btw, the IC deal is incredible.
I know what the second ingredient is. What's the first one?
Got to the page and saw no science on it. Not even google knows. Its a secret.I know what the second ingredient is. What's the first one?
Aegeline from OEPI know what the second ingredient is. What's the first one?
I believe there was info on the first page the IC link directs you to.Got to the page and saw no science on it. Not even google knows. Its a secret.
so this means the product is useless ? Or am I missing something?The first ingredient is "Aegeline," which is an amide that will be immediately hydrolyzed into para-methoxy-octopamine. In murine models, octopamine is a fairly potent beta-3-agonist, however in human adipocytes, octopamine is inert.
In terms of beta-3 potency (in some animal models), Octopamine > Para-methoxy-octopamine. This factoid is irrelevant for humans, however.
and what about this ingredient is anabolic???
From hightowerpharmacology (dot) blogspot (dot) com (dot) au/
"Unfortunately, the anabolism that aegeline induces is likely restricted to adipocytes since humans are extremely insensitive to beta(3)-AR agonism. In the studies in which aegeline demonstrated antihyperglycemic and antihyperlipidemic properties, the animals utilized were both murine which, as described above, are beta(3)-AR receptor sensitive. Furthermore, these animals were tested against specific disease pathologies to amplify their effects. It should go without saying that the results produced will probably not translate to humans."
Just more hype..
Yes, it's fine to use them together. I'd recommend you take Versa-1 with stims, and OEP (both versions) would be a good option.Is it ok to use Oxy Elite Pro with Versa-1 since both contain Aegeline ?
Solid choice...Seems like with all the testers seeing such good results there would be something to this?
weird, I think I will wait a while to try some, even tho that seems like a good deal
Should I hold my breath for a higenamine-only stimulant? Surely if it's a good stimulant, it doesn't need to be paired with other stimulants in order to induce stimulation? I am not biased at all, and I haven't used ursolic acid for years - needless to say I wasn't impressed with it.He said the same about higenamine.
You know he works for a supplement company.....He is biased...He loves urosolic acid...we all know how that went..
awesome. more for meI've found all the hype on this to be hilarious.
No thanks.
Yes..Can this be stacked with eca?
Curious; you do realise that alot of plant extracts are used in supplements with promising benefits? L-Dopa from Mucuna pruriens (a plant is one example), Ursolic Acid is found in many plants; apples being a common source, Anacyclus pyrethrum found in Anabeta is, you guessed it, from a plant.Lmao, add it to the 'stellar' product line which already includes water chestnuts (prime) by USP.
USP should stick to what it does best: Jack3d.
don't forget cocaineCurious; you do realise that alot of plant extracts are used in supplements with promising benefits? L-Dopa from Mucuna pruriens (a plant is one example), Ursolic Acid is found in many plants; apples being a common source, Anacyclus pyrethrum found in Anabeta is, you guessed it, from a plantdont
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These are just the examples I have from the top of my head and yet all provide various dbenefits.
And boom goes the dynamite!For the sissy's who don't buy it you are foolish. A money back guarantee. If you don't like what you see and feel in 14 days.... Return it. Just put your balls on the table and take the f in challenge.
No need to stack it at all. The alpha testers ran the product solo with the exception of staples and stimulants (which some consider a staple). I believe all the talk of stacking is related to how it "can" be stacked with most products.Does this work WITHOUT needing to stack it with something else? Every other post I read is that it should be stacked with product x,y or z. If it works then why do I need to stack it?
At least one of the testers was female, and she had good results while cutting. Her log is on the USP forum under the name classic34.Any reason why the women wouldn't benefit as greatly from this as the men? I've got a wife who has here eyes on one of my Versa bottles coming...
Every single supplement in the market is found in nature. That's one of the legal requirements behind "dietary supplements."Curious; you do realise that alot of plant extracts are used in supplements with promising benefits? L-Dopa from Mucuna pruriens (a plant is one example), Ursolic Acid is found in many plants; apples being a common source, Anacyclus pyrethrum found in Anabeta is, you guessed it, from a plant.
These are just the examples I have from the top of my head and yet all provide various benefits.
Ahh...Thanks.At least one of the testers was female, and she had good results while cutting. Her log is on the USP forum under the name classic34.
Aww, I was about to say thatEvery single supplement in the market is found in nature. That's one of the legal requirements behind "dietary supplements."
Spot on! Thank you!No need to stack it at all. The alpha testers ran the product solo with the exception of staples and stimulants (which some consider a staple). I believe all the talk of stacking is related to how it "can" be stacked with most products.
Hi Memphis_slim. I was one of the alpha testers for VERSA-1 and I experienced largely the same effects as the male testers did. The most outstanding features for me were enhanced neuromuscular connection, increased mental and physical endurance, and strength. You can check out my log here (final review is on page 10): http://usplabsdirect.com/forum/topic/12114-alpha-female-testing-classic34s-patented-anabolic-log-of-swol3-times-and-jack3d-fibraz/Any reason why the women wouldn't benefit as greatly from this as the men? I've got a wife who has here eyes on one of my Versa bottles coming...
Thanks Breezy.At least one of the testers was female, and she had good results while cutting. Her log is on the USP forum under the name classic34.
Hi Memphis_slim. I was one of the alpha testers for VERSA-1 and I experienced largely the same effects as the male testers did. The most outstanding features for me were enhanced neuromuscular connection, increased mental and physical endurance, and strength. You can check out my log here (final review is on page 10):
Thanks for the link to your log! I read it last night and let my wife know where to find it. Fantastic job on it. My wife is planning on competing at the USA's this year in Las Vegas and I was hoping that she might get an extra boost from trying the Versa-1. After reading your log, I'm sure she will.
Great post. Thank you!Hi Memphis_slim. I was one of the alpha testers for VERSA-1 and I experienced largely the same effects as the male testers did. The most outstanding features for me were enhanced neuromuscular connection, increased mental and physical endurance, and strength. You can check out my log here (final review is on page 10): http://usplabsdirect.com/forum/topic/12114-alpha-female-testing-classic34s-patented-anabolic-log-of-swol3-times-and-jack3d-fibraz/
Thanks Breezy.
Thank you Ricroc!Nice profile pic, classic34!
No prob! Wow...what division does she compete in? If she has any questions regarding VERSA-1 or anything else she can PM me here on AM or on our home board. We need more women around these parts! I'll be around.Thanks for the link to your log! I read it last night and let my wife know where to find it. Fantastic job on it. My wife is planning on competing at the USA's this year in Las Vegas and I was hoping that she might get an extra boost from trying the Versa-1. After reading your log, I'm sure she will.
She competes in figure (5'2"-5'3"). I'll let her know to shoot you any questions she may have. Thanks for your willingness to help!Thank you Ricroc!
No prob! Wow...what division does she compete in? If she has any questions regarding VERSA-1 or anything else she can PM me here on AM or on our home board. We need more women around these parts! I'll be around.
Thank you. Versa-1 is right inline with jack3d. Introducing a game changer. Stacking is recommend.Lmao, add it to the 'stellar' product line which already includes water chestnuts (prime) by USP.
USP should stick to what it does best: Jack3d.
Try using 200mg caffeine soloShould I hold my breath for a higenamine-only stimulant? Surely if it's a good stimulant, it doesn't need to be paired with other stimulants in order to induce stimulation? I am not biased at all, and I haven't used ursolic acid for years - needless to say I wasn't impressed with it.
and repeat with Higenamine....Try using 200mg caffeine solo
Then try using 25mg ephedrine solo
Then try using 25mg ephedrine and 200mg caffeine combined
Caffeine, ephedrine, and 1,3-DMAA, produce stimulant effects on there own. This is why they each have solo preparations.Try using 200mg caffeine solo
Then try using 25mg ephedrine solo
Then try using 25mg ephedrine and 200mg caffeine combined
I don't really see the need. It has an 8 minute half-life, and an absurdly low oral bioavailability.and repeat with Higenamine....
You don't have an understanding of half-life or bioavailability. These are not determining factors of effectiveness.I don't really see the need. It has an 8 minute half-life, and an absurdly low oral bioavailability.
Bioavailability and half-life absolutely are "factors" of effectiveness.You don't have an understanding of half-life or bioavailability. These are not determining factors of effectiveness.
If you had independent thought, you wouldn't follow one man's advice blindly...
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