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Is a cortisol blocker necessary for a hdrol cycle? and if so, why?
sounds good. never heard of that test booster sorryI am about to start a Hdrol cycle and was gonna run it 75/75/75/75/100 then for pct run nolva 20/20/10/10 with pct revolution (cels pct assist is back ordered). Does that sound like a sufficient enough pct? Anyone have any experience with pct revolution?
To put it a better way...you want to regulate cortisol and keep it balanced. You do not want to crush cortisol and have it too low because then it could cause some potential disturbances in your mental functioning. Particularly, you would be more prone to displaying bi-polar type behavior and if that was to go on for too long then you would have a reverse reaction with cortisol as in it would skyrocket to compensate for the roller coaster effect of your moods...think of it as your body would be course correcting itself.Cortisol will compete with Testosterone. Imo, you want to dampen the presence of Cortisol, its a safe bet.
This thinking is actually wrong. Caffeine will increase the release of FFA into the blood. As a result, cortisol will also be released to seek out substrate.Might I recomment staying under 200mg of caffein per serving as well?
I've always had this superstition that anything over that can result in unwanted rises in cortisol, ever since I read a few articles about it. Worth a shot.
And I've always been a fan of Iforce's Reversitol V2.
So you're saying this rise in cortisol isn't actually harmful?This thinking is actually wrong. Caffeine will increase the release of FFA into the blood. As a result, cortisol will also be released to seek out substrate.
In this instance, no. However, there is obviously a point of diminishing returns regarding stims, FFA, and cortisol.So you're saying this rise in cortisol isn't actually harmful?
EndoAmp anyone? :lmao:Cortisol will compete with Testosterone. Imo, you want to dampen the presence of Cortisol, its a safe bet.
or vitamin C lol.... NO NEED TO SPEND ALL THAT MONEY BRO... GOOGLE VITAMIN C AND CORTISOL
Yes "this guy". Endoamp max for the stressed out individuals is a blessing.EndoAmp anyone? :lmao:
I use both Vitamin C and EndoAmp, and can honestly state I wouldn't consider one without the other,because i am a rep... and i dont care about this guy spending his money.
Had the product been inefficient at doing the job, it wouldn't have grown to become one of our most enjoyed supplements.had to fix that for ya:squintfinger:
-AlphaSize®Improvement in key brain functions, including memory, concentration, learning, recall, and focus.
Prevention of memory loss, especially age-related cognitive decline.
Reduction of elevated cortisol levels and reduction of stress.
Improvement in athletic activities including running, weightlifting, and golf.
Helps reduce fatigue, reduces muscle soreness, and hastens recovery, in active and athletic individuals.
Your vitamin C doing all of this? :smokin:Improvement in key brain functions, including memory, concentration, learning, recall, and focus.
Useful in combating dementias and various forms of cognitive decline.
Promotes formation of acetylcholine (AC), a vital neurotransmitter compound involved in all key brain functions and mental sharpness.
Helps speed cell to cell communication through neuromuscular optimization, providing enhanced muscular power output and agility for active and athletic individuals.
Physiological production and maintenance of human growth hormone (HGH), the body’s master hormone for maintaining youth, vitality, and body composition.
Had the product been inefficient at doing the job, it wouldn't have grown to become one of our most enjoyed supplements.
-SerinAde® :
-AlphaSize®
let me guess, your a rep for the product your trying to push? oh yeah thats right... anyone can make claims
Your vitamin C doing all of this? :smokin:
Endoamp is more than just a cortisol blocker. It raises mental acuity through A-GPC and also increase GH and IGF-1. These are two hormones that are specfically lowered by the most commonly used SERMs and AIs. Endoamp is more than just cortisol control.endoamp 52 dollars on your site
but vitamin c, is really imo all that is needed for cortisol suppression during/after pct
I never stated not to use Vitamin C, I stated both are a perfect combo.without vitamin c, you die...
is your endo amp doing that?
btw.. vitamin c is way cheaper... and very effective
I don't doubt there are 100s of studies on the benefits of Vitamin C, again I advocate taking it year round. So thanks for the information, but I am already convinced.The effects of vitamin C supplementation on the alterations in the circulating concentrations of cortisol, adrenaline, interleukin-10 (IL-10) and interleukin-1 receptor antagonist (IL-1Ra) which accompany ultramarathon running were measured using immuno-chemiluminescence, radioimmunoassay and ELISA procedures. Forty-five participants in the 1999 Comrades 90 km marathon were divided into equal groups (n = 15) receiving 500 mg/day Vit C (VC-500), 1500 mg/day Vit C (VC-1500) or placebo (P) for 7 days before the race, on the day of the race, and for 2 days following completion. Runners recorded dietary intake before, during and after the race and provided 35 ml blood samples 15 - 18 hrs before the race, immediately post-race, 24 hrs post race and 48 hrs post-race. Twenty-nine runners (VC-1500, n = 12; VC-500, n = 10; P, n = 7) complied with all study requirements. All post-race concentrations were adjusted for plasma volume changes. Analyses of dietary intakes and blood glucose and anti-oxidant status on the day preceding the race and the day of the race did not reveal that carbohydrate intake or plasma vitamins E and A were significant confounders in the study. Mean pre-race concentrations of serum vitamin C in VC-500 and VC-1500 groups (128 +/- 31 and 153 +/- 34 micromol/l) were significantly higher than in the P group (83 +/- 39 micromol/l). Immediate post-race serum cortisol was significantly lower in the VC-1500 group (p < 0.05) than in P and VC-500 groups. When the data from VC-500 and P groups was combined (n = 17), immediate post-race plasma adrenaline, IL-10 and IL-1Ra concentrations were also significantly lower (p < 0.05) in the VC-1500 group. The study demonstrates an attenuation, albeit transient, of both the adrenal stress hormone and anti-inflammatory polypeptide response to prolonged exercise in runners who supplemented with 1500 mg vitamin C per day when compared to < or = 500 mg per day.
If you are ok from sourcing from an unknown, with limited purity guarantee, then I would go for the price as well, certainly attractive. Im much happier knowing mine is using a ChemiNutra sourced product. Some are willing to pay for quality, and quality is something we pride ourselves in.Oh and btw.. i have read a study about Phosphatidyl Serine, what strays me from it (your product) is the price...
endoamp 52 dollars on your site
vitamin c is 6 dollars..
Phosphatidyl Serine tabs can be found for 16 bucks as well...
but vitamin c, is really imo all that is needed for cortisol suppression during/after pct
What hype? Those quotations were taken directly from ChemiNutra, not Primordial. Their patented ingredients that we utilized are very highly regarded, so I think their company is allowed to brag alittle bit.im done, but SICK job with the hype bro :usa2:
If you think that PCT shouldn't cost more than a PH in the 25-40 range, then you don't regard your health with as much concern as most would advocate. I am willing to spend what I need to on a PCT. And since based on your current attitude presented towards me being affiliated with the company, I will state I had used it previous to the position with my own money, and the position became available to me after I had become quite acquainted with the products.all i was saying is that serm plus test booster ai already puts people over 100 bucks for pct... thats already more than the hdrol in this case costs and for sure more than people are usually willing to spend..... all im saying is that endoamp may have its place in cortisol control, and may do a good job at it...
I do believe, although I may be mistaken, that we did post numerous reasons that EndoAmp is an advantage.if vitamin c suppresses cortisol (----) this much
& endoamp suppresses cortisol (-----) this much... why spend so much extra cash? because of the nice label ?
In addition to its applications for memory and cerebrovascular health, Alpha-GPC may also help promote healthy levels of growth hormone. Here's how it works. Consider that anticholinergic drugs have been shown to diminish GH response, while drugs able to increase acetylcholine transmission are able to potentiate the stimulatory effect of growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH)[ix] [x] by decreasing the release of somatostatin (a hormone that inhibits GH release). With aging, the imbalance between stimulatory (GHRH) and inhibitory (somatostatin) activities on GH secretion leads to an enhanced somatostatin action and decreased GH release.if it does, what ingredient in your product is proven to increase igf1 and gh
I thank you for being a customer of ours and, like me, enjoying the use of our Liver Juice. However there must be a reason you are willing to pay for the quality of Liver Juice over a generic milk thistle product. Most likely because you want the supplement do perform as best as possible and as effectively as possible, and that is what I am saying that EndoAmp offers over standard Vitamin C Supplementation.and btw... i am not cheap when it comes to cycles or training at all... i get bloodwork, i use serms, and PROVEN test boosters i use tudca or udca AND your liver juice lv (this is worth the money)
I myself and I think others are NOT convinced or swayed one bit by Swolen87's point. You can get plenty of vit C in your diet, although I still supplement with it, but good luck trying to get enough of whats in Endoamp Max in your daily diet.
Does H-drol Aromatize? Im a little new to this, and curious as to why you are adding it to your cycle.hey I was about to run a hdrol cycle at 50/75/75/75/100 and for pct was going to use nolva 20/20/10/10 with AI pct assist.. should I be incorporating other products into this pct? This is my first cycle and im unsure of whether or not that covers all my bases, just want to be safe rather than sorry
I never stated not to use Vitamin C, I stated both are a perfect combo.
I don't doubt there are 100s of studies on the benefits of Vitamin C, again I advocate taking it year round. So thanks for the information, but I am already convinced.
If you are ok from sourcing from an unknown, with limited purity guarantee, then I would go for the price as well, certainly attractive. Im much happier knowing mine is using a ChemiNutra sourced product. Some are willing to pay for quality, and quality is something we pride ourselves in.
What hype? Those quotations were taken directly from ChemiNutra, not Primordial. Their patented ingredients that we utilized are very highly regarded, so I think their company is allowed to brag alittle bit.
If you think that PCT shouldn't cost more than a PH in the 25-40 range, then you don't regard your health with as much concern as most would advocate. I am willing to spend what I need to on a PCT. And since based on your current attitude presented towards me being affiliated with the company, I will state I had used it previous to the position with my own money, and the position became available to me after I had become quite acquainted with the products.
I do believe, although I may be mistaken, that we did post numerous reasons that EndoAmp is an advantage.
In addition to its applications for memory and cerebrovascular health, Alpha-GPC may also help promote healthy levels of growth hormone. Here's how it works. Consider that anticholinergic drugs have been shown to diminish GH response, while drugs able to increase acetylcholine transmission are able to potentiate the stimulatory effect of growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH)[ix] [x] by decreasing the release of somatostatin (a hormone that inhibits GH release). With aging, the imbalance between stimulatory (GHRH) and inhibitory (somatostatin) activities on GH secretion leads to an enhanced somatostatin action and decreased GH release.
In clinical research, GHRH was given to eight young and seven old human volunteers, with or without the addition of alpha-GPC. The results were that alpha-GPC successfully potentiated the stimulatory effect of GHRH on GH secretion in both young and old subjects.4 In a follow-up study, alpha-GPC was tested in 10 normal elderly subjects (aged 79.4 ± 1.7 years). The subjects were given GHRH with alpha-GPC. The results demonstrated that when alpha-GPC was administered with GHRH, the GH responses were significantly higher than those found after GHRH alone.[xi] The results of these two studies show that alpha-GPC is able to help promote GH release in both young and old. [Source]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1577400
http://www.jissn.com/content/5/S1/P15
I thank you for being a customer of ours and, like me, enjoying the use of our Liver Juice. However there must be a reason you are willing to pay for the quality of Liver Juice over a generic milk thistle product. Most likely because you want the supplement do perform as best as possible and as effectively as possible, and that is what I am saying that EndoAmp offers over standard Vitamin C Supplementation.
Also, thanks for accusing me of hype marketing, but that is simply not the case. If anyone has been able to prolong the discussion of this product, it has been you challenging it and or asking questions. I simply provided the responses.
Im saying just chill a bit. It is a forum after all so people are entitled to give their opinion.bashman excuse me if im a ****... sometimes thats just how i am... i apologize if i take it too far sometimes.....
That is your opinion, and many agree, I however never have even before I started repping for PP. To each his own good sirthis is exactly what i would say if i was a rep.....
im done... im not going to argue with 5 reps from your company...
here is my point.....90% of the non hormonal supplements on these forums are crap and a total waste of money imo.... all im trying to say, is that for a cost/benefit ratio, i think ill stick with the cheaper of the two........
bashman excuse me if im a ****... sometimes thats just how i am... i apologize if i take it too far sometimes.....
That is your opinion, and I am not here to convince you other wise. Everyone has a price level they are wiling to invest in (Such as you have with the Liver), I was merely defending the product to be more than just cortisol control, and be a better pick for PCT than just Vitamin C.good info
i use the liverjuice because of regular milk thistles poor bioavailability. plus regular milk thistle costs about 10 bucks... i got my liverjuice for 18 dollars.... that to me is worth the price.... i also feel that liver toxicity is something people tend to look over, and i also reccomend the use of tudca or udca along with the liver juice... ( you only have one liver )
oh, the primo, is cheap, lab tested, and legit.. (if this were a different forum, i could tell you where its from and where it was tested) but thanks for your concern, ill end with this... endoamp may have its benefits, and may do a decent job at supressing cortisol, but imo, it is not worth the money as vitamin c does a great job by itself.
Im using nolva because at that dose of hdrol for that long my natural production gets pretty shut down... Would anyone mind advising me on my pct? Wanna make sure I keep it safeDoes H-drol Aromatize? Im a little new to this, and curious as to why you are adding it to your cycle.
Im using nolva because at that dose of hdrol for that long my natural production gets pretty shut down... Would anyone mind advising me on my pct? Wanna make sure I keep it safe
TCF-1 Features sodium D-aspartate, the same exact compound that showed such a large increase in test as found in the original study. This is not saying that your bulk would not be the same, but I would check. TCF-1 Also provides convenient dosing as well as it tastes very good.so should I even buy anabolic innovations pct support supp?
also, bulk daa is the same product as the tcf-1?
and your suggesting I run inhibit e 4 pills a day/3pills a day/2.. etc. along with the nolva?
DO NOT USE ATD!! ATD is not only a major libido killer, but it acts as an anti-androgen in the brain.so would nolva 20/20/10/10 with inhibit e(atd) at 4pills/3pills/2/1 along with lean xtreme and liver juice be a sufficient pct for my cycle?
From what I understand, and please correct me if I'm wrong, ATD is a type of AI. ATD is a type of AI that is known as a Suicide Inhibitor. Most that I know of don't like using ATD's due to the fact that it kills the aromitase enzyme. Another and more popular AI you should read up on is a Competitive Inhibitor. In a Comp Inhibitor the molecule just fills the active binding site of the aromatase enzyme and won't let it act on your free test. This means the body still sees the aromatase enzyme floating around and doesn't register to make more enzymes. On the other hand, with something like ATD a suicide inhibitor, the body sees the lack of enzymes (due to ATD killing them) and makes more aromatase enzymes for use. Both will work for PCT, but again most will recommend a competitive AI. Do some reseach on Advanced PCT by Anabolic Xtreme. It contains 6-Bromo which is a Comp AI. Good luck.Ok, minus the atd is that a sufficient pct? What should or shouldn't I incorporate?
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