Hey fellas, I will be starting to cut next week and I looked into Glutamine for preserving muscle mass. Wanted your opinion on whether or not it's good at preserving muscle mass.
1. Creatine can do the same, plus its cheaper.Iron Warrior, Glutamine increases cell volume which increases protein synthesis, thats ideal for adding muscle mass(or bulking).
Studies show that adding glutamine to protein supplements increases protein synthesis more than protein alone.
For a serious bodybuilder, there is nothing non-essential about glutamine. The research is more than conclusive that the levels of glutamine (and cysteine) are chemical determinants of whether you will lose or gain muscle mass.
Kinscherf.R et al. Low plasma glutamine in combination with high glutamine levels indicate risk for loss of body cell mass in healthy individuals: the effect of N-acetyl-cysteine. J.Mol.Med. vol 74:393-400 1996.
Except glutamine wont absorb in a high protein dietIron Warrior, Glutamine increases cell volume which increases protein synthesis, thats ideal for adding muscle mass(or bulking).
Studies show that adding glutamine to protein supplements increases protein synthesis more than protein alone.
Glutamine is a supplement hence NOT ESSENTIAL to the diet. Glutamine does nothing protein powder and/pr whole foods do not do.For a serious bodybuilder, there is nothing non-essential about glutamine. The research is more than conclusive that the levels of glutamine (and cysteine) are chemical determinants of whether you will lose or gain muscle mass.
Remember the question was as pertains to cutting.4. That study was done on patients with low glutamine levels. During bulking you aren't even close to having low glutamine levels, especially with your pre-workout shake/meal.
And I answered it as it pertains to cutting. Take it properly and it can work even though the same can be achieved with a protein source. Take it improperly, it will be converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis. You don't buy it as a fuel source.
Remember the question was as pertains to cutting.
Except glutamine wont absorb in a high protein diet
Glutamine is a supplement hence NOT ESSENTIAL to the diet. Glutamine does nothing protein powder and/pr whole foods do not do.
Glutamine absorbs just fine in a high protein diet, FYI. Glutamine is essential in preventing catabolic muscle wasting in a cutting cycle, and is needed because the body cannot manufacture enough to prevent soft tissue breakdown at this time. Facts any seasoned bb'er will verify from first-hand experience
Bobo, you are the master in this area, and I will debate you no further.
And I answered it as it pertains to cutting. Take it properly and it can work even though the same can be achieved with a protein source. Take it improperly, it will be converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis. You don't buy it as a fuel source.
You were the first to mention bulking so I addressed that also.
Bring it on John!!!
Protein and glutamine are both necessary. Most bodybuilders use both. Even if it was placebo, who cares. As long as the results are real and lasting. And thousands of experienced lifters, including myself will attest to the fact that results obtained with glutamine cannot be obtained with protein alone.
Or placebo & opinion
Why do bodybuilders use protein? Hell, we should all ditch protein and everyone use glutamine! You make it sound like its on the same level of importance as protein. Protein is not only anti-catabolic, but it builds muscle and contains more than enough glutamine for those who think its necessary in larger amounts. Why do you think people up the amount of protein they consume during a low calories, aerobic cycle? Hmm....to preserve muscle.
What the hell do I look like?!!?!
Glutamine absorbs just fine in a high protein diet, FYI. Glutamine is essential in preventing catabolic muscle wasting in a cutting cycle, and is needed because the body cannot manufacture enough to prevent soft tissue breakdown at this time. Facts any seasoned bb'er will verify from first-hand experience
You keep using "most bodybuilders use it" as a scapegoat, as if anyone gives a ****. Bodybuilders also use illicit drugs in high amounts, so we should all do that too aye? And once again, your opinion doesnt mean anything, personal testimonials do not serve as a valid response to any debate. If thats all you have, then once again this debate is over and chalk another one up for the bee.
Protein and glutamine are both necessary. Most bodybuilders use both. Even if it was placebo, who cares. As long as the results are real and lasting. And thousands of experienced lifters, including myself will attest to the fact that results obtained with glutamine cannot be obtained with protein alone.
My exams are over for a while. I'm just sitting here watching war coverage and have nothing else to do.
Bobo, you are the master in this area, and I will debate you no further.
Please stop debating on matters about which you are clueless. Start lifting weights and maybe you will get a clue as to what we are discussing here.
You keep using "most bodybuilders use it" as a scapegoat, as if anyone gives a ****. Bodybuilders also use illicit drugs in high amounts, so we should all do that too aye? And once again, your opinion doesnt mean anything, personal testimonials do not serve as a valid response to any debate. If thats all you have, then once again this debate is over and chalk another one up for the bee.
Show me a pic and I'll let you know.
What the hell do I look like?!!?!
Ahhh...you poor little skinny dude!Fair enough. Bad news. I'm down to 227
Umm...........a really ugly clown from hell?Originally posted by Bobo
What the hell do I look like?!!?!
This is hilarious!
Umm...........a really ugly clown from hell?