I have used it before and you can find it very inexpensive online. However, I don't have any faith in the quality control of the company and who knows whats actually in the powder. If your looking for a pre-workout "all-in-one" drink look at mst ragnarook, man clout, controlled labs green magnitude or just do a search on the forum. You will find that these are just as good as a deal for a far superior product. Look at the board sponsors they make great stuff.