Cycle Paring for future.

[khall1974]

Hey Guys have not posted in a while but I get more excited when my cycle is coming around the corner. Planning on an 10 to 12 week cycle of Test E/Mast E...Or an 8 week cycle of Test/Mast P. I haven't figured out the dosages yet but looking to pair those two up with an oral. My source does have inject-able winny and SD. If I chose that route how would I dose/pin the SD and winny? Any other oral would work hand in hand with test/mast? Thanks for any replies fellas.

 

[jrock645]

Anything would work with those two. Rather than an oral, id do either npp or Primo

 

[CroLifter]

Anything would work with those two. Rather than an oral, id do either npp or Primo

Test/npp/mast sounds nice. You got all 3 (androstene, 19nor and dht) angles covered.

 

[steve0178]

Hey Guys have not posted in a while but I get more excited when my cycle is coming around the corner. Planning on an 10 to 12 week cycle of Test E/Mast E...Or an 8 week cycle of Test/Mast P. I haven't figured out the dosages yet but looking to pair those two up with an oral. My source does have inject-able winny and SD. If I chose that route how would I dose/pin the SD and winny? Any other oral would work hand in hand with test/mast? Thanks for any replies fellas.

I hope you're not planning on sd and winny. I wasn't sure if it's either or, or both. Don't do both! Most people use winny at 50mg/day for 4 weeks or sd at no more than 20mg for 3-4 weeks (usually ramping up - 10,15, 20 for example). I find with injectables, I only need about half of the oral dose to be as effective. So 25mg/day of injectable winny would give me the same effect as 50mg of oral winny. I like them at the end of the cycle rather than the beginning. It's harder to put on muscle towards the end.
I do agree that either npp or primo world be amazing cycles instead of the oral.

 

[khall1974]

The sd or winny will be injectable. If I did go the npp, test and mast route...what would be dosage. I am nervous about running 19nors. Dont know why

 

[Cmseabee24]

The sd or winny will be injectable. If I did go the npp, test and mast route...what would be dosage. I am nervous about running 19nors. Dont know why

NPP at least over 400mg. 400-600 would be ideal.

 

[CroLifter]

NPP at least over 400mg. 400-600 would be ideal.

So low test high 19 nor seems to be the norm these days?

 

[steve0178]

So low test high 19 nor seems to be the norm these days?

I've had great gains from 350 of Npp. Keep in mind you get more hormone with shorter esters, so 350mg of Npp is more nandrolone than 350mg of deca. If it's your first 19 nor, you'll probably see excellent gains. I would keep your test low because 19 nors have a very high binding affinity to the androgen receptors.

 

[CroLifter]

I've had great gains from 350 of Npp. Keep in mind you get more hormone with shorter esters, so 350mg of Npp is more nandrolone than 350mg of deca. If it's your first 19 nor, you'll probably see excellent gains. I would keep your test low because 19 nors have a very high binding affinity to the androgen receptors.

Yeah i was thinking test/mast split alongside 19 nor instead of just higher test + 19 nor to help with potential gyno/estro/prolactin issues.

 

[CroLifter]

I've had great gains from 350 of Npp. Keep in mind you get more hormone with shorter esters, so 350mg of Npp is more nandrolone than 350mg of deca. If it's your first 19 nor, you'll probably see excellent gains. I would keep your test low because 19 nors have a very high binding affinity to the androgen receptors.

Btw phenylprop and deca esters, while having radically different half lives, have similar weight unfortunately. So you dont get more nandrolone out of npp than you get out of deca.

i never understood why there is no nandrolone acetate or propionate.
fast acting like phenylprop but way more active substance.

Deca is more tempting because i can get more pharmaceutical deca at a better price than ug npp.

But the pharmacokynetics of deca ester are very unappealing to me.

 

[khall1974]

How would you dose the test and mast with the

I've had great gains from 350 of Npp. Keep in mind you get more hormone with shorter esters, so 350mg of Npp is more nandrolone than 350mg of deca. If it's your first 19 nor, you'll probably see excellent gains. I would keep your test low because 19 nors have a very high binding affinity to the androgen receptors.

How would you dose the test/mast with 350 npp? Does it cause erectile issues like deca will? What scares me the most with 19nors are the prolactin issues.

 

[Cmseabee24]

Grab some fuckin caber or Prami and run that ****.

 

[steve0178]

Btw phenylprop and deca esters, while having radically different half lives, have similar weight unfortunately. So you dont get more nandrolone out of npp than you get out of deca.

i never understood why there is no nandrolone acetate or propionate.
fast acting like phenylprop but way more active substance.

Deca is more tempting because i can get more pharmaceutical deca at a better price than ug npp.

But the pharmacokynetics of deca ester are very unappealing to me.

Good point. This doesn't really apply with these two compounds. Good catch!

 

[steve0178]

How would you dose the test and mast with the

How would you dose the test/mast with 350 npp? Does it cause erectile issues like deca will? What scares me the most with 19nors are the prolactin issues.

In my experience, I don't get "deca dick" with lower dose npp (like 350). If I run it around 600, I will see prolactin sides. Although I will see sides with lower dose deca. My theory is prolactin build up doesn't occur as much with shorter esters, but I literally have no data to back that up, only my anecdotal experience. You can grab caber if you're concerned as mentioned. I can't imagine avoiding 19 nors as they are some of the most effective compounds. To each their own though!

 

[steve0178]

How would you dose the test and mast with the

How would you dose the test/mast with 350 npp? Does it cause erectile issues like deca will? What scares me the most with 19nors are the prolactin issues.

Sorry, I missed your question again. I think 350 mast and 250 test would be a good starting point. You could do a little more mast if you are super low body fat and really want to polish your look, or if you're worried about estrogen.

 

[khall1974]

I am now leaning towards npp and test...maybe throw in a dht oral alongside. If I ran npp at 400 how much test?

 

[khall1974]

What would the dosing be with prami or caber?

 

[Cmseabee24]

What would the dosing be with prami or caber?

Prami start with .125 2 time a week before bed to see how you react then double next week and so on don’t go over .5mg

 

[khall1974]

Prami start with .125 2 time a week before bed to see how you react then double next week and so on don’t go over .5mg

Thanks...what would be the dosages for npp and test? Throwing ideas around in my head.

 

[Cmseabee24]

I don’t know you experience I’d say low dose 250-300 test 400-500mg NPP.

 

[khall1974]

I don’t know you experience I’d say low dose 250-300 test 400-500mg NPP.

This will be my 3rd cycle. Gonna give 19nors a try. They say eod...can I get away with a MWF schedule.

 

[Cmseabee24]

This will be my 3rd cycle. Gonna give 19nors a try. They say eod...can I get away with a MWF schedule.

I still do EOD it’s personal preference so one week I hit 4 times next week is 3. Whatever works for you though. Just start dosing prami right away since you’ve never used a 19nor and don’t know how fast your prolactin will elevate. Better to stay ahead of it.

 

[khall1974]

I still do EOD it’s personal preference so one week I hit 4 times next week is 3. Whatever works for you though. Just start dosing prami right away since you’ve never used a 19nor and don’t know how fast your prolactin will elevate. Better to stay ahead of it.

I can get my hands on some caber...how would the dosing be different to prami

 

[Cmseabee24]

I can get my hands on some caber...how would the dosing be different to prami

I’ve never only used prami little cheaper and easier to get from research companies. I think caber is .5 2x a week but maybe someone else can chime in. Prami has the possibility of more sides.

 

[khall1974]

What would be a good oral to pair with? Thinking on running 300mg of npp and test ace for 8 weeks.

 

[Hyde]

I’ve never only used prami little cheaper and easier to get from research companies. I think caber is .5 2x a week but maybe someone else can chime in. Prami has the possibility of more sides.

Caber effectively lowers prolactin for 5 days - take 0.5 every 4-5th day. Every 5 works well for me.

What would be a good oral to pair with? Thinking on running 300mg of npp and test ace for 8 weeks.

Any dry DHT-based oral would have the most synergy. DMZ, Msten, SD, Var, Triumph, Mithras, Winny. And/Or you could add something like Proviron on the back half to keep the gains coming as well.

 

[khall1974]

Have you guys ever front loaded EQ and dropped it 2 to 3 weeks before your test so it clears the system before pct. Just picking at brains out there

 

[Cmseabee24]

Just run test 2 weeks after EQ.