Epistane vs. Anavar

[jtcastro1]

Yeah its not as toxic as superdrol or anadrol. But alot of ppl over react with liver toxicity. Var isn't super liver toxic but it does fcuk with the lipids more than people think. Look up some lipid values after a var cycle, it's alot harsher than some think

 

[gymrat827]

Yeah its not as toxic as superdrol or anadrol. But alot of ppl over react with liver toxicity. Var isn't super liver toxic but it does fcuk with the lipids more than people think. Look up some lipid values after a var cycle, it's alot harsher than some think

I think its mainly dose dependent and cycle length. Your right about SD and anadrol, not as bad but when you go 7-8wks at 70-80mg it can get real bad, most people think its almost harmless too which it isnt at all.

 

[Rodja]

Which would you guess is more liver toxic?

I would say this is a push. They're both mild in terms of hepatoxicity.

 

[jtcastro1]

I definitely agree gymrat. Alot is dose dependent and how ppl respond. Some ppl get fcuked up with 10mg of superdrol and others can run it at 30mg no problem. Same with var and every other compound

 

[maniac0614]

Var/epi cycle any one?

 

[jtcastro1]

Var/epi cycle any one?

Stacked or bridged?

 

[Rodja]

Test P and Var. If you can get Var, you can get Prop and will have less sides and more beneficial.

 

[JBowling]

Test P and Var. If you can get Var, you can get Prop and will have less sides and more beneficial.

Just started an Epi cycle yesterday. I obviously agree with most people on here that you will get better results with the Var. But cost is a factor for me, thats why i went with the Epi. It was suggested to me to run it like this:
4 weeks @
20mg 1st three days, 30mg next 3 days, then 40mg/day for the remainder of the cycle. Thoughts?

 

[wideguy]

100mg ed of var is amazing imo, and as far as I have ever known it does not dry up your joints and is usually on the list with deca and eq for helping out with the joints.

 

[Pro_MAX]

Anavar is great! I have had some good cycles with Epistine.

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

This was a great thread, just going back and reading through it again. I didn't wanna start a brand new thread to ask this. But someone mentioned a page back that var was basically THE oral for cutting. So instead of doing an epi vs var comparison, how about some input on var vs winny from those who have run both? I've never ran either, but will be in the future at some point.

 

[jason1000]

Epi didn"t really do much for me except give me decent pumps. I never tried var but prob will if I can find it cheap.

 

[Lightweight1]

Epi didn"t really do much for me except give me decent pumps. I never tried var but prob will if I can find it cheap.

Goodluck best I could find was 1$ a 10mg pill.

 

[motiv8er]

This was a great thread, just going back and reading through it again. I didn't wanna start a brand new thread to ask this. But someone mentioned a page back that var was basically THE oral for cutting. So instead of doing an epi vs var comparison, how about some input on var vs winny from those who have run both? I've never ran either, but will be in the future at some point.

What kills me with winny is the dryness I get. I have old busted dude joints so even though I love its fat killing drying...its too rough for me..love var.

 

[abformulations]

Does var cause hairloss? Might give it a solo run if I can find it around sept.

 

[abformulations]

Ive been reading on var and have been seeing that a pct is not needed. I find it weird. Is it that mild if not ran above 100mg? I'm talking about running it solo

 

[Jahcuree]

Ive been reading on var and have been seeing that a pct is not needed. I find it weird. Is it that mild if not ran above 100mg? I'm talking about running it solo

You are still going to need a pct var at 100mg or even less is suppressive for sure

 

[Evil]

Oxandrolone is the best. Oxandrolone Pharma Grade like Oxandrin can also be used at doses as low as 20mg or 30mg to get decent results. Oxandrolone UG must use a minimum dose of 50mg to procure some effect. Unfortunately it is a steroid highly counterfeited.

 

[abformulations]

You are still going to need a pct var at 100mg or even less is suppressive for sure

I figured you do need one.

 

[abformulations]

Oxandrolone is the best. Oxandrolone Pharma Grade like Oxandrin can also be used at doses as low as 20mg or 30mg to get decent results. Oxandrolone UG must use a minimum dose of 50mg to procure some effect. Unfortunately it is a steroid highly counterfeited.

I need to research this more. The more I read te better it sounds. Sucks that it's counterfeited a lot and makes it harder to find legit ones, especially it being expensive to run

 

[rabz]

Ive been reading on var and have been seeing that a pct is not needed. I find it weird. Is it that mild if not ran above 100mg? I'm talking about running it solo

Regardless if the AAS someone uses it will still need a real pct. always take care of the sac.

 

[abformulations]

Regardless if the AAS someone uses it will still need a real pct. always take care of the sac.

Yea ik...I never take anything without a proper pct lined up. I was just reading and some said its not needed in which i found weird...

 

[rabz]

Some guys say that because it doesn't convert and actually has the ability to reverse some gyno which is cool. Unfortunately it still shuts the ole sac down. I ran a natty pct program the first time I ever did it because I was uneducated and lost almost all my gains. It sucked. However I did rebound okay from it. However the second time I ran a proper pct regimen and kept dang near everything and bounced back hella fast.

 

[abformulations]

Yea I heard the gains you get and the fatloss u lose is pretty much easy to keep after cycle. This compound sounds great from all I've gathered. I looked around and for a 6 wk cycle it can run up in the 300's. Lol damn!

 

[B5150]

Brooklyn? Where you at in Brooklyn?

 

[abformulations]

Yea I heard the gains you get and the fatloss u lose is pretty much easy to keep after cycle. This compound sounds great from all I've gathered. I looked around and for a 6 wk cycle it can run up in the 300's. Lol damn!

 

[abformulations]

Brooklyn? Where you at in Brooklyn?

Williamsburg

 

[TheMeatus101]

Anavar produces better quality gains (so i've found) and gave me a more "hard" vascular look.

 

[B5150]

Williamsburg

Bay Ridge/Bensonhurst...long ago.

 

[abformulations]

Bay Ridge/Bensonhurst...long ago.

Ohh cool. Bay ridge is really nice now. I mean it always was lol. Where u at now? Left NY?

 

[B5150]

Moved to PHX in 1980

 

[chocolatemilk]

Moved to PHX in 1980

didn't know you're in phx Dunn... we gotta hit up the gym together... i'll teach the ol' dog some new tricks haha

 

[sobeguy305]

Thinking of running Epistane and Anavar together, any thought?
8 weeks Var 40-50 mg per day
Weeks 2-6 Epistane 30-40 mg per day
PCT and a SERM
any thoughts? Good mix?

 

[Swordfish II]

Var destroys VAT, much better vascularity and strength, extremely mild on lipids, and doesn't have any negatives on the joints.

i havent been able to find a whole lot of bloodwork for anavar only cycles.

do you have any?

i found two. with one, VAR jacked up lipids from 4 weeks at 20mg/d

the other, not much of an effect

also, i dont understand how it could not negatively effect joints, since it doesnt aromatize. naturally it would be suppressive to estrogen.

I know this is an old thread, just doing some epistane research. Just wanted to say the above is false. Var is far from mild on lipids, I saw the labs with jacked lipids but did a cycle anyway (about a year ago it was 50mg for 7 weeks), got bloods after and the doc was ready to send me to a cardiologist they were so bad.

I can probably dig them up if anyone is interested.

 

[uubiduu]

I know this is an old thread, just doing some epistane research. Just wanted to say the above is false. Var is far from mild on lipids, I saw the labs with jacked lipids but did a cycle anyway (about a year ago it was 50mg for 7 weeks), got bloods after and the doc was ready to send me to a cardiologist they were so bad.

I can probably dig them up if anyone is interested.

yes pls! very interested to see these bloods

 

[Swordfish II]

yes pls! very interested to see these bloods

You got it

Couldn't find the first test (My HDL was in the low teens) my AST and ALT were also pretty bad

Second test (about 2.5 weeks after PCT)
HDL: 21 (Normal Range > or = 40)
LDL: 470 (Normal Range <130)
Triglycerides: 94 (Normal Range <150)

3rd test about 2 weeks after the above
HDL: 41 (Normal Range > or = 40)
LDL: 387 (Normal Range <130)
Triglycerides: 41 (Normal Range <150)

Big improvement between each test but still wasn't good.

It took me over a month from the 3rd test to get my LDL down to 90. I usually am somewhere between 70-80.

 

[Gym4Life]

Anavar is like one if not the best oral steroid out their why someone has never made a ph out of it or something similar i dont know guess raws cost to much everyone would buy it if a good ph of anavar was made or clone

 

[Dr.Stri8ed]

Anavar is like one if not the best oral steroid out their why someone has never made a ph out of it or something similar i dont know guess raws cost to much everyone would buy it if a good ph of anavar was made or clone

Way too expensive, plus Epi is so cheap.

 

[anabolix]

Anavar is like one if not the best oral steroid out their why someone has never made a ph out of it or something similar i dont know guess raws cost to much everyone would buy it if a good ph of anavar was made or clone

I second this!!

 

[abformulations]

Way too expensive, plus Epi is so cheap.

I agree here, but would love to try Anavar some day

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Way too expensive, plus Epi is so cheap.

M4OHN

 

[Dr.Stri8ed]

M4OHN

Definitely have to try this.

 

[Dr.Stri8ed]

I agree here, but would love to try Anavar some day

Me too when I have like 300 bucks to spend on orals alone lol.

 

[abformulations]

Me too when I have like 300 bucks to spend on orals alone lol.

Lol sounds crazy

 

[Dr.Stri8ed]

Lol sounds crazy

I can get 50mg pills for $3 a piece. So running 75mg ED for 6 weeks would cost me $190. 3 bottles Epi would cost me $75 shipped lol. That $115 difference would get me 3 vials of Test P from my source.

 

[Swordfish II]

Anavar is like one if not the best oral steroid out their why someone has never made a ph out of it or something similar i dont know guess raws cost to much everyone would buy it if a good ph of anavar was made or clone

Because overall it is weak, and ****s up your lipids (and blood pressure) as I showed above. A PH of it would be even weaker with the same sides; basically worthless.

A much better aas is turinabol

 

[Dr.Stri8ed]

Because overall it is weak, and ****s up your lipids (and blood pressure) as I showed above. A PH of it would be even weaker with the same sides; basically worthless.

A much better aas is turinabol

Agreed.

 

[rooster1]

I know this is an old thread, just doing some epistane research. Just wanted to say the above is false. Var is far from mild on lipids, I saw the labs with jacked lipids but did a cycle anyway (about a year ago it was 50mg for 7 weeks), got bloods after and the doc was ready to send me to a cardiologist they were so bad.

I can probably dig them up if anyone is interested.

I love Var but it did the exact same thing to my lipids. Mine were HDL 12, LDL 180 3 weeks after 5 weeks of Var at 50mg. I have used Var a few times but this was the first time I had bloodwork done. I regret not having it done in the past as I probably wouldn't have used it again. I will most likely never use any orals again. As far as others, I have seen some folks use it without lipid issues. I guess it depends on the person but obviously it's not for me.

 

[Swordfish II]

I love Var but it did the exact same thing to my lipids. Mine were HDL 12, LDL 180 3 weeks after 5 weeks of Var at 50mg. I have used Var a few times but this was the first time I had bloodwork done. I regret not having it done in the past as I probably wouldn't have used it again. I will most likely never use any orals again. As far as others, I have seen some folks use it without lipid issues. I guess it depends on the person but obviously it's not for me.

Yeah, I have some left but I am really hesitant to touch the stuff again.

 

[Gym4Life]

Way too expensive, plus Epi is so cheap.

True but then in the uk here many ugl labs sell anavar 50 mgs tubs for like 40 or 50 quid granted its not pharm grade but it works people get ripped up...

Just goes to show how good anavar is and such a shame it is to expensive to make it woul be a killer