I am aware of the Fed issues, going as far back as Pres. Wilson. However, do you consider it a group in control or more or less 1 family? I ask, as I know how many always assume the Rothschilds
International banking cartels. This affects every American.listen, I am not going to watch your little youtube clips. So in other words, use your own words to tell us all who pulls the strings. Lets try some originality here please
Right, you are much more reliable than them :crackhead:Please everyone stop listening to US Media, this is not a free media, it is controlled and not by anyone who cares about the people of this country.
Quit looking at the world through the eyes of Fox News and stop being spoon fed.
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I only go as far to say that Banks control this country. Aiming the blame at the families that own the banks is somewhat far fetched.I am aware of the Fed issues, going as far back as Pres. Wilson. However, do you consider it a group in control or more or less 1 family? I ask, as I know how many always assume the Rothschilds
No. I don't support suicide bombers. I agreed that children programming was ridiculous.Right, you are much more reliable than them :crackhead:
but you go on supporting suicide bombers and a GOVERNMENT who would broadcast that hideous rabbit **** as a childrens show teaching them to hate and want to kill. See where that gets you, and them.
So then prove you're right about Israel.Right, you are much more reliable than them :crackhead:
but you go on supporting suicide bombers and a GOVERNMENT who would broadcast that hideous rabbit **** as a childrens show teaching them to hate and want to kill. See where that gets you, and them.
The UN voted to give Israel that land. All the rest of this crap is due to the Arab nations refusing to accept that.So then prove you're right about Israel.
Prove the rest of the world supports Israel?
Easy. Any time that israel doesn't respond, or responds weakly what you see from hamas and other terrorist groups of palestinians is "their resolve is weak, its time to strike harder". So israel does what it does to keep that from happening. Is it what i would like to see happening? No, i'd like to see hamas keep its cease fire agreements and work towards actual peace.Prove the UN Condemnations were a mistake?
Prove why it happened at all.Prove that 9/11 happened because we are "free and strong"
Who said they were? Its the same tactic the palestinians use.Prove the Amnesty International and UN accusations of using human shields are false?
Hamas fires rockets from civilian locations, regardless of what those locations are. Is it better if its from an apartment complex? There have been numerous reports, even in the most recent incidents that hamas fired them from NEAR a school, with palestinian's as eyewitness.Prove Hamas hides and shoots rockets from schools
never said it wasn'tProve the Media is not ONE sided in he US
Who said they were?Prove that the Rockets from Hamas are FAR more devastating than, white phosphorus, tank shells, artillery shells, hellfire missiles, 500lb mk 82 bombs?
Its happened enough times, which particular time do you mean? repeatedly hamas does this, or hamas operatives, or other terrorist groups. The mortars aren't marked as to who they came from, but hamas is supposed to be in control of their territory.Prove that Hamas broke the cease fire first and Israel is acting in self defense.
Never said that wasn't true, but they also voted in a terrorist group who did suicide bombing and makes childresn shows like the rabbit one. They are culpable to some extent on their own.Prove that the Palestinian people are not being abused and demoralized.
Prove it was purposeful all 59 casesProve every Medical Facility bombed was accident. All 59 cases.
Prove it wasn't.Prove that UN Humanitarian Aid trucks were hit on purpose or UN Facilities hit on purpose?
Prove they accidentally shot the paramedics?
honestly I don't care. the number killed by israel is far larger. Does that mean that Israel should accept the mortar fire?give me the number of people killed by rockets.
Then the number killed by Israel.
Prove that Hamas was ever not what the rest of the world considers a terrorist organization.Defend Israel.
PROVE IN *RECENT* TIMES THAT THE WORLD SUPPORTS ISRAEL.
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Some countries have recognized them as a genuine political party, while labeling the Militant wing a terrorist group,Prove that Hamas was ever not what the rest of the world considers a terrorist organization.
The particular tactics they have used, including the suicide bombings and stuff like that TV show.Some countries have recognized them as a genuine political party, while labeling the Militant wing a terrorist group,
I wonder what makes them a terrorist group and not a rebel or guerrilla type group?
Well suicide bombings have been renounced. The only excuse for these was an asymmetrical war, because one side has modern weapons and the other side has brainwashed religious zealots. That TV show is just horrendous. What the hell are these guys thinking? Do they not have a public relations person? Can they try to appear a little more peaceful?The particular tactics they have used, including the suicide bombings and stuff like that TV show.
I don't say the Israelis have done no wrong, however being under constant threat of destruction by all the neighbors that surround you from the day of your inception as a government and still no signs of even acceptance of your right to exist 60 years later would probably leave me doing similar things to some extent. Maybe not quite identical response, but i would never let a mortar firing go unpunished either. And as in all conflicts, if its going to be me or them, it will be them.
No, see if you are correct in the rest of what you are saying, the way the could strike deepest into Israel is to announce willingness to accept Israel as a nation with the formation of a 2 state region based on the original UN maps. It would prove that the Israeli's don't want peace if indeed they didn't, if they refused to move forward with negotiations. 2 states, plus jerusalem as a 3rd state, under a multinational control so that everyone can visit.While Hamas' only desperate way to strike deep into Israel is make shift rockets that are unguided, what else can they do? It's pathetic but that's what they're limited to.
No, see if you are correct in the rest of what you are saying, the way the could strike deepest into Israel is to announce willingness to accept Israel as a nation with the formation of a 2 state region based on the original UN maps. It would prove that the Israeli's don't want peace if indeed they didn't, if they refused to move forward with negotiations. 2 states, plus jerusalem as a 3rd state, under a multinational control so that everyone can visit.
But they are more about teaching hate, and all the arab nations even do the same towards each other. It becomes a battle of who runs their country more horribly stone aged, and anyone who runs their country less stone age than you is a heretic and non-believer in Islam, where thereby you have the right to subjugate them.
And seriously, saying that they renounced suicide bombings, I mean come on, they renounced them after the elections didn't they? And like you can actually believe them anyhow, with all the other craziness.
You need a history lesson:In 1947, Great Britain "owned" Palestine, and the transfer of that ownership to the Israelis was legal in view of the court of the UN.
Looking back to that time, what was envisioned (gasp) was a 2 state solution.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png/240px-UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png
And yet, the arab nations refused to accept it, attempted to take the land back from israel, which started this whole mess.
Honestly the UN map is retarded, as the 2 states should each be all contiguous, not chopped up like that. But it still could have worked like that. Basically all of the Palestinian "ire" comes from how badly Egypt and Jordan had their asses handed to them in 1967, as they attempted to "take back" the rest of Israel.
So again, from day 1 of its existence as a nation, the arab nations assaulted them, refused to accept them as a nation, and created the entire palestinian issue in so doing. Had the lands not been annexed as a part of the varied wars from the arab nations attacking Israel, nobody on the planet would be supportive of them holding them.
You need a history lesson:
Actually the original source of the info was Ghassan Kanafani, The 1936-1939 Revolt in Palestine .Sorry, history in not written by Ralph Schoenman.
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/ch03.htm
You are quoting the interpretation of Ralph Schoenmann as history which is comical at best.
No evidence to counter your claim.Why is it comical? Oh I forgot,things that contradict your worldview are to be ridiculed and discarded,gotcha.
COMMON FALLACIES IN REASONINGSorry, history in not written by Ralph Schoenman.
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/ch03.htm
Its comical because its nothing but an opinion of an admitted anti-American, activist. Its not unbiased nor is it comprehensive in its sources or viewpoint. Its an opinion piece, as it all your "facts". IF you actually call yourself a teacher yet quote Schoeman as a historial source then I feel sorry for your students.Why is it comical? Oh I forgot,things that contradict your worldview are to be ridiculed and discarded,gotcha.
nopeace,No evidence to counter your claim.
I think you have described yourself to a T Luther.Oh I forgot,things that contradict your worldview are to be ridiculed and discarded,gotcha.
Thanks Luther. If you actually read the article, it describes you perfectly and covers that topic. I guess you don't read what other people post. That would explain a lot.Anti Zionism is not Anti Semitism by Rabbi Ahron Cohen
http://www.ihrc.org.uk/060702/papers/ahron_cohen.pdf
Final post on this:Thanks Luther. If you actually read the article, it describes you perfectly and covers that topic. I guess you don't read what other people post. That would explain a lot.
"Conclusion: Identity and Ideology
It has often been asserted by left authors (for example, Noam Chomsky) that the link between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is a tenuous one. Chomsky asserts that the linkage is a device used by Zionists to squash dissent. Yet the linkage would not be possible—or at least would be much more difficult—if there was no past or current demonstration of anti-Semitism among Israel’s opponents. Simply stated, while it is absolutely true that all anti-Zionists are not Jew hating bigots, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic in intent.
Few would equate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. The most ardent Zionists are often the state’s harshest critics. Even Foster and Epstein admit:
Of course one can be unsympathetic to or oppose Israel’s position on specific issues without being anti-Jewish…But gratuitous and illegitimate assaults on Israel—whether they contain true anti-Semitism or betray a gross insensitivity to the profound meaning of Israel to Jews everywhere—provoke Jewish anger and awaken ancient Jewish anxieties. 4"
[4] Foster and Epstein, 17
Of course they would respond. Doesn't make it true. Its called opinion Luther. You might differentiate that from "fact" at one point....especially since you are a teacher.
Have you taken into consideration WHY they fire those rockets? I think your opinion would change if you have seen what the IDF has done to those people. there are currently 1300 soldier who refuse to serve because they know it is nothing but war crimes.Hi interesting post but let me tell you that the situation for the people who live in Israel is very difficult, i know because my grandmother lives in Rohovert near Tel Aviv so i can tell you that if you lived there maybe you would think very differently because one thing is quoting and hearing news and the other thing is living the real thing; all of the days you wake up you think that your house could be destroyed be an al kazzam rocket you could be in a bus or a train and maybe it will blow or in a mall or a restaurant and next thing you know your family and friends are dead. So i think is easy for you to say all that against Israel and the IDF but once again i can tell that these people only want to hurt you because you are a Jew ohhh and i can tell you that i was on the IDF tzanahim 32 brigade i was in there on december and you are wayyyy wrong.
peace lutherblsst
It's not okay.Yes insteresting videos everybody has a point of view...
So basically you are saying that it is okay to fire the rockets to innocent population and not to engage in battle with the army or other goverment agencies??
Is it okay to bomb a school or bus station or a mall ? and not the army??
They fire those rockets because they hate everybody who does not support their cause, they fire those rockets because they cannot face the idf and if you ask me i will serve Israel till the day i die i have been there so i know what i am talking about.
Yes insteresting videos everybody has a point of view...
So basically you are saying that it is okay to fire the rockets to innocent population and not to engage in battle with the army or other goverment agencies??
Is it okay for the IDF to bomb schools, hospital and UN supplie trucks?
Is it okay to bomb a school or bus station or a mall ? and not the army??
Is it okay for the IAF to target homes?
They fire those rockets because they hate everybody who does not support their cause, they fire those rockets because they cannot face the idf and if you ask me i will serve Israel till the day i die i have been there so i know what i am talking about.
Then why are 1300 soldiers refusing to serve in what they call "an army of occupation?
Well if you argue in a historical context then the Native Americans should recieve all the entire US.ok i can only argue for one side: Israel because the other side wants me and my family dead. You can research the other way and see the damage that Hamas terrorists have done in Israel, i think they are ruthless and vile against every human being including us and eu citizens that think that they are fighting for freedom.
I live my life in peace if not treathend by others, you see things from far away but here right in the center life is very different is almost unforgivable so for you is very easy to critize everybody but sometimes you have to fight for you and your loved ones basic survival you might call it. also if you check the news really deep you will find that the UN school you are talking about is really a safehouse a Hamas safehouse and army personel were attacked from that school.
1300 soldiers i really dont know but nobody said war is pretty so to each it's own.
Do you know what is the pettion of Israel for the returining of Palestininans land??
And the conflict goes way beyond that Search and you will find that Israelites were murdered and kicked out of the land by Palestinians and Persians way back
You contradict yourself,first you say "Unfortunately, there is no gentle handed way to engage an enemy who is dedicated to your destruction and follows absolutely no rules of engagement whatsoever, other than seeking maximum death and destruction with every strike. "It is Hamas that strikes first everytime and then uses civilians as human shields and pawns for propaganda purposes. Unfortunately, there is no gentle handed way to engage an enemy who is dedicated to your destruction and follows absolutely no rules of engagement whatsoever, other than seeking maximum death and destruction with every strike.
The Israelis don't target civilians the way the arabs do. They just don't pull back when the cowardly terrorists try to hide in the civilian population, nor should they.
Well thanks for your interpretation but I am looking forward to him explaining the contradictions in his post.I think that he meant by :"Unfortunately, there is no gentle handed way to engage an enemy who is dedicated to your destruction and follows absolutely no rules of engagement whatsoever, other than seeking maximum death and destruction with every strike" is that with your actions you will seek death and destruction for your enemy, in order to save your life and other people's lives and by enemy he meant enemy= person who is engaging you into battle, not civil unarmed population.
Peace
When the Israelis hit civilians, it is unintended collateral damage. When the arabs hit civilians, it is deliberate. You know this or you're only kidding yourself.Well thanks for your interpretation but I am looking forward to him explaining the contradictions in his post.
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