Idk why you guys don't know this but Patrick Arnold makes Ur spray which is Arginine Ursolic Acetate. works transdermally
I don't know if would enhance bioavailability, but Topical Endosurge is definitely feasible, and would probably rock. :naughty:
Not sure what is with the condescending tone there. Nor the assumption that there was a "We" in MY post. I certainly don't speak for the entire rep team. Many of them may be aware of that fact that he carries that product. I don't know why you think I should inherently know what PA is doing. His company is not BPS I don't represent him, and I am not paid to know everything about what every one does in the world of supplements. I am paid to fix computers. You have to realize this is something we do on the side not our entire lives nor livelihood. Expecting us to know what every other company has going on is unrealistic. Most of us are guys just like you all. I said I "think" that 300 was the cut off for being viable transdermally, and follow it with "I may be wrong." Leaving the door open to be corrected but not to be spoken down to. Last time I was making my own transdermal solutions which was a few years ago the carriers available the recommended threshold was around 300. That is the information I was speaking to.
I must be missing something here, why would there be a liability with EndoSurge being made into a topical solution??
dopamine related side effects from entering the blood stream
Sorry man I didn't mean to come off like that. I thought most people who follow AM would have seen threads talking about Ur spray. Especially if one was interested in Ursolic acid. I didn't mean to speak to your whole team I was speaking to only you and whoever else was in this thread.
Interesting. I'll have to look into that when I can...
Resolve, you can probably find it quicker than I can. Lol. But I'd be interested in hearing your take on it.
now you have me very interested in finding a high grade bulk macuna to put in a transdermal solution!!!!
Why does this not shock me!! Lmao
So its already been developed?
Best news I've heard all week
Well I have posted here too and didn't know, PA is a pariah in the industry, many of us don't keep up with his company that is poorly represented. Also, many people aren't natty and don't follow what many of the companies make. Best way to go is not assume
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This is good news Rob!
Well I have posted here too and didn't know, PA is a pariah in the industry, many of us don't keep up with his company that is poorly represented. Also, many people aren't natty and don't follow what many of the companies make. Best way to go is not assume
Hey Kleen,
Innovator is more like it. Over the last 10 years PA is probably responsible for more big discoveries in supplements than anyone else out there. Usually what he brings to the market first is what everyone else will have in their product down the road.
No, he is based on his past involvement in the BALCO scandal. Maybe that is not the best choice of words to use but I don't pray at the alter of Patrick Arnold though he is an excellent source of info from time to time (only read a little of what he posts). He was an innovator prior to his incarceration and I wanted to run his products of the past more so than what little I have seen come out recently. It is neither here nor there, people are allowed to like and believe what they want, I have no skin in the game past helping anyone with BPS.
Nor do I pray at the alter of Patrick Arnold. I do however give respect where it's due. He was an innovator before his incarceration and still is today. All you have do do is take a look at UR spray which is sold out constantly and as far as I have seen has had unanimous positive reviews. Yes, Pat went to prison during the Balco scandal. So what! Lots of the guys that have run supplement companies have gone to prison. Not to mention, Patrick went for doing much less than the supplement companies selling hormones today with impunity are doing. He is one of the guys that paved the way for companies like BPS.
Lol ironic. But, no, not the name. Cool nonetheless.
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Yep. I am no longer going to have an opinion anymore. It's just too much of a distraction from what we are trying to do, educate and answer questions related to BPS products.
thebigTD
ok...thebigTDsurge!!!
I like it!!
lol....me too
not bad not bad.
This GIF is freaking spectacular and deserves some love!
I already posted it on facebook, what?
... this all went down with dermacrine ages ago, points were made but many used the product regardless n given it was basically the only td dhea supp on the market at the time, it kinda did have its place when absolutely needed... which isn't nearly as often as most assumed and def isn't a viable replacement for a test base.
Not taking it that way at all and , I completely misspoke when I mentioned they were part of the same process, what Resolve said below is pretty much correct I knew they were both converted from the same substrates. However I was indeed confusing the reductase process as part of the aromatase process since it has been quite a while since I looked at the flow chart. So I can admit my folly there. Good catch and thanks for posting the chart!Hey Kleen,
Not trying to rain on your parade or be condescending or anything of the sort... but this is truly a misinformed statement.
Dht is a product of 5a reductase, not the aromatase enzyme. There are no hormonal "byproducts" of the aromatase process. There is one, single, steroidal skeleton involved, typically in the form of testosterone, the aromatase enzyme attaches and then adds the necessary compound to turn that steroidal skeleton into one bearing the formula for estrogen. Plain and simple. There aren't 2 skeletons that cleave making both estrogen and dht or any other sort of combo. They both occur through their own individual enzymatic conversion processes on individual skeletons [of testosterone].
Check out any male hormone conversion chart... Google can show many out here's one on my photobucket....... and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Separate point.... kinda... is my disagreement that this is even a viable hormone supplement for the market...
I know many others like dermacrine have come and gone, impressing many... but i just don't see it and think that any male should avoid supplementing dhea like the plague unless on trt and they need a viable source for other sex hormones...
I've made multiple arguments, that cite studies, against dhea use(especially transdermal) that i can copy or link if wanted...but essentially it shows how horrible dhea really can be for a man and the horrible ratio of testosterone conversion that occurs compared to estrogen(something like 40% increase in T compared to a 300% increase in E over baseline values) and i know the argument is an AI is included BUT it's not a strong one, def not strong enough to offset those percentages. Not to mention dhea has its own intrinsic effects at the ER AND other metabolites dhea converts to(that an AI can't block)also have direct interactions at the ER....
So like I said, really unless your lacking in estrogen, I'd avoid taking dhea like the plague.
Again not trying to start an argument, just making some viable points I'd be happy to back up further if requested to do so.
Yes I have read multiple studies citing the positive effects of DHEA as well.
Do not want!
