Old Spurf does base his claims off published studies. Do they have published studies for Tren on humans? Superdrol? Doubtful
Personally I don't care if its the best mass builder. I can tell you it is a damn good one, that doesn't cause liver damage, with fewer side effects than anything that may be stronger. That is enough evidence for me to believe it is one of the best AAS if not the best in GENERAL.
Now, If I was trying to blow up in 4 weeks, or be crazy strong and aggressive for a powerlifting meet/ MMA fight etc I would probably chose something else like dbol or a bit of halo
Wait a minute, now you are going crazy and bringing in specificity... stop with all of this trying to be sensible.
That I don't know but I doubt. All I know Is that it will be very little muscle but the goal for me with anavar is to lean out not to bulk
All you KNOW? In one of the pages before you said you weren't sure now, kind of playing the mediator now you know it won't provide much muscle again? Plus you just said that you used anavar with the specific goal of leaning out. So no way you were trying to bulk. How so how can you sit there and say you KNOW it will only add a little mass... Many of us have mentioned good gains with it when we ate for gains. You admittedly only use it for leaning up, so of course you didn't gain much if anything in a deficit...
You come on here with a lot of controversial ideas from SERM use to oral AAS use to training time regimens to which AAS is more anabolic to 100 gram protein diets and not counting macros, etc. All of which people have been doing with success for a long time. But now you want to come on here and tell people they've been doing everything wrong all this time. I like to hear different ideas and different ways of doing things, especially when other people have found it works for them in the real world. But it's very difficult to suddenly sell experienced people on entirely new ways when they've spent decades having success doing things the other way. And it's not a knock against you... it's just human nature.
Agreed, but people take idealogical views with gear, and get polarized about their stances. Just look at this thread as proof.
Also, most great breakthroughs in science were met with extreme skepticism and were demonized be the keepers of the old regime. Just look at how the flat earther's felt about those idiots who thought the world might actually be round. Nature is to buck against the change, but for great progress one has to also keep an open mind.
Until recently eggs were the devil, and now they are considered healthy to the point Weight watchers considers them a 0 point food that you can eat without restriction... People still buck against that. I tell my Dad inflammation is the bigger enemy of his CVD than dietary cholesterol and regardless of nutrition certs and loving to research this kind of stuff he still tells me I don't know what I am talking about.
I think it’s worth a try though, there’s nothing much to lose really and everything to gain. I for one am going to give it a try. At least the dosing side of creatine caffeine and var with clomid. I’ve always gone the tried and tested ways and got good results, on the other hand if I dont do this I’ll always wonder .. what if ?
Exactly... I was told i was insane when I started the Lean Gains IF thread on here several years ago. Old Kleen trying that new wierd crap out. I was going to lose all my gains and look like an emaciated smurf within months... Now it is a very popular way to eat for people in all lifestyles and sports too. I think that thread had a few hundred pages the last time I looked and became a huge resource for many to get info from.
Got to try things out if the science looks like it is solid and the anecdotal evidence seems to have some validity as well. That is what we have here. Something new, that might just work and if it isn't spectacular then I just ran a regular var run and nothing lost...
