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Any suggestions ? Last test booster I tried was Ultimate T and didn't notice a thing at all. I've narrowed it down to these 2 based on some reading. Thanks
This is completely user dependant, so even if he told you, it would be of no use to you. I can handle 100mg on an empty stomach. A lot of people can't say that they can.How did you react to the forskokin? Any stomach issues
X 2 for Test1fy. There is no better formulated natty test boosting product out right now IMO in terms of well-rounded profile with effective ingredients. Not to mention, it's a fully open label:dance: Currently using after PCT and loving it. My poor wife is in hiding at the moment. Lol.Any suggestions ? Last test booster I tried was Ultimate T and didn't notice a thing at all. I've narrowed it down to these 2 based on some reading. Thanks
Agree with ma70 above.How did you react to the forskokin? Any stomach issues
I have to agree with something you said here. I love having feedback from reps about a product they rep, but I prefer to hear from NON-rep users of the actual products I'm inquiring about and non-rep personal experiences. It's kind of a no-brainer; you always have to question an inherent bias by design, no matter how objective a rep is going to be. That said, all the info I've received from reps has been helpful and it's good they are required to show they're reps.I guess you would have to wait for people who have used both stand alone to chime in, but no one who has used DIESEL TEST Hardcore or Procycle has ever posted anywhere on AM that they like "xyz" better in 11 years of Diesel Test (Hardcore or Procycle) being available unless maybe later "xyz" product got banned.
A bunch of reps can't really help you.
There are like a trillion logs on here for Diesel Test, a lot with labs. Just search "Diesel Test log" or "review" or probably
"Diesel test lab results"
I'm comfortable putting money on it as the CEO nothing avail. can fck with Diesel Test Procycle V3 that was just released in terms of libido, training intensity, alpha-male mentality, boners, and real lab test. I take test boosters serious. Its been my claim to fame since 2005. For instance, i first used LJ100 over 9 yrs ago.
To say that and promote your product is a bit disingenuous wouldn't you say?I guess you would have to wait for people who have used both stand alone to chime in, but no one who has used DIESEL TEST Hardcore or Procycle has ever posted anywhere on AM that they like "xyz" better in 11 years of Diesel Test (Hardcore or Procycle) being available unless maybe later "xyz" product got banned.
A bunch of reps can't really help you.
There are like a trillion logs on here for Diesel Test, a lot with labs. Just search "Diesel Test log" or "review" or probably
"Diesel test lab results"
I'm comfortable putting money on it as the CEO nothing avail. can fck with Diesel Test Procycle V3 that was just released in terms of libido, training intensity, alpha-male mentality, boners, and real lab test. I take test boosters serious. Its been my claim to fame since 2005. For instance, i first used LJ100 over 9 yrs ago.
FWIW, OL reps speak from experience. We are proud of products and use them ourselves. I won't recommend something that I don't use or like. And everyone on this forum should know I'm probably the most vocal about Elixir flavoring.I have to agree with something you said here. I love having feedback from reps about a product they rep, but I prefer to hear from NON-rep users of the actual products I'm inquiring about and non-rep personal experiences. It's kind of a no-brainer; you always have to question an inherent bias by design, no matter how objective a rep is going to be. That said, all the info I've received from reps has been helpful and it's good they are required to show they're reps.
Just stating the obvious, but I've been looking at a lot of OTC boosters lately and really only at AM. I feel like I hear about experiences more reps than non-reps, so I have to take that into consideration when analyzing and making a purchase.
I agree with you. I also consider that someone would not become a rep unless they really back the products they rep based on their experiences. So in one way, it's still a good reference and I haven't seen in the few months I've been active lately a rep not be genuine with some pros and cons of a product they rep; that's why I like AM. I don't know the rep system, i.e. free products, kick-backs or whatever, but I'm also not 'with it' when it comes to how that works. Overall, we come here for information and AM is a great resource. Moreover, for the reasons you stated above are why I generally trust a rep's advice on a product they rep.FWIW, OL reps speak from experience. We are proud of products and use them ourselves. I won't recommend something that I don't use or like. And everyone on this forum should know I'm probably the most vocal about Elixir flavoring.
I do understand your point though, just food for thought.
You do realize that although logs can be helpful, the majority of people that log on here have multiple other variables (supplements they use) that can impact whether or not the product is a good one or bunk. Also, a lot of people automatically have a positive opinion due to getting a free product.I'm down for a "put up or shut up" Loggers search where we let 4 neutral members run each product with a 10 day wash out between the two and each can get a 20 day supply and then at the end post which one they straight up like the most. If people are not aware, this is something I've been doing for years on here with other brands. All we have to do is a thread to log Diesel Test vs Test1fy.
The only way it's truly fair and representative is if we monitor loggers workouts, diet and supplement use a la MT. I don't see that as a feasible option so don't think this test would be accurate.I'm down for a "put up or shut up" Loggers search where we let 4 neutral members run each product with a 10 day wash out between the two and each can get a 20 day supply and then at the end post which one they straight up like the most. If people are not aware, this is something I've been doing for years on here with other brands. All we have to do is a thread to log Diesel Test vs Test1fy.
This but i would still love to see it happen. I would follow that log.You do realize that although logs can be helpful, the majority of people that log on here have multiple other variables (supplements they use) that can impact whether or not the product is a good one or bunk. Also, a lot of people automatically have a positive opinion due to getting a free product.
I'm not challenging you, just telling you that logs do not always show clear cut results.
Except he's CEO, lol.To say that and promote your product is a bit disingenuous wouldn't you say?
Yeah this is true, and its also hard to find people without a bias. I was just offering a guaranteed way to find people who have used both. See I have been on AM a very very long time, and the way it works is several people have actually used both that are reading this thread, they just do not want to speak up good or bad about either. Around here you often here "good news" about whats popular now. Anyway, idc either way.You do realize that although logs can be helpful, the majority of people that log on here have multiple other variables (supplements they use) that can impact whether or not the product is a good one or bunk. Also, a lot of people automatically have a positive opinion due to getting a free product.
I'm not challenging you, just telling you that logs do not always show clear cut results.
That's an interesting idea, but it's far from perfect. Some ingredients in certain products are more focused on relatively acute or short term effects, while others take several weeks to really start becoming noticeable, making a 20 day supply not ideal for all products. I'd say you'd want a minimum of 28 days (4 weeks), with 6-8 weeks for each product being more ideal. I also don't know if a 10 day washout would necessarily suffice, especially if there is any overlap in ingredients, or if there are ingredients that work primarily via saturation.I'm down for a "put up or shut up" Loggers search where we let 4 neutral members run each product with a 10 day wash out between the two and each can get a 20 day supply and then at the end post which one they straight up like the most. If people are not aware, this is something I've been doing for years on here with other brands. All we have to do is a thread to log Diesel Test vs Test1fy.
Ok well 45 days for a product to "kick in " doesn't cut it in the supplement industry. Also so what you are saying is no one can comment if they like a product more than other, ever...That's an interesting idea, but it's far from perfect. Some ingredients in certain products are more focused on relatively acute or short term effects, while others take several weeks to really start becoming noticeable, making a 20 day supply not ideal for all products. I'd say you'd want a minimum of 28 days (4 weeks), with 6-8 weeks for each product being more ideal. I also don't know if a 10 day washout would necessarily suffice, especially if there is any overlap in ingredients, or if there are ingredients that work primarily via saturation.
It would also be nearly impossible to track other variables; subjective feelings such as mood, libido, energy, etc are very dependent on outside variables and influences, and a change in something like a job, moving, relationship, etc could greatly skew these comparison logs, especially since a good comparison log would take at least a few months total to gauge each product effectively, plus a sufficient washout period.
I really don't want to call anyone out, but this is not always true either. It sort of pains me to see some of the "rep robots" just shooting out suggestions just because they are a rep.I also consider that someone would not become a rep unless they really back the products they rep based on their experiences.
Man I could put tons of reps on blast that order the fck out my line and say their line is garbage, they just "rep" them, but I just let people believe whatever they want to believe. Every car salesman and woman at Kia don't drive no Kia. You would be foolish as a consumer to think so.I really don't want to call anyone out, but this is not always true either. It sort of pains me to see some of the "rep robots" just shooting out suggestions just because they are a rep.
I'm saying that what you proposed is far from the definitive, be all end all comparison between supplements. That is all. It gets more useful the more subjects you include though, as it's unlikely everyone will have major changes/variables effecting their tests/logs.Ok well 45 days for a product to "kick in " doesn't cut it in the supplement industry. Also so what you are saying is no one can comment if they like a product more than other, ever...
A 20 day run of each product with a 10 day washout period (what you proposed) isn't sufficient to really say which is better with any significance IMO. This is especially true if we plan on taking into consideration things like strength and body composition. Even for more subjective effects, longer time periods are often useful. I can show you many bacopa studies where more effects on memory are noted after 8-12 weeks than 4-6, and even studies where a greater benefit regarding quality of life in healthy athletic adults was increased with Ashwagandha more after 12 weeks than 8, and another study where aspects of sexual function were improved more after 8 weeks than 4 in females given ashwagandha. But you say less than 3 weeks is enough to gauge effectiveness and make comparisons. I don't agree.And i say use the put up or shut up use both and post results method.
I would love to mention some, but will hold back.I really don't want to call anyone out, but this is not always true either. It sort of pains me to see some of the "rep robots" just shooting out suggestions just because they are a rep.
So would i. A bit of doublespeak going on. Logs + bloods I say to see what's what. Can't just rely on the say so of reps x2ing , x3ing each other. But it will never happen. Bro only way of knowing for sure which suits you best is try each yourself and that;s the honest truth!This but i would still love to see it happen. I would follow that log.
Im ok w logs and labs but labs cost money and im not paying for someone labs. Both companies can however pay for the individual's labs up to a certain amount of get some ppl w some insurance. Haha and they can take the labs at the same time of day before and after each product but it would need a longer wash out bc ppl will say "oh well they were still elevated etc from the first product....an entire month later"So would i. A bit of doublespeak going on. Logs + bloods I say to see what's what. Can't just rely on the say so of reps x2ing , x3ing each other. But it will never happen. Bro only way of knowing for sure which suits you best is try each yourself and that;s the honest truth!
Pre workouts focus on acute effects for the most part, so you have many workouts to compare the two, as some workout are better than others, and some may have other unexpected variables (different gym, more or less busy, a workout partner). For something where it takes weeks to really notice effects, it can be harder to make an accurate comparison between the two, and harder to control for other variables.So as a consumer. How do you tell if you like one preworkout over the other? Or test booster. I would think you would use one...then use the other one at the same dosage/price day under the same circumstances. How much does it cost a month for an effective dose and how does this other product "feel" to me used at the same price point.
I understand that...and w that said...a product that doesnt produce any noticeable results by the consumer in 20 days isnt worth using. The most "delayed reaction" product on earth to me is creatine and that even does "something" in 10 days. Im not spending my money on anything that doesnt produce a results in 20 days or less unless its a multivitamin. Test boosters especially in PCT should do something in 2-8 days. So i mean idk. 30 days? Or do you think someone needs 60 days on a test booster to see if its working? Ill go 30 on 3 weeks off. 30 on other product.Pre workouts focus on acute effects for the most part, so you have many workouts to compare the two, as some workout are better than others, and some may have other unexpected variables (different gym, more or less busy, a workout partner). For something where it takes weeks to really notice effects, it can be harder to make an accurate comparison between the two, and harder to control for other variables.
Where to start. I'm not saying that a test booster shouldn't work or do anything at 3-4 weeks, just that a 3 week period is not an ideal or sufficient time period to really say that one product is better than another, or fully gauge its effectiveness if there are ingredients that take longer than that to really be felt. Maybe one is a bit better than the other at 3 weeks, but perhaps the other has some ingredients that take a bit longer; it may be better than the other after 6-8 weeks, no? You should definitely notice some effects from a test booster type product within 3-4 weeks, but many of them don't really start to shine until around that point, so weeks 4-6-8 are often nice to really test a product and gauge it's effectiveness. Also, some "test boosters" have benefits independent of increasing testosterone (such a increased body composition and/or performance), and these things will likely take more than 3 weeks to really be noticeable. I'd recommend at least 4 weeks (preferably 6-8) to compare honestly. Just my $0.02I understand that...and w that said...a product that doesnt produce any noticeable results by the consumer in 20 days isnt worth using. The most "delayed reaction" product on earth to me is creatine and that even does "something" in 10 days. Im not spending my money on anything that doesnt produce a results in 20 days or less unless its a multivitamin. Test boosters especially in PCT should do something in 2-8 days. So i mean idk. 30 days? Or do you think someone needs 60 days on a test booster to see if its working? Ill go 30 on 3 weeks off. 30 on other product.
Im just saying let's go toe to toe which is way better than someone's opion who havent even used both products.
I see what you mean. We can do 4 or 6 weeks...im confident in results in 3-4 days to 2 weeks on my product tho. Who on here can give the green light from Olympus to start planning this show down.Where to start. I'm not saying that a test booster shouldn't work or do anything at 3-4 weeks, just that a 3 week period is not an ideal or sufficient time period to really say that one product is better than another, or fully gauge its effectiveness if there are ingredients that take longer than that to really be felt. Maybe one is a bit better than the other at 3 weeks, but perhaps the other has some ingredients that take a bit longer; it may be better than the other after 6-8 weeks, no? You should definitely notice some effects from a test booster type product within 3-4 weeks, but many of them don't really start to shine until around that point, so weeks 4-6-8 are often nice to really test a product and gauge it's effectiveness. Also, some "test boosters" have benefits independent of increasing testosterone (such a increased body composition and/or performance), and these things will likely take more than 3 weeks to really be noticeable. I'd recommend at least 4 weeks (preferably 6-8) to compare honestly. Just my $0.02
Just thought id drop by to give you a shout out, your product label for a test booster was the reason i got into formulating products..kudosI see what you mean. We can do 4 or 6 weeks...im confident in results in 3-4 days to 2 weeks on my product tho. Who on here can give the green light from Olympus to start planning this show down.
I don't blame him.OP hasn't been back since page 1.
Lol
what does DSU stand forX3 for Test1fy.
I'm sure Diesel is a solid product as well, but man do I feel great on Test1fy. As for the increased hunger, I really haven't noticed much if any from the AP in it. Honestly though, if you are looking to lean up I'd hit an EP1C + DSU combo. Best recomp stack I've tried in decades hands down.
Increased lean mass, decreased bf, increased vascularity. Every time I run that stack for 8+ weeks I get loads of compliments on appearance.
Dermastrength Unleashed by Olympus Labs. It is a transdermal phytofused laxogenin product.what does DSU stand for
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