Yes those are my high day numbers. Rick is right my non lifting days I get in closer to 2000. Depending on activity a little higher or lower.
Lazarus! Nice to see you back around Big.So I'm back from the dead....actually just got back from afghanistan!!!!! It's been too long.....
Glad to see you're still killing it my friend
Good to see you back brother. You know me it is a lifestyle.So I'm back from the dead....actually just got back from afghanistan!!!!! It's been too long.....
Glad to see you're still killing it my friend
That is pretty crazy for no pump!Here is a snap shot of some vascularity I thought was pretty cool today after I broke my fast. Just sitting at desk no exercise or pump, not flexing my arm was hanging down and I noticed it. I thought it was cool and wanted to see if the phone on my camera could pick it up. Yes I know I am hairy and looking like a wooly mammoth.
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Yeah I was pretty stoked about it. I am leaning out some more I am at 210 right now well as of Thursday morning. Same day the pic was taken. I am remaining pretty thick which is making me happy. I will give using Elite Labs Ostanish during my bridge credit for holding so much size while I am leaning out some. As as Snags mentioned it is a little more of a recomp than a full on cut. We will see how lean I get continuing what I am doing. Just adding in cardio to bring on the lean.That is pretty crazy for no pump!
Thanks with as lean as you are that is hard to imagine. I am still working the recomp train but doing more cardio now. However I plan to shift gears soon. Still trying to hold on to as much size as possible for when I pick my show next year. I was thinking early spring at first but now considering later possibly summer time or even a late fall show. Considering I plan to ride the MS 150 I need to make sure that the ride is not costing me any size. I don't think it will but it is I bigger goal than the show at this moment. I can always fill back up a little right after the ride if I feel I need to.Nice vascularity Kleen. Its cold as fock right now here in the Midwest, so my veins go into hiding quite often. It takes a good pump or a hot shower to bring them to life lately....lol
Nice vascularity Kleen. Its cold as fock right now here in the Midwest, so my veins go into hiding quite often. It takes a good pump or a hot shower to bring them to life lately....lol
i will cosign for RR..dunno where he's at, but midwest sure took a hit last night (we had our first freeze here)with as lean as you are that is hard to imagine.
perhaps up the cals a tad, keeping them clean, kleen.Considering I plan to ride the MS 150 I need to make sure that the ride is not costing me any size.
Nice to have you Distilled. It is a preference more than anything. Some people are all or nothing with regard to diet but I find there are many ways to reach ones goals and we all have to find what works and fits best for us personally. Right now I am doing a 10 hour fast 14 hour feed on my 3 lifting days then fasting 16-20 hours on burn days. I think I may return to 16/8 shortly but just experimenting.I'm watching you Kleen, idk about the IF but always learning. Between you and Frank, I may try it again. Either way, Sub'd.
These were my thoughts also Snags. When the training times/miles go higher some form of Carb back loading after the rides may be initiated. Try to enhance recovery and have lots of fuel in the tank for my lifts.i will cosign for RR..dunno where he's at, but midwest sure took a hit last night (we had our first freeze here)
haven't seen much veinage on myself either lol.
perhaps up the cals a tad, keeping them clean, kleen.
extended cardio always chews up some size for me, unless i add to the fuel.
You are heading toward my usual practice. As you know I didn't do much cardio this summer for our contest just adjusted diet and took a couple walks outside during the week. So I think the key here with extra activity will be the same but in reverse, add in the cals to accommodate the activity. If I do a summer show that should have me plenty lean while maintaining good mass and add a lot more separation to my legs as if they needed it. LolI don't have too much problems with extended cardio but I always hit my targeted cals for the week whcih usually involves some pretty heavy refeeding at the end of the week. Still I am trying to decrease activity and relying more on calorie control as we move into winter as I will be far less motivated to get the extra activity in if it's indoors...
I just don't want to get myself into a position where I owe cardio to make up for overeating and it's winter and I know I hate indoor cardio...I still have my commutes so that gives me some extra room to work with. I have started making Suday's a complete rest day and have had some good luch extending fasts and getting in some really low burn days. I am maintenance now so the Protein intake does not have to be quite as high...Nice to have you Distilled. It is a preference more than anything. Some people are all or nothing with regard to diet but I find there are many ways to reach ones goals and we all have to find what works and fits best for us personally. Right now I am doing a 10 hour fast 14 hour feed on my 3 lifting days then fasting 16-20 hours on burn days. I think I may return to 16/8 shortly but just experimenting.
These were my thoughts also Snags. When the training cleves go higher some form of Carb back loading after the rides may be initiated. Try to enhance recovery and have lots of fuel in the tank for my lifts.
You are heading toward my usual practice. As you know I didn't do much cardio this summer for our contest just adjusted diet and took a couple walks outside during the week. So I think the key here with extra activity will be the same but in reverse, add in the cals to accommodate the activity. If I do a summer show that should have me plenty lean while maintaining good mass and add a lot more separation to my legs as if they needed it. Lol
No doubt nutrition is the key all the rest is just stuff that helps along.I just don't want to get myself into a position where I owe cardio to make up for overeating and it's winter and I know I hate indoor cardio...I still have my commutes so that gives me some extra room to work with. I have started making Suday's a complete rest day and have had some good luch extending fasts and getting in some really low burn days. I am maintenance now so the Protein intake does not have to be quite as high...
Haha just about Carb timing and using them to contol leptin in return controlling the metabolism and a different way to peak other than Carb depletion and dehydration.Damn bro...I have subbed to this thread 3 times and still I am not getting the updates FML. Glad you are Killing it bro...btw what kind of nutritional secrets are you feeding Doc hes in my thread getting all mysterious about Kleens "nutritional advice" LOL!!!
Inaurius long time brother. Yeah been at this since I was 12 almost 28 years now. Not stopping any time soon.Glad to see you are still at it Kleen. Hope all is well.
Thanks, I feel my arms are definitely improving, maybe not by leaps and bounds but I have been making sure to keep some work on them and give them a nudge. The extra vascularity in my arms even when my abdomen is looking a little soft is a sign to me that there is an increase in muscle mass there. More than anything though I need to get my body fat much lower over the next two months and that will take adjustments. Not major adjustments but adjustments nonetheless. Basically I will be lowering my daily average down to 2500, extending my fasts longer on burn days and doing my normal intake on build days with about a 2900 intake over the 8 hour feeding window.Yah you gained some but by the look of your arms you gained some muscle as well and I am seeing more water than anything so don't panic yet. I had some water issues earlier in the week. I was like man I gained 2.5 lbs this week but I do look bigger but my abs are a bit washed out. Well today I am back down and looking as lean as ever and I aml liking my size too.. I did not make any adjustments. I will wait till I see a trend one way or another before I do. Water is fuggin tricky and doesn't always go away when you think it should.
Advice so nice you had to say it twice. At least it isn't just me. LOL Yeah I was thinking about 2 refeeds a week myself. This may just be the initial break in period. Watch the fat melt off for a couple weeks then see if I need more intake. I was thinking 2 of them a little smaller than this a week say 350-400.lookin good big guy.
so mathematical in your approach - cool!
glad it works for you..
if you don't like how this treats you and feel you need a bit more caloric intake, perhaps throw in 2 refeed days per week.
Yeah it is weird I have seen it happening a lot lately, not just on my thread though. Although definitely A LOT in here. I think there is an intermittent bug on the forum. A lot of times the browser will act like it is going to post but never show it has completed just spinning the status thing endlessly. Then I check the forums and it shows the post made it.lulz.
i think there's something wrong with your thread link bro - i did not post that twice, have no clue..
anyway - all sounds good bro.
def agree about counting cals in veggies, greens especially..
never count my salads/peppers/brocolli/cauliflower/carrots etc (only croutons/dressing on the salad of course).
I am mega stocked with Walden farms dressings so I don't count them, but it does me no harm to count my veg so I do. Whatever you do just stick with it and you will figure things out as it is all relative. I eye my chicken breasts... I could be off by an ounce here or there but my diet is always money...my eye is pretty good though, calibrated as you would say ...Yeah it is weird I have seen it happening a lot lately, not just on my thread though. Although definitely A LOT in here. I think there is an intermittent bug on the forum. A lot of times the browser will act like it is going to post but never show it has completed just spinning the status thing endlessly. Then I check the forums and it shows the post made it.
Yeah definitely count the dressing that would be a costly mistake. Although many times I use a home made salsa with fresh peppers tomotoes, and clinatro instead of dressing and don't really count it since it takes quite a bit to be of any consequence.
I have kept things pretty low and in check. Had a bit of a relaxed day yesterday compared to some days but was still pretty good over all.I have been able to rock out some really low burn days lately which make my refeeds more fun
I tried using the apps on my phone but they just end up frustrating me. Trying to type anything on those little bastards when I have a forearm pump is ridiculous, and then they seem to always want to dictate my time. I just need to create an Excel spreadsheet and enter it in that way so I can save it easier but it would probably still annoy me trying to enter it in on the phone between sets especially when I am spotting my wife. Doesn't give much time for that and keeping a fast pace.Awesome work as usual. I love seeing PAPER workout logs.lol
Are you using Ostanish or a product from a research company?