Have some questions reguarding PCT First Cycle. What do you recommend?

[Amrein]

Super Mandro-550mg a day

Andro the giant-330mg a day

5% nutrition Organ Defender

Run this for a total of 4 weeks

For PCT
-Eradicate
-DAA
-Test booster you recommend?

Want to make sure I do this right, since it's my first. Don't want gyno and I want to keep my gains.

Thanks

 

[warbird01]

I recommend the same pct for all oral cycles:

Nolva
20/20/10/10
DAA (or any test booster)
3g/3g/3g/3g
Reduce XT (cortisol control)
0/0/3/3/3/3

I would also opt for Cycle Assist over Organ Defender.

 

[Bartmac36]

Add a SERM, at least something like BLR's Rebirth to your PCT. Eradicate might be more useful to have on hand for on-cycle rather than pct. other than that id say it looks good.

i will say youd see maximum results if run for 8 weeks instead of 4 but at 550mg a day of 1-andro you should see good results still

 

[booneman77]

If you don't add a serm to that pct, you've wasted your time and money.

Nolva or clomid are proven.

I'm also a big fan of reduce xt for cortisol as well as some natty anabolics like anabeta elite and Xgels to help you still feel your best in the gym while things recover.

 

[Amrein]

mod edit: don't ask. read rules. Or would blr Rebirth be sufficient? Definitely picking up a bottle of reduce XT

Also if I ran this for 8 weeks would this harm my body in anyway over running it for 4?

I also know for pct nutrition is key

Thanks

 

[booneman77]

Or would blr Rebirth be sufficient? Definitely picking up a bottle of reduce XT

Also if I ran this for 8 weeks would this harm my body in anyway over running it for 4?

I also know for pct nutrition is key

Thanks

You can't ask for sources on AM for illegal/grey market stuff.

Rebirth has limited feedback, but does seem to have potential. For a light cycle you might be ok but why risk it.

Running for 8 weeks could have negative effects on bp, liver, hdl/ldl vals, etc. just keep an eye on things you can check regularly and get bloodwork if you're concerned. This is the case with any orals. 4 weeks is too short IMO. 6-8 is def better.

 

[Amrein]

So what If I, kicked out the andro the giant and just ran the super Mandro for 8 weeks at 550mg a day? Isn't the andro the giant just for libido and lethargic ? I could just take GNC performance and vitality vitamin pack instead of the giant. I work at gnc and can get it cheap.

1 Andro 550mg for 8 weeks lol should yield some good results.

 

[booneman77]

Vitamins will not replace a test base.

 

[Amrein]

Mandro 550mg a day
8 weeks
Andro the Giant 330mg a day
8 weeks
Ostashred Heard this is good to stack really helps to lean out?
8 weeks
Vitamin and fish oil
8 weeks
CLE Cycle assist
8 weeks

PCT 4 weeks
Pct 3x
3gr. DAA a day
BLR rebirth
Reduce XT
CLE cycle assist
Multi vitamin
Fish oil

Look good?

 

[booneman77]

I wouldn't bother with the osta personally unless you're cutting

 

[Amrein]

Well I would like to lean out while putting on that mass. Does it definitely work as a cutting agent? Also It has an AI in there.

Thanks man

 

[Amrein]

Not sure if running super mandro/andro the gian/ ostashred at the same time for 8 weeks would be such a good idea on the liver.

So I'll probably throw the ostashred out and it will save me $65 or so lol

Taking out DAA in my pct so it looks like this now:

PCT
-Post Cycle 3x
-Black Lion Research Viron
-CEL cycle assist
-Black Lion Research Rebirth
-Reduce XT
-Multi vitamin
-Fish oil
-Creatine creapure 5gr. A day

 

[booneman77]

Well I would like to lean out while putting on that mass. Does it definitely work as a cutting agent? Also It has an AI in there.

Thanks man

It didn't help me drop one ounce of fat. If anything it actually slowed mine down in the later weeks. It's great for keeping muscle but as far as actually helping to drop fat, it was awful for me. Your diet will dictate most of that anyways and if you want to gain mass then you can't be in a deficit.

 

[Amrein]

Do I need start with a lower dose and work my way up with mandro?

 

[demonfox]

Do I need start with a lower dose and work my way up with mandro?

People usually start off with 330 and then slowly up the dosage over 1-2 weeks.
I just started mine today with 330. My plan is to have 330 the first two weeks and then see where I'm at.

 

[Amrein]

What if I didn't start slow and went 5-6 a day throughout?

 

[demonfox]

Don't quote me on this. This might be just bro science coming out of my mouth but it could be that there's a threshold above which additional dosage won't mean additional gain. Cause your body hasn't been introduced with the compound yet so your body will automatically grow with the lower dosage but only upto a certain point. Above that point you would be just wasting your money.
Like I said, this might all be a bro science as I have no scientific background about this specific topic

 

[Amrein]

I think its a good idea to start out lower and work your way up so with that being said

CYCLE 6 weeks
Super Mandro
330 mg 1st week
330 mg 2nd week
550 mg 3rd week
550 mg 4th week
550 mg 5th week
550 mg 6th week
I will be 2 caps short lol
Andro the giant
220 mg a day
5% Liver Organ Defender
Multi
Fish oil
Creatine Creapure
5gr. a day

PCT 4 weeks
5% Liver organ defender
Reduce XT
BLR Rebirth
BLR Viron
PCT 3x
BSL eradicate
run after cycle, 10 days into pct
Creatine creapure
5gr. A day
Fish oil
Multi Vitamin

 

[booneman77]

No on cycle support? You only have liver care?

 

[KilaCali]

Mandro 550mg a day
8 weeks
Andro the Giant 330mg a day
8 weeks
Ostashred Heard this is good to stack really helps to lean out?
8 weeks
Vitamin and fish oil
8 weeks
CLE Cycle assist
8 weeks

PCT 4 weeks
Pct 3x
3gr. DAA a day
BLR rebirth
Reduce XT
CLE cycle assist
Multi vitamin
Fish oil

Look good?

That looks pretty damn good! CEL Cycle assist at 3-5caps a day is great on and off cycle for your entire organ protection Try throwing in a good OTC AI for on and off cycle like Letrone or something with a strong Arimistane dose like EL1M1NATE, so far ive had great results after a heavy cycle on the BLR Stack (Letrone/Rebirth/Viron/Prolactrone/Follidrone) was using DAA the first week til I ran out, I think it helped a little but its more of a long term thing, I also am using 5a-hydroxy-laxogenin in transdermal form but that's all im using and so far great results.

 

[Amrein]

I'll buy the CEL cycle assist instead of organ defender for on and off cycle.

So black lion research would be better than eradicat? When would it be best to introduce this?

Thanks

 

[KilaCali]

I'll buy the CEL cycle assist instead of organ defender for on and off cycle.

So black lion research would be better than eradicat? When would it be best to introduce this?

Thanks

As far as the strength of AI's it def seems to be more potent then Arimistane (the ingredient in eradicate) I would use it at 1-2 caps on cycle and 1 cap in PCT unless you notice any elevated estrogen issues then use 2 caps (1cap 2x a day), I've been using 2 a day so far in my PCT started at 3 for the first week and been working great.