Another clomid/nolva Q sorry

[power_house]

Hi I'm due to run a test e based cycle starting may 1st ! Iv done quite a few cycles with the last one containing oral winny ! This shut me down quite hard I think ! To make maters worse my pct was poor ! Iv learnt the hard way and now have all pct to hand before starting the next cycle !

My question is as I have plenty of access to clomid:nolva should I run an 8 week course of this prior to starting to get myself up and running ? I'm also currently taking Sns daa as a boost ! What do u guys think ? Pointless or not ?

I see clomid is prescribed by some docs to assist test production so this is what I'm basing my question on ? There is a possibility that due to work commitments I may delay my cycle until June/July in the mean time I'm struggling libido wise and test wise I feel !

I'm not able to get bloods as I'm uk based and it's not easy over here unfortunately !

Cheers again guys

 

[ManBeast]

unless you have bloods taken while not on any supps that mess with hormone levels in any way for at least a week prior, then all we are doing is shooting in the dark when it comes to helping you.

 

[Matthersby]

Really had a hard time understanding this so allow me to summarize what I've read:
You had little or no pct from your last cycle(although you have easy access to serm's) and as a result, you are shut down with no libido. So, the next obvious step for you is to enthusiasticly plan another cycle... But before you actually run it, your curious whether or not you should actually get your natural production up and running via nolva/clomid...
Is this about right?

 

[power_house]

Yes that's about right I appreciate it may not be the best course of action

I'm planning on a new course of test e because I feel my own test is low ! I didn't have access to serms prior otherwise I would have used them obviously !

There is so much conflicting advice I just wanted some opinions. In an ideal world I'd like to get my own natural test levels up and I have read numerous articles about trt and the use of clomid. Unfortunately for me most articles are US based. It seems the US are far more open to this than the UK. There is little or no opportunity to speak to specialists in the UK due to the way the health care system is. Consequently blood work isn't an easy option as I appreciate this would help.

So yes as a shot in the dark would a run of clomid assist me ? Or should I just run a test based cycle for 12 weeks followed by a nailed on PCT with serms in the hope it assists me.
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[Matthersby]

Yes, you should ABSOLUTELY get your natural production up and running. Running a serm and a natural test booster, such as DAA is a great way to do this. If TRT is not as easy to get on in the UK, I personally would really step back and consider if cycling is worth it. I started soley because, I know if I don't recover well from a few cycles(even with VERY thorough pct), TRT is quite an easy option for me.

 

[power_house]

Thanks for the reply I was kinda hoping that's what people would say.

What sort of dosage and time period would u suggest for a serm and daa ?

I am seriously considering not running a cycle o be honest if i go with a serm and test booster I think I will have 12 months clean and then re evaluate !

Cheers

 

[ManBeast]

not just any serm, clomid + DAA + Sustain Alpha would be my (mostly) OTC re-start stack.

I'd run it for 8 weeks, clomid at 50mg ED for the first 4 and 25mg ED for the last 3, none the last week.
DAA 3g throughout.
Sustain alpha at bottle dose the whole time.
Have an AI on hand in case you are prone to test ->estrogen aromatization.

 

[Matthersby]

^ listen to him ^ + aromasin (exemestane) for your AI.. Although everyone's got their favorites, all I hear is how great aromasin is in pct for IGF and synergisticly stimulating LH, etc.... Some old schoolers disagree with running any AI with your serm in a 'pct' but I haven't heard of one person doing this that didn't swear by it.

 

[HondaV65]

Test E is NOT going to help your natural testosterone production.

You NEED a blood test. Here in the US we have things like LabCorp - where you can bypass the doctor and order up whatever bloods you want to look at - but you pay for that. Are you telling me that the awesome health services of the UK don't allow for that? Stunning, absolutely stunning.

Why not go in to the Doc and tell him you're fatigued, you can't get an erection, you never think about sex, and you're putting on weight like it's going out of style. He'll have no choice but to order up a male hormone panel to determine your problem then.

Dude - don't do Test E until you know your endocrine is healthy ... or not.

 

[power_house]

Thanks for the input. Would you just have the AI on hand or would you add it at a reasonable dose with the clomid, daa and sustain alpha. Possibly every other day or every day id needs be. Iv never been prone to gyno issues but I will definitely have it on hand as a precaution just not sure whether the advice was to run as well as the others.

Honda unfortunately as good as the British health service is (it's free) they don't take matters like this seriously. On the face of it I'm a fit healthy male with a young family (2 kids below 3) and professional job ! They put it down to factors such as stress etc and have given me a 12 month appointment to re evaluate where I am ! I have researched labs etc but that just isn't available where I am located ! I truly wish it was otherwise I'd pay for it in a second !

This is feel is my only alternative !

I agree with what you are saying though ! Another cycle probably isn't the way to go just yet ! I was planning it purely for the testosterone and the general feeling of well being it gives ! Effectively if you like self administrating TRT !

It was interesting what you were saying about the risk of cycles being worth it in the US as TRT is so readily available. My question to that is if that's the case and from what I have read TRT is usually a low course of test cyp is the cost of doing that the legitimate way via your physician cheaper than just self medicating (obviously I appreciate you don't get the support from a medical expert by self medicating) but its a fairly basic process don't you think ?
Certainly UK wise it would be a lot cheaper to self administer low test doses than pay privately for the privilege !

I find the differences quite interesting between the US and UK but I have got to say probably the biggest similarities is the fact that people revert to steroids while mis informed particularly when it comes to PCT ! I know that was the case with me ! And I really regret it !

 

[power_house]

Sorry just another quick one

Sustain alpha isn't something I'm overly familiar with ! What's its main purpose etc I'm gonna do some research myself anyway just interested as to the reasons you like it man beast

 

[ManBeast]

stimulates the release of GnRH which in turn stimulates the release of LH and FSH to have the testes produce testosterone.

 

[Matthersby]

TRT is usually a low course of test cyp is the cost of doing that the legitimate way via your physician cheaper than just self medicating (obviously I appreciate you don't get the support from a medical expert by self medicating) but its a fairly basic process don't you think ?
Certainly UK wise it would be a lot cheaper to self administer low test doses than pay privately for the privilege !

My concern is once I'm on, it's for life, it has to be purchased illegally otherwise. Sources come and go and thats too risky because I don't ever want to be shut down completely and without my test.

 

[power_house]

Cheers man beast iv done some reading also seems to have good reviews. It's definitely something I will consider adding.

Yea mathersby I understand where you are coming from. In reality test will always be available on the black market but if you don't need to rely on the uncertainty I wouldn't either and go down the legit route of trt

 

[power_house]

Back to an earlier question would you recommend the AI (aromasin) to be taken with the clomid, daa and sustain alpha or is it a precautionary measure ? Would arimidex be suitable if I couldn't source aromasin ?

 

[Matthersby]

I cant tell you what you should do due to my own lack of experience, maybe beast has input. And researching it on your own may help. I've just read ALOT of reviews(a couple here on AM) and research on adding it to a pct, alongside clomid for additional LH stimulation and positive IGF impact etc, and it couldn't hurt alongside DAA, but it's considered unortodox and I'm certain I'll be flamed for even suggesting it.

 

[Matthersby]

The journal of clinical endocrinology and metabolism, vol. 88, no. 12, 5951-5956

Here's at least a little info on why Aromasin may be good alongside a serm due to it being a type 1 inhibitor and how it loweres shbg by 20%, blah, blah, blah. So at least I'm not using complete broscience and heresay.

 

[Matthersby]

And fyi, get a serm asap. We are getting off track with the AI, it's 1/10 the importance of running that serm.

 

[power_house]

Thanks bro I certainly won't shoot u down for making suggestions after all that's why I'm here In the first place ! My clomid will be here anyday so once it's here I will start and keep u posted ! Fingers crossed hey ! Good luck with your cycle mate.

 

[Matthersby]

Please do, good luck with everything. I would have an upset girlfriend on my hands if I killed my libido from aas use.

 

[power_house]

Yea that's a major issue for me except it's a wife and if she decides she doesn't wanna stick around its gonna cost a lot more money than a few cycles and serms lol

 

[power_house]

Just a quick question regarding the sustain alpha guys !

Is this in a cream form where it's applied to the skin ? I think from what I have been reading that is the case but also I seem to have seen some people talking about it in the form of an oral liquid ? Does it come in 2 forms ? If so which is recommended ?

If its applied to the skin ? Where in particular should it be applied ? Ie torso, arms, legs, nuts etc ?

Cheers guys

 

[ManBeast]

comes in both, transdermal is way more effective, I hope a PP rep can chime in on how to best use it for this purpose.

 

[power_house]

Yea that Would be great if they could ! I take it you have never used it yourself have you manbeast ?

 

[ManBeast]

nope, haven't done a cycle in years, and it wasn't out in 2004

 

[power_house]

How come your not doing cycles ? Through choice or necessity ? Don't answer if it's a private issue obviously just interested as your knowledge is so good !

 

[ManBeast]

life just got in the way of me being able to dedicate myself to gym/eating 100%. I still went to the gym, still ate decently, but decently is not good enough while on a cycle (for me to justify the costs).

 

[ryansm]

Just a quick question regarding the sustain alpha guys !

Is this in a cream form where it's applied to the skin ? I think from what I have been reading that is the case but also I seem to have seen some people talking about it in the form of an oral liquid ? Does it come in 2 forms ? If so which is recommended ?

If its applied to the skin ? Where in particular should it be applied ? Ie torso, arms, legs, nuts etc ?

Cheers guys

Both I suggest the topical form, you can read about it here although I recommend you also look into the TRS (Testosterone Recovery Stack) it includes DAA and two other highly important and effective products. Honestly though what the guys have stated already is right on, I will add how are you aware of low test levels (shutdown) I understand you had a poor PCT but what are you basing this judgement off of? IMO grab the TRS and Clomid and run it, also you can search on here and the PP forums about SERM (clomid) restarts as far as HPTA stimulation and garner some ideas. Additionally without blood work we are shooting in the dark

 

[power_house]

Hi thanks for the link to the sustain alpha I see is applied to the upper back which is straight forward enough

You say I'm your post "grab the trs and clomid" what is TRS sorry ?

In relation to your other questions. You are correct in that this is slightly shooting in the dark. I'm basing my info on how I feel and I definitely feel shut down from my last cycle ! I think the oral winny is to blame and obviously the poor pct which I now badly regret !

I have all the usual symptoms of low test ! I wouldn't say majorly low but iv definitely not returned to normal as far as I feel.

Really appreciate the help and once I order the sustain alpha I will start the clomid, SA and DAA and keep my fingers crossed.

Thanks

 

[ManBeast]

TRS is their full testosterone recovery stack. www.primordialperformance.com

 

[power_house]

Cheers man beast.

Is this necessary in addition to the clomid, sustain alpha and daa ?

 

[power_house]

Do u think this is worth adding to the clomid, daa and sustain alpha or isn't it necessary and more of an alternative ?

 

[ManBeast]

in your case i feel they are more "extras" from what we've discussed

 

[power_house]

Ok cheers

 

[HereToStudy]

Ok cheers

Sorry it took me a bit to get over here Power, glad beast and Ryan hooked you up with some info. If you have any follow up questions, let us know. I can also provide you with a coupon for the TRS if you have not ordered yet.

 

[power_house]

Yea that would be great I haven't ordered as yet so thanks