washingtonirvin
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I am planning my first bulking cycle. I am not a competitive bodybuilder, but more of a weightlifting enthusiast who wants to be more jacked. Since I have no fat on me (I'm guessing 7-8%), this means that I stand to benefit from some bulking. I do not want to compromise my health with this cycle, especially in the long term.
Along with staying healthy, my main goal for this cycle is to keep as much of my gains as humanly possible.
Me: 28, 6', 170, guessing 7-8% bodyfat
Short Term Goal: get to 180 ASAP as a waypoint, and stay above 180.
Long Term Goal: see how 190 works for me, stay there if I like it. Somewhere around 193 could be a good long-term weight for me.
Why on earth a guy who is 6' and 170 is even thinking about gear: I have 14 years experience with weight training! When I reached my full height 10 years ago, I weighed 145. So, 25 pounds of completely lean, permanent gains. And I am pretty strong. Strong, but not big. If you know any cute girls who are into guys who can get 3 reps at 270 on the lat pulldown machine, please introduce me. Until then, methinks I need some mass. 170 has emerged as a type of natural limit for me. When I try to exceed it by stuffing myself, taking creatine, and lifting 5x 1 hour per week, I end up exhausted and with digestive problems. I was diagnosed with Crohn's in 2004. Thank god I am not sick now. But the lining of my gut is sensitive, making creatine intake and caloric increases difficult for me to sustain. This, and I am natually pretty slim. So take a hardgainer who has reached a long-term weight plateau, and give him a sensitive stomach. Sounds like he should forget about making progress in terms of mass. Unless...
So mass is the order of the day, and it may come more slowly to me than to other first-cyclers. I want to make up for this by keeping my gains to the fullest possible extent. There are two possibilities I am considering. I have a feeling people on this board will prefer the one that involves taking test. I am particularly curious to hear responses that engage me as an individual, and less interested in responses that seek to establish that particular ergogenic aids "suck".
Anyone who has spent even a little time on these boards knows that test is the best mass builder. But I wonder if it is best for my needs. I could easily see myself blowing up to 180 on a test only cycle, then dropping down to 175 in spite of an anavar bridge and appropriate post cycle therapy. This doesn't interest me much.
If I take test, I want to combine it with something that will enable me to keep the majority of my gains. I am interested Schering Primobolan Depot, since it has a reputation for promoting gains that are easier to keep than anything else out there.
I don't want to do more than 7 weeks for my first cycle (5 weeks bulking, then a 2 week bridge), though I would consider extending this in a subsequent cycle depending on results. I am also going to stick with conservative dosages. Remember this is for an amateur who wants to avoid sides, not a 260 pound beast in the making.
Here it is: 250mg Sustanon plus 100mg Primobolan every 5 days for the first 5 weeks of the cycle (that's 7 doses, for a total of 1750mg Sustanon, 700mg Primobolan in the main part of the cycle). To consolidate my gains, I would take 250mg Primobolan at the beginning of weeks 6 and 7, plus 30mg anavar daily during weeks 6-7, then initiate PCT. I imagine I could get at least 7 or 8 pounds of quality, long term gains from this cycle if I play my cards right.
The only things that make me hesitate about this cycle are the possibility of losing the majority of my gains as well as some of my hair. I noticed fallout with DHEA, which I stopped with saw palmetto and rogaine. I would use both of these on this (or any other) cycle. I want to be big, not bald.
The other option involves a compound that may be particularly suited for my needs: boldenone (aka Equipoise or eq). Boldenone is famous for dramatically increasing the appetite. I need all the motivation I can get to eat, so boldenone may be the ticket for me. On the downside, it can increase the pulse and cause anxiety in high doses, so I would stick with 200mg every five days for starters. If I wanted anything like the aforementioned gains with this, I would need to add more of something, and that something could be Primobolan. I would take 300mg with each dose of boldenone. This combo would go for the first five weeks. Then I would run Primobolan 300mg per week plus anavar 30mg/day for the last two weeks of the cycle. I wouldn't blow up as much on this cycle, but I might just end up with the same long-term gains due to the appetite stimulation that comes with boldenone.
The combination of these two is described thusly by Peter "Big Cat" Van Mol (please don't characterize him as an "idiot" in your responses): "There is a slight merit in stacking Methenolone with boldenone, because apart from its 1-methyl group, methenolone is basically DHB, the 5-alpha-reduced form of boldenone. But since boldenone itself has very low affinity for 5-alpha-reduction, it should have a good synergistic effect stacking the two at 300 mg/week each."
Allow me to write out these cycles for head to head comparison. Remember that my goal is to gain at least 10 pounds of muscle that I can keep, but it is fine with me if this takes 2 or even 3 cycles, provided that I actually keep the gains.
Sustanon 250 + Primobolan Depot Cycle:
Days 1, 6, 11, 16, 21, 26, 31: Sustanon 250mg, Primobolan 100mg
Days 36, 43: Primobolan 250mg
Days 36-49: Anavar 30mg
Total Intake: Sustanon 1750mg, Primobolan 1200mg, Anavar 420mg
Total Cost: Sustanon $105 + Primobolan $180 + Anavar $10 (yeah, baby) = $295
Boldenone + Primobolan Depot Cycle:
Days 1, 6, 11, 16, 21, 26, 31: Boldenone 200mg, Primobolan 300mg
Days 36, 43: Primobolan 300mg
Days 36-49: Anavar 30mg
Total Intake: Boldenone 1400mg, Primobolan 2100mg, Anavar 420mg
Total Cost: Boldenone $70 + Primobolan $315 + Anavar $10 = $395
In terms of your responses, the only test I will consider for this cycle is Sustanon. If you wish to suggest other tests for future cycles I welcome this.
The Primobolan is more open to amendment, if you know of something that is better at producing long-term gains with minimal sides. I would consider masteron if you think it wouldn't kill my hair, but not deca (too many sides), unless something like 150mg deca every 5 days could be done without sides. Same goes for something like masteron or trenabol. Let me know.
I eagerly await your responses, and hope that I haven't gone on too long. Just don't say I didn't do my homework!
I am planning my first bulking cycle. I am not a competitive bodybuilder, but more of a weightlifting enthusiast who wants to be more jacked. Since I have no fat on me (I'm guessing 7-8%), this means that I stand to benefit from some bulking. I do not want to compromise my health with this cycle, especially in the long term.
Along with staying healthy, my main goal for this cycle is to keep as much of my gains as humanly possible.
Me: 28, 6', 170, guessing 7-8% bodyfat
Short Term Goal: get to 180 ASAP as a waypoint, and stay above 180.
Long Term Goal: see how 190 works for me, stay there if I like it. Somewhere around 193 could be a good long-term weight for me.
Why on earth a guy who is 6' and 170 is even thinking about gear: I have 14 years experience with weight training! When I reached my full height 10 years ago, I weighed 145. So, 25 pounds of completely lean, permanent gains. And I am pretty strong. Strong, but not big. If you know any cute girls who are into guys who can get 3 reps at 270 on the lat pulldown machine, please introduce me. Until then, methinks I need some mass. 170 has emerged as a type of natural limit for me. When I try to exceed it by stuffing myself, taking creatine, and lifting 5x 1 hour per week, I end up exhausted and with digestive problems. I was diagnosed with Crohn's in 2004. Thank god I am not sick now. But the lining of my gut is sensitive, making creatine intake and caloric increases difficult for me to sustain. This, and I am natually pretty slim. So take a hardgainer who has reached a long-term weight plateau, and give him a sensitive stomach. Sounds like he should forget about making progress in terms of mass. Unless...
So mass is the order of the day, and it may come more slowly to me than to other first-cyclers. I want to make up for this by keeping my gains to the fullest possible extent. There are two possibilities I am considering. I have a feeling people on this board will prefer the one that involves taking test. I am particularly curious to hear responses that engage me as an individual, and less interested in responses that seek to establish that particular ergogenic aids "suck".
Anyone who has spent even a little time on these boards knows that test is the best mass builder. But I wonder if it is best for my needs. I could easily see myself blowing up to 180 on a test only cycle, then dropping down to 175 in spite of an anavar bridge and appropriate post cycle therapy. This doesn't interest me much.
If I take test, I want to combine it with something that will enable me to keep the majority of my gains. I am interested Schering Primobolan Depot, since it has a reputation for promoting gains that are easier to keep than anything else out there.
I don't want to do more than 7 weeks for my first cycle (5 weeks bulking, then a 2 week bridge), though I would consider extending this in a subsequent cycle depending on results. I am also going to stick with conservative dosages. Remember this is for an amateur who wants to avoid sides, not a 260 pound beast in the making.
Here it is: 250mg Sustanon plus 100mg Primobolan every 5 days for the first 5 weeks of the cycle (that's 7 doses, for a total of 1750mg Sustanon, 700mg Primobolan in the main part of the cycle). To consolidate my gains, I would take 250mg Primobolan at the beginning of weeks 6 and 7, plus 30mg anavar daily during weeks 6-7, then initiate PCT. I imagine I could get at least 7 or 8 pounds of quality, long term gains from this cycle if I play my cards right.
The only things that make me hesitate about this cycle are the possibility of losing the majority of my gains as well as some of my hair. I noticed fallout with DHEA, which I stopped with saw palmetto and rogaine. I would use both of these on this (or any other) cycle. I want to be big, not bald.
The other option involves a compound that may be particularly suited for my needs: boldenone (aka Equipoise or eq). Boldenone is famous for dramatically increasing the appetite. I need all the motivation I can get to eat, so boldenone may be the ticket for me. On the downside, it can increase the pulse and cause anxiety in high doses, so I would stick with 200mg every five days for starters. If I wanted anything like the aforementioned gains with this, I would need to add more of something, and that something could be Primobolan. I would take 300mg with each dose of boldenone. This combo would go for the first five weeks. Then I would run Primobolan 300mg per week plus anavar 30mg/day for the last two weeks of the cycle. I wouldn't blow up as much on this cycle, but I might just end up with the same long-term gains due to the appetite stimulation that comes with boldenone.
The combination of these two is described thusly by Peter "Big Cat" Van Mol (please don't characterize him as an "idiot" in your responses): "There is a slight merit in stacking Methenolone with boldenone, because apart from its 1-methyl group, methenolone is basically DHB, the 5-alpha-reduced form of boldenone. But since boldenone itself has very low affinity for 5-alpha-reduction, it should have a good synergistic effect stacking the two at 300 mg/week each."
Allow me to write out these cycles for head to head comparison. Remember that my goal is to gain at least 10 pounds of muscle that I can keep, but it is fine with me if this takes 2 or even 3 cycles, provided that I actually keep the gains.
Sustanon 250 + Primobolan Depot Cycle:
Days 1, 6, 11, 16, 21, 26, 31: Sustanon 250mg, Primobolan 100mg
Days 36, 43: Primobolan 250mg
Days 36-49: Anavar 30mg
Total Intake: Sustanon 1750mg, Primobolan 1200mg, Anavar 420mg
Total Cost: Sustanon $105 + Primobolan $180 + Anavar $10 (yeah, baby) = $295
Boldenone + Primobolan Depot Cycle:
Days 1, 6, 11, 16, 21, 26, 31: Boldenone 200mg, Primobolan 300mg
Days 36, 43: Primobolan 300mg
Days 36-49: Anavar 30mg
Total Intake: Boldenone 1400mg, Primobolan 2100mg, Anavar 420mg
Total Cost: Boldenone $70 + Primobolan $315 + Anavar $10 = $395
In terms of your responses, the only test I will consider for this cycle is Sustanon. If you wish to suggest other tests for future cycles I welcome this.
The Primobolan is more open to amendment, if you know of something that is better at producing long-term gains with minimal sides. I would consider masteron if you think it wouldn't kill my hair, but not deca (too many sides), unless something like 150mg deca every 5 days could be done without sides. Same goes for something like masteron or trenabol. Let me know.
I eagerly await your responses, and hope that I haven't gone on too long. Just don't say I didn't do my homework!