no i get it man, you make complete sense which is why im not arguing. you just dont get what im saying. the "Edge" i referred to is more placebo than anything, just meant for a mental type thing knowing something else is kicking in after the good stuff on cycle. i think ill sleep fine at night being "robbed" of extra benefits.. because they are minimal in comparison to what ill be achieving. ive never gotten jacked from taking creatine, id attribute it to maybe 5% of my success, and considering SD will contribute like 110% i think ill be alright. even if it takes a week to kick back in, thats the whole point im making man, just knowing that something else is starting to kick in and my workouts still have a chance at improving. purely for the mind games thats all. i think science has a major role in what we do here, but i also feel people focus on it a little to much. getting to know my own body, what gets me going, what motivates me, what gets me excited, thats how i find my personal success. i dont meticulously count macros, i eat the same sort of **** every week, and i like it that way, want to lose weight i eat smaller meals, bulking, add more. i like it simple and dont need science stuffed down my throat but thats just me personally. and thats not saying i dont research and stay educated on what works. like i said, i take creatine most of the year, and cycle on and off stims, i know how i react to the stuff. i also know coming down from a cycle i like to have every mental edge i can get to maximize my motivation to retain the highest % of gains i get. its not science, its just logic knowing how i work. but again i agree, there is no true reason why you should cycle of creatine scientifically speaking and i didnt intend to contradict your point in a demeaning fashion at all, just wanted to offer a different perspective. im sure we both take lifting seriously, but theres plenty of people on here who cycle and then go back to not taking things as serious and lose all their gains, motivation and mind games plays a large part in why people cant keep the gains imo and i just thought this would be relevant.