHN being about 1/2 the androgenic activity of DHT. Nothing at all to do with it being a progestin IMHO. So, Judojosh is right, they are progestins as well as androgens.
Second, we will have an AI component in there like we did with the original M1P. We had this same discussion 5 years ago and as I explained NOT ONE CASE OF GYNO. Someone should pull up the old threads. Leave the steroid design to those who fully understand it and considering the abortions that people are selling these days, we would be the last people to be suspect on our steroid design.
The AI really only there to shut people up, not that it's necessary with this compound. We had the same discussions last time...lol But you can't convince everyone so, what the hell an AI isn't going to hurt anything.
count me among them!!!!:yup:Due to all the skepticism I volunteer myself to test this product!
Give it to me Eric I will keep a photo chest journal and you guys can see if any boobs or milk appears :boobies:
I am sure MANY other members will be willing to try this out too
there flavor and stacking prewo supps take precedent.....junior circuitexcited for M1P. Also just wanted to say that its nice to see an actual intellectual debate with science and no trolling. AM>bb.com by far
Well, no offense but 5aReduced steroids are very effective in treating gyno. Steroids with high androgenic activity don't at all induce gyno. Now, there are some oddball pathways that are less understood like knocking E off SHBG but that isn't very common. Things like DHT are very good at reducing gyno while things like DHN can certainly cause gyno.I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. What does 5a-reduction of nandrolone have to do with gyno? I understand natural androgens like androstendione and DHT can be used to treat gynecomastia, but it's the least effective method available. Not to mention steroids with high androgenic activity can induce gyno.
I'd rather call them androgens with progesterone activity. I don't see 21 carbons on nandrolone, nor do I see 20(19-nor pregna). I see 18. An estrane skeleton, not a pregnane. Just because you can synthesize an androgen from a progestin doesn't classify them as both.
Please explain your reasoning.
and a active brain and penis is a good thing, imo.:yup:Well, no offense but 5aReduced steroids are very effective in treating gyno. Steroids with high androgenic activity don't at all induce gyno. Now, there are some oddball pathways that are less understood like knocking E off SHBG but that isn't very common. Things like DHT are very good at reducing gyno while things like DHN can certainly cause gyno.
Blocking DHT is one of the ways Finasteride can cause gynocomastia. It's the absence of DHT that throws off the Androgen/Estrogen balance. 5aReduced Nandrolone - DHN being about half the potency of DHT will do the same thing. Also it's what is probably the cause of "deca ****" since DHT is active in the brain and penis.
You of all people should know this is false. LG brought M1T to the market, did they not? How many reports of gyno did you guys get from that? I'll bet it was enough to leave a mark. How about Superdrol, Phera, and anadrol? They're all 5a-reduced with considerable reports of gynecomastia.Well, no offense but 5aReduced steroids are very effective in treating gyno.
Trenbolone? 500 androgenic value compared to nandrolone. Madol again --Androgenic value of about 200 compared to methyltest.~~pretty sure they aren't nipple friendly. I'd love to see what methyltrienolone(with an androgenic number of <10,000) would do to guys' nipples in stupid doses.Steroids with high androgenic activity don't at all induce gyno.
You can't place the sole responsibility of gyno on 1 metabolism pathway. Nandrolone aromatizes too, albeit much slower than testosterone. You do know estradiol is another cause for concern for bitch tits right? Just makin' sure.Things like DHT are very good at reducing gyno while things like DHN can certainly cause gyno.
This I can actually see some evidence for and can agree with.Blocking DHT is one of the ways Finasteride can cause gynocomastia. It's the absence of DHT that throws off the Androgen/Estrogen balance. 5aReduced Nandrolone - DHN being about half the potency of DHT will do the same thing. Also it's what is probably the cause of "deca ****" since DHT is active in the brain and penis.
No real offence but all you've shown is that you don't understand steroids very well at all. How about you get some knowledge and then come back and talk. Go over to bb.com where your kind are respected...You can't place the sole responsibility of gyno on 1 metabolism pathway. Nandrolone aromatizes too, albeit much slower than testosterone. You do know estradiol is another cause for concern for bitch tits right? Just makin' sure.
This I can actually see some evidence for and can agree with.
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