Other than pre/post, I don't really believe there is anything magic about whey. Go to a blend your own, or a bulk site. Good, cheap.......use the following. Milk protein isolate, soy protein, rice protein, one of the lower grades of hydro whey,whole egg or egg white protein, gemma pea protein. I didn't pull this out of my ass. There is a reason for everything. (Another time if you're interested.)