Yeah, but you could say the same about natural supplements, as far as making gains eventually without them. Although, I don't think you'll get much real gains with most natural supplements, but that's my opinion/anecdotal experience. If your gonna spend hundreds on "natural" supplements, looking for an edge or enhanced growth, why not just spend a couple hundred and get real gains in a few weeks. That's just my opinion. People use natural stuff for the same reason people use real gear. They want better/more/faster results.