I still don't have my own lists but would you consider Randy Couture as number 1? Your thoughts on this.
I'm a huge Saku fan, but I don't think he's the best ever. He's definitely one of the most entertaining ever though!Kazushi Sakuraba and Fedor Emelianenko are the two best ever in my opinion with with honorable mention to Royce Gracie.
Rickson's claims are highly disputed by not only skeptics, but by Helio Gracie himself.Right now I would say Fedor. But best of all time? I would have to say Carlson Gracie and Rickson Gracie. Both fought Vale Tudo in Brazil and each of them racked up between 500-600 fights without losing. While the level of competing today is much higher than it was way back when they were fighting, to be able to win that many fights without a loss is insane.
For me, it's hard to put him that high because all but 2 of his fights were in Pancrase. That and his "win" vs Randleman is one of the biggest BS decisions I've ever witnessed.Also, a fighter that no body ever mentions, who is obviously under rated and should be in a top ten best ever list is......Bas "el Guapo" Rutten.:AR15firing:
Well the disputes have never been proven either I guess. And I have a hard time believing that the very father of the "Gracie family champion" would say that his own son is lying.Rickson's claims are highly disputed by not only skeptics, but by Helio Gracie himself.
"Hélio Gracie disputed Rickson's claim to have had over 400 fights. According to Hélio, Rickson has only competed in fights that are commonly known and reported: the two against Rei Zulu and those that took place in Japan. Hélio alleged that Rickson uses practice and amateur bouts to obtain a number over 400, and that if he counted his fights like Rickson does, he would have in excess of one million."Well the disputes have never been proven either I guess. And I have a hard time believing that the very father of the "Gracie family champion" would say that his own son is lying.
I don't doubt for a second that Rickson has had a least a few hundred matches. I have however seen newspaper articles and pictures of Carlson in many fights back in the 50's. He had those around his gym when I trained there a while back.
Of course not! If that was the case then I'm way up there too....LOLNor do practice/training/sparring sessions...
Fedor
Gracie
BJ Penn
Randy Couture
George St. Pierre
Matt Hughes
Anderson Silva
Chuck Liddell
Dan Severn
Ken Shamrock
Dan Henderson
Noguiera
Cro Cop
I think Penn, George and Silva will move up on this list. I can also see Shane Carwin, Jon Bones Jones, and Cain Valesquez getting on this list within a couple years. QUOTE]
i like your list, but i don't think Penn should be ahead of GSP, if they are in order. no way. Carwin and velazquez are going to become some of the best fighters within the next couple of years and the heavyweight division is going to explode. Bones Jones has a ton of talent also. im also glad nobody has mentioned Machida..thank god. everybody including him knows he lost to Shogun. Shogun won 4 of 5 rounds easily. Machida is very overrated and i dont think he could beat Rashad Evans again if they fought.
Don't question Tha Rodja when it comes to MMA facts. He hardly offers "opinions," it's usually objective facts."Hélio Gracie disputed Rickson's claim to have had over 400 fights. According to Hélio, Rickson has only competed in fights that are commonly known and reported: the two against Rei Zulu and those that took place in Japan. Hélio alleged that Rickson uses practice and amateur bouts to obtain a number over 400, and that if he counted his fights like Rickson does, he would have in excess of one million."
I agree only with Fedor on your list. I think you listed a lot of potential, best in "their" time fighters, but 90% of those guys shouldn't be noted as best of all time. Especially considering how bad Gomi was recently raped by Florian, who isn't even the best in his division. I don't really want to make a refute to each fighter on that list. Though I do agree some of those guys were the best of their time, but certainly not all time.There's many that come to mind.
Hoyce
Fedor
Vitor
Mark Kerr....the "Smashing Machine"
Mark Coleman
Don Frye because IMO the least technical fighter of all time but was a Man who could give a beating and take a beating.
Bas
Frank Shamrock
Takanori Gomi
Sakuraba
Masakatsu Funaki
The Spider is a maybe but to early to tell and forget Brock. I do like Lyoto Machida and Chael Sonnen and they have alot of potential to be greats.
how could you forget Teila Tuli??? ummm hello the first teeth to be spilled onto the octagon floor??Joe Son
Keith Hackney
Emmanuel Yarbrough
Or more correctly Fedor. Randy Couture is up there in my opinion though, especially considering he broke into the sport at the age of 35.
one of the worsts lists ive seen.There's many that come to mind.
Hoyce
Fedor
Vitor
Mark Kerr....the "Smashing Machine"
Mark Coleman
Don Frye because IMO the least technical fighter of all time but was a Man who could give a beating and take a beating.
Bas
Frank Shamrock
Takanori Gomi
Sakuraba
Masakatsu Funaki
The Spider is a maybe but to early to tell and forget Brock. I do like Lyoto Machida and Chael Sonnen and they have alot of potential to be greats.
Technically, it was the first tooth to be kicked into a ufc audience.how could you forget Teila Tuli??? ummm hello the first teeth to be spilled onto the octagon floor??
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