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in another board i am on, prime is usually the butt of jokes for supplements not actually working, but then i come here and its completely opposite. for those of you who have used it, did it work???
its not just company reps...bb.com is full of reps from other companies who are SOLELY instructed to bash other companies. Walk into a GNC and Vitamin Shoppe and just ask about USPlabs.
Ask about USPlabs every where but bb.com or a board run rampant with company reps and you will recieve the opposite answer.
With growth comes hate...
LOL..rigggggght.. Go into GNC, and Vitamin Shoppe and ask about Muscle Tech.. Ask the people that are SOLELY instructed to push certain products.bb.com is full of reps from other companies who are SOLELY instructed to bash other companies. Walk into a GNC and Vitamin Shoppe and just ask about USPlabs.
Ask about USPlabs every where but bb.com or a board run rampant with company reps and you will recieve the opposite answer.
With growth comes hate...
there wont be any flaming in here.I used it and did get a very slight effect, however, not worth the price tag. You can not go against USP on this board because you will be wrong. You will find more positive reviews here, only because its hyped much more and the placebo can be amazing. I say a USP lab products sucks and suddenly I'm the anti-christ. Its historical. The point to go into GNC and ask them.... Great some 17 year old idiot who is pushing anything to get a commission. Based on that analysis USP and MuscleTech product must be of equal quality... There are some great companies on here, but there are some whose heads are way too big...
My opinion.. PRIME is not worth the money..
Bring on the flaming by USPLABS
Would you be willing to buy it if I told you that there is a source that sells it for 25.00 a bottleI used it and did get a very slight effect, however, not worth the price tag. You can not go against USP on this board because you will be wrong. You will find more positive reviews here, only because its hyped much more and the placebo can be amazing. I say a USP lab products sucks and suddenly I'm the anti-christ. Its historical. The point to go into GNC and ask them.... Great some 17 year old idiot who is pushing anything to get a commission. Based on that analysis USP and MuscleTech product must be of equal quality... There are some great companies on here, but there are some whose heads are way too big...
My opinion.. PRIME is not worth the money..
Bring on the flaming by USPLABS
maybe... pm me.Would you be willing to buy it if I told you that there is a source that sells it for 25.00 a bottle
Then, if that's your approach, there is no reason to try. You have said that you will not be proven wrong yet I see not one stance from you? What will you never be proven wrong about?there wont be any flaming in here.
if usp labs wants to prove me wrong on anything, go ahead, because i guarantee they will lose i will not be proven wrong. i just want to know from people who have used it if it works or not because from a research-based standpoint, it shouldnt.
as for the logs on here, a little bird told me "some" werent legit. i dont know for sure though but i can find out.
Well that kinda proves what I am saying. If its not worth the money due to poor results then it shouldn't matter what the price is bro. If I do not like a product, I'm NOT going to buy it regardless of price especially if my reason is that it does not work ...maybe... pm me.
im saying that i dont want responses from the reps to say their products work. "we have a study that found an average 6 lb increase" blah blah blah... i have found no one who feels the product works. if i find a good amount of people, maybe ill change my mind and try it, but until then its doubtful from what i have heard.Then, if that's your approach, there is no reason to try. You have said that you will not be proven wrong yet I see not one stance from you? What will you never be proven wrong about?
Also if you are proven wrong, how would you know? You've already declared that you will not be wrong so iit's a fools pitch to even try.
what can you be proven wrong on you havent said anything to be proven wrong and I'm on prime in my 3rd week I'm also using several other products by usplabs I have no affiliation with them but I am an avid user of their products cause they WORK! if u want u can check my log its not the most detail but if you have any questions you can pm me if u like http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/121989-dmillzs-asteroid-stack.htmlthere wont be any flaming in here.
if usp labs wants to prove me wrong on anything, go ahead, because i guarantee they will lose i will not be proven wrong. i just want to know from people who have used it if it works or not because from a research-based standpoint, it shouldnt.
as for the logs on here, a little bird told me "some" werent legit. i dont know for sure though but i can find out.
hey, btw, i traded with you on the other board lol.
Many people on here have had good results and it depends on what your looking for. You may not get HUGE results or you may not want to spend what Prime costs. but you'll never know if you dont' try for yourself. I remember when 4ad and m1t were the brunt of jokes. I know people who gained 15+ of phera and some who gained 5lbs that's an average gain of 10lbs right but the person who gained 5lb is gonna be upset and the 15lb person is gonna say phera is the greatest.im saying that i dont want responses from the reps to say their products work. "we have a study that found an average 6 lb increase" blah blah blah... i have found no one who feels the product works. if i find a good amount of people, maybe ill change my mind and try it, but until then its doubtful from what i have heard.
maybe if you read the post i quoted for that statement, you would understand the context in which i was speaking.
You seem to like attention and drama.I used it and did get a very slight effect, however, not worth the price tag. You can not go against USP on this board because you will be wrong. You will find more positive reviews here, only because its hyped much more and the placebo can be amazing. I say a USP lab products sucks and suddenly I'm the anti-christ. Its historical. The point to go into GNC and ask them.... Great some 17 year old idiot who is pushing anything to get a commission. Based on that analysis USP and MuscleTech product must be of equal quality... There are some great companies on here, but there are some whose heads are way too big...
My opinion.. PRIME is not worth the money..
Bring on the flaming by USPLABS
Won't even comment....You seem to like attention and drama.
I agree with most of your post about the 17year getting commission and ofcourse respect right to your opinion but as some one who doesn't use USP really and tries to stay to what I know even I find the last part bring on the flaiming that does kind of seem a bit provoking.Won't even comment....
On the face of it, I may not be the most objective one to respond you your question, but I will try to be as credible as I can. As a general rule, no supplement works for everyone, or even works in the same manner for everyone. PRIME is no different. For starters, as soon as the ingredient's list was released, many dismissed it as ineffective, because it included a specific extract of a novel tribulus plant. Nothing could change their opinion subsequently. Some others insisted it could not be effective because its mechanism of action was not precisely known.its not just company reps...
and ppl who work at gnc or vitamin shop dont know anything.
Better so.Won't even comment....
I am not sure where you looked and how deeply you searched, but even a cursory check here at AnabolicMinds will reveal PRIME logs. Check out Dreamweaver's and Snagency's logs and take on PRIME. These are just two examples of athletes with dialled-in training, diet, and supplementation. There are others...... i have found no one who feels the product works.....
the reason i ask is this:On the face of it, I may not be the most objective one to respond you your question, but I will try to be as credible as I can. As a general rule, no supplement works for everyone, or even works in the same manner for everyone. PRIME is no different. For starters, as soon as the ingredient's list was released, many dismissed it as ineffective, because it included a specific extract of a novel tribulus plant. Nothing could change their opinion subsequently. Some others insisted it could not be effective because its mechanism of action was not precisely known.
Now, what was subsequently unfairly referred to as USPLabs PRIME hype, was in fact a reflection and expression of USPLabs' excitement at bringing out a product that consistently performed beyond the expectations of every single beta-tester in several directions. This so-called hype led some potential users a priori to expect miraculous results from PRIME. Given this background, any results they got from PRIME were sub-optimal in their eyes. I dare say these cases are not in the majority. As it turns out, an increasingly significant amount of users continue to report impressive results from PRIME and have indicated their commitment to use PRIME repeatedly in the future.
It is, perhaps, pertinent to mention that overwhelming feedback from users of PRIME indicates that the most effective dose lies in a range between six capsules and twelve capsules five to seven days per week (depending on body size and type, training regime and intensity, and so on), with most users getting solid results with about nine capsules daily. This realization has led, not only to the offering of special PRIME Twin-Pack sales (at NutraPlanet), but also to the designing of several effective dosage protocols, including the very popular 69 Protocol: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/118364-usplabs-prime-69-a.html. The objective was to make it affordable to users to dose more than six capsules a day, if deemed necessary, for better results. That approach appears to be working.
So, in conclusion, PRIME works. Yet, it may not work for everyone.
It does, tribulus atlas lso shows anabolic potential in humans, but its very similar in structure to terrestris, strategic would be better informed to tell you about the special extraction processes used in prime, but it was noted that it had anabolic effects in humans, look at the logs bro, humans used it here, and it worked, i used it and it worked i gained 3lb in 6 weeks, keeping my calories at maintenance, im not a usp labs rep, but if something works il fight for it.the reason i ask is this:
tribulus terrestris is completely useless in humans as shown by at least 6 studies on pubmed. it is effective in some animals though. now, t. aquaticus is different from t. terrestris, but the steroidal saponin profile is VERY similar. so from a scientific standpoint, either is contains steroidal saponins that work on humans, or it doesnt...
ill edit your post for youits not just company reps...
and SOMEppl who work at gnc or vitamin shop dont know anything.
Tribulus Terrestris works on humans, but may not be the most potent plant extract around. Many Bulgarian athletes will challenge any study that claims Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestris does not work. PRIME, though, does not contain T. Terrestris, and anecdotal feedback has confirmed USPLabs' original postulate regarding the effectiveness of T. Aquaticus.the reason i ask is this:
tribulus terrestris is completely useless in humans as shown by at least 6 studies on pubmed. it is effective in some animals though. now, t. aquaticus is different from t. terrestris, but the steroidal saponin profile is VERY similar. so from a scientific standpoint, either is contains steroidal saponins that work on humans, or it doesnt...
You have no idea how VS and GNC works. They are not INSTRUCTED to push anything beyond the house brand and that holds true for any business.LOL..rigggggght.. Go into GNC, and Vitamin Shoppe and ask about Muscle Tech.. Ask the people that are SOLELY instructed to push certain products.
Secondly...This board is rampant with company reps, so should we discredit anything said here?
Here is my opinion.. PRIME is not worth the money..
tribulus terrestris does NOT work in humans. i can post up the multitude of studies that confirm this fact if you like?Tribulus Terrestris works on humans, but may not be the most potent plant extract around. Many Bulgarian athletes will challenge any study that claims Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestris does not work. PRIME, though, does not contain T. Terrestris, and anecdotal feedback has confirmed USPLabs' original postulate regarding the effectiveness of T. Aquaticus.
Speechless....the reason i ask is this:
tribulus terrestris is completely useless in humans as shown by at least 6 studies on pubmed. it is effective in some animals though. now, t. aquaticus is different from t. terrestris, but the steroidal saponin profile is VERY similar. so from a scientific standpoint, either is contains steroidal saponins that work on humans, or it doesnt...
Who is selling Tribulus Terrestris?tribulus terrestris does NOT work in humans. i can post up the multitude of studies that confirm this fact if you like?
Speechless....
Prove they are similar...
have you looked at the profile of each??? being from usp labs im sure you have. they are remarkably similar especially being from the same family.Who is selling Tribulus Terrestris?
In one of your earlier posts, you said you did not believe in the claims of certain studies, but are now willing to accept negative Tribulus Terrestris studies. It is fine if you believe what makes you more comfortable or suits your argument. You can post the studies, if you want, but I can tell you that T. Terrestris works. T. Terrestris is hit-and-miss for some because success rate has been shown to depend on the quality of the intestinal flora of the user. This is because the T. Terrestris saponins appear to be activated by healthy intestinal flora. This is why Bulgarian Tribulus is quite effective in Bulgaria due to the relatively copious consumption there of the very healthy and well-known Bulgarian Jogurt. So, it is not a matter of coincidence that the best T. Terrestris supplements use pre-fermented steroidal saponins.tribulus terrestris does NOT work in humans. i can post up the multitude of studies that confirm this fact if you like?
You have yet to post "research."there wont be any flaming in here.
if usp labs wants to prove me wrong on anything, go ahead, because i guarantee they will lose i will not be proven wrong. i just want to know from people who have used it if it works or not because from a research-based standpoint, it shouldnt.
as for the logs on here, a little bird told me "some" werent legit. i dont know for sure though but i can find out.
hey, btw, i traded with you on the other board lol.
Whats the link to the double packs I need more soon, and I can't find it on NP???....not only to the offering of special PRIME Twin-Pack sales (at NutraPlanet)..... .
You are now just acting ignorant and arrogant.have you looked at the profile of each??? being from usp labs im sure you have. they are remarkably similar especially being from the same family.
no, i dont trust studies put on by companies in order to sell a product. big difference. perhaps you should look into some of the independent studies readily available online. hell no one even has access to this "prime study"In one of your earlier posts, you said you did not believe in the claims of certain studies, but are now willing to accept negative Tribulus Terrestris studies. It is fine if you believe what makes you more comfortable or suits your argument. You can post the studies, if you want, but I can tell you that T. Terrestris works. T. Terrestris is hit-and-miss for some because success rate has been shown to depend on the quality of the intestinal flora of the user. This is because the T. Terrestris saponins appear to be activated by healthy intestinal flora. This is why Bulgarian Tribulus is quite effective in Bulgaria due to the relatively copious consumption there of the very healthy and well-known Bulgarian Jogurt. So, it is not a matter of coincidence that the best T. Terrestris supplements use pre-fermented steroidal saponins.
Inversely i gave it a go, and it was one of the most worthless supplements ever created.PRIME just like any supplement will have its lovers and haters. I can live with that all day but those that do not give it a go could be missing out on the best supplement ever created.
touchéInversely i gave it a go, and it was one of the most worthless supplements ever created.
To each his own..
I could care less what people decide to spend their cash on. I will give my opinion on things i have tried, and people can come to their own conclusion.
You have yet to post "research."
I hope its better than your saponin argument of it either works or does not work. Keep the comedy coming.
your the one with the burden of proof. i have seen each profile because i used to work in a botany lab and tribulus species happened to be in some of the research manuals we used.You are now just acting ignorant and arrogant.
Post the research or you will go down as the kid that tells girls he has a big package but really sports a few inches.
I'm very familiar with the research because we done most of it and we extract for steroidal glycosides.
I did enjoy recreate though..loltouché
It may not have worked for you, but it can in no way be characterized as "one of the most worthless supplements ever created". This is just a ridiculous statement. I usually do not react like this, but this is simply over-doing it!Inversely i gave it a go, and it was one of the most worthless supplements ever created.
To each his own..
I could care less what people decide to spend their cash on. I will give my opinion on things i have tried, and people can come to their own conclusion.