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I cant believe nobody knows who this was capped by.
True that, i'd help PA but i sure wouldnt go out of my way for IBE/PHF.It's known, its just that the knower isnt posting anything...
IBE didn't buy PHF.Well I'm definetly still thinking we need to be careul believeing anything the writing says. Over at MFF there's some interesting info, ibe has been known to be dishonest in the past. How diner know the owners of ibe aren't the same? Ibe bought p.h.f. And tried to hide it, than p.h.f. Bought ibe suppossedly so they could break contracts to sell hormones themselves. Weather it's true or not we won't know but it would explain why she could claim not to own ibe since she may own phf which in turns owns ibe.
Who really knows but figured I'd just throw out all thr info that's being passed around.
How can you be sure? Did you see the paperwork? Some real respectable vets and moderators who were close to the owner of phf know that someone anonamously bought PHF and than refused to say who they were. They quickly handed out bans, deleated and censored any info on ibe, and than all of a sudden start selling ibe hormones. Seems like it could all be smoke and mirrors to me. Besides what other way could IBE get out of suppossed "no contest" with they're venders. I mean can you think of a better way to give your company a new start than to fake new ownership? And we all know ibe needed a new reputation and all with past hormones testing as other compounds, selling bunk oral igf, ect. I have some info I'll be posting later where ibe actually says RTD is a bad lab. Now they're using them.... HmmmIBE didn't buy PHF.
PHF bought IBE, with the sale recently being finalized.
She doesn't own PHF. The former owners of IBE seemed very interested in getting the hell out of dodge so to speak as far as hormonal products go.
Good to have you here Greg! Been trying to get the word out on you guys here for awhile now but they ban ya here if you post non sponsors. Lol. You going to become a sponsor here? =]True that, i'd help PA but i sure wouldnt go out of my way for IBE/PHF.
There we go we can get another test from a reliable source like PA with chain of custody still good. Then no one can cry about it.Hey PA, if you like, I can also have RTP labs send you caps direct, then at least everyone here can know that chain of custody is still in tact......
All of the products I make ( well almost every single one) and "every single" product made at Mrsupps.com is made by Jwnutritional. When I used to own the Mrsupps line of products I had them tested a few times and they always come back perfect. I often posted these results over on ef because it was a great selling point.I was out of town over weekend on business and I am just getting back to this post only to find that the debate is going on. I don't know if this will help any, but as I mentioned in my earlier posts....we originally had Monsterdrol tested by our forensic toxicologist just to take a look what was in there. The reason why we wanted to get it tested was because we suspected that it would contain high amounts of DMT or contain only DMT, but to our surprise the results were truly mind blowing.
Granted this was not chain of custody in tact so I never bothered to post any of the initial findings. It was in these initial findings that we found it worthwhile to have it sent to RTP with chain of custody in tact so I purchased the new bottle during theor BOGO sale and had the bottles sent directly to RTP labs.
Originally we sent 6 capsules of Monsterdrol-XT taken from the bottle of original purchase from Ruthless Supplements. Only 1 capsule from the samples sent were tested but the following results were found:
700mg of caffeine
975 micrograms cyano-DMT present
highly toxic amount of lead (hence why we specified lead testing by RTP)
the highly toxic was from our toxicologist's mouth and his comment was also that it looked that whoever was manufacturing this, must have been using a big lead pot. No other active compounds found but we were told that it was "dirty"
Granted this is only for informational purposes. We will however request for RTP labs to send sample caps from the bottle they have at their lab to sent directly to Expertox to have a new sample run with multiple caps from the bottle to get a better idea of what these capsules contain overall. By sending the capsules directly from RTP to Expertox....chain of custody will still be in tact because again we have not had our hands on any of the samples since originally sent from Ruthless SUpplements directly to the lab.
Now what we can only conclude from the varying results and the different findings from one las to the other is that the caps are not consistent in what they contain. Remember that RTPs findings were the result of taking caps from the top, middle and bottom of the bottle and getting an average. Also, recall that RTP specifically notes in the report that of these caps, some were pure white, off white and some had visible specs. It is possible that even with RTPs findings, that an individual cap pulled from a bottle of Monsterdrol may or may not contain any or all of the trace ingredients listed in this report.
I also really don't know what to say about 1 lab finding trace amounts of 2-cyano DMT and one lab finding trace amounts of superdrol and several unidentified peaks. I do know that our forensic can identify everything in the caps, so I would be interested in paying an additional 600 bucks to have them look again at this compound.
The question that I have now is this:
Did NTBM have this capped in the US or did they have Monsterdrol capped in China?
My bet is on China.....or at least fro their sake I would hope so. It would be feasible that they ordered the ingredients and amounts listed on the bottle and received the array of mutli-cap ingredients we are finding in these test results. If this was capped in the US, then even if it can be found that 2-cyano in any amount can be found by these results, then not only did NTBM put <1mg the main active per cap but they also clearly did not put the other 2 ingredients in the bottle. This would mean that NTBM would have had to order the capsule company to put only <1mg 2-cyano and they purposely excluded the 2 other ingredients, because any capsule company in the US is going to be pretty close to accurate in filling the correct order.
So which one is it?
On a side note, I don't necessarily think NTBM did this part intentionally. I do think that they were very irresponsible by not testing their product and I do believe that Monsterdrol was actually capped in China.
My problem with NTBM is not with Nate as I have never had a direct conflict with him and I do think that he handled this information about his product professionally. My problem is with the NTBM reps. This is what triggered me to take a personal interest in the NTBM product line. Nate, your reps are going around taking trash about all your competitors, in your competitor threads and they must have been getting these orders from somewhere....so either they were getting their orders from you or some other NTBM admin. Trust me, everyone here at AM agrees about how your reps have behaved and how it was getting worse...hopefully if anything..this post will put a stop to your rep team's actions and hopefully you will be looking into new reps overall.
I will leave this up for debate also....the reality is either NTBM sent the testers real 2-cyano to have them gain all their weight or they were paid to lie. Somebody is lying here and it needs to get stopped. From what we know about this product is that there is nothing in the cap that would justify the type of gains these guys are claiming.
Yes that is what I am saying. Mistakes were made and very much owned and now we aim to fix things. Of course we will not be making the product or selling any product of its kind at RLS again but we still want to make it right with what little of the product was made.So are you saying you didn't test Monsterdrol before it was sent out to the consumers?
^^^agreedBusiness practices aside I really like his attitude to this.
It takes a big person to admit to a mistake, especially a big one and in such a public manner.
Many companies get defensive when you question them, it would have been easy to completely ignore the thread and let it run it's course.
Kudos from me, someone who isn't a rep and has never purchased or sampled a product of yours.
Is this the same for Malicious Mass as well? Same Manufacturer? And if so are you also testing that?Of course we will not be making the product or selling any product of its kind at RLS again but we still want to make it right with what little of the product was made.
Unfortunately yes the MM product was also made by the same company and yes bottles have been sent off for testing. This was another product that my normal Manufacturer could not get ( the havoc version of epi) at the time. So it seemed logical to go with this place because they were able to make both products. No other products have been made by them.Is this the same for Malicious Mass as well? Same Manufacturer? And if so are you also testing that?
Solid. no excuse ,no cover -up , just straight up. Mr chase you truly handled this like a man. I respected you before , only more now! keep your head up brother , I have made way worse mistakes than this!!!!Yes that is what I am saying. Mistakes were made and very much owned and now we aim to fix things. Of course we will not be making the product or selling any product of its kind at RLS again but we still want to make it right with what little of the product was made.
I am not hear to fight or argue or for getting to a pissing match with anyone. I have made mistakes and they need to be corrected. As for arguing it to death I cant do that and do not wish to. Sorry for that.
Agreed, Nate has my total respect for how he handled this issue. Just shows what kind of a guy he is. This thread has been ONE WILD RIDE!!! Can't wait for the results! I don't know if I can take it if MM turns out to have something else unknown in it.This is how a legit business should be ran. Mad props. I've never had any direct communication with you Nate, but after seeing how you are continually offering to make right about this error, I sure as hell wouldn't hesitate.
Bottom line- if you worried about loggers results or taking the supp. Just send it back guys. Its obvious this mistake wont be made again.
And for what its worth, Im running Epi-strong and Hella right now w/ need2slin and forma, and the results have been incredible. Maybe someone will say you only have 40 or 50 posts or whatever, who are you to say whether I have tried close to probably 150 different products over the last 5 years? My recent order just went out yesterday, and there will more to come. The results speak for themselves.
Thank you
I don't know if I can take it if MM turns out to have something else unknown in it.
I won't rule out the possibility of substance correctness just yet, but it's not looking good.Unfortunately yes the MM product was also made by the same company...
Correct along with all the other PHsSo are you saying you didn't test Monsterdrol before it was sent out to the consumers?
Are you sure you're reading :banghead:Correct along with all the other PHs
WTF does this mean?Are you sure you're reading :banghead:
You should get to be a N2BM rep for that post.Are you sure you're reading :banghead:
all the other phs? you mean malicious mass.Correct along with all the other PHs
You should get to be a N2BM rep for that post.
There we go. My comprehension of a written language certainly makes me a great candidate for other great things too.all the other phs? you mean malicious mass.
so that makes 2... not "all the others"
Lab results for Beastdrol and the rest have been posted?all the other phs? you mean malicious mass.
so that makes 2... not "all the others"
and if you were reading this thread you would have known that... only 2 products were not tested.
Gotcha just like IBE/PHF was.....................if you read this thread you would have found out that the owner of rls is not the owner of mrsups... two different companies... two different owners
This wasnt really my point. My point was Needto stated before he sold the rights to the beast, hella, epi etc ph's to mrsupps he had tests done on them and the results were even posted on EF. Mrsupps is still using the same company to fill the orders now as was used when needto had them tested, although they are all now out of his handsif you read this thread you would have found out that the owner of rls is not the owner of mrsups... two different companies... two different owners
no a legit business would be run with every precaution taken to ensure the safety of customers.. dealing with hormonals is a dangerous business, whether we like to admit it or not, incorrect dosing/the wrong compound all these things can lead to extremely serious lasting affects on a person's body. as someone has already mentioned the FDA will probably be watching this thread like a hawk. it's just more evidence for them to shut down the hormonal industry entirely when such shoddy quality control exists. yes he made a mistake, but honestly, imagine if a food product was sold with mis-labelled ingrediants, someone took it and had an extremely serious allergic reaction. there would be lawsuits, payouts and maybe even criminal negligence charges.This is how a legit business should be ran. Mad props. I've never had any direct communication with you Nate, but after seeing how you are continually offering to make right about this error, I sure as hell wouldn't hesitate.
I'm shocked more people don't know this.very few companies have the money means to get all their ph/ds stuff tested and tested correctly or even care to have it tested in the first place.this thread really reminds me of the early and mid 2000's.Correct along with all the other PHs
Its all relative to one another. Product is the subject of controversy, therefore the owner and company are subject to the same scrutiny and criticism and harshisms that the product is. If the owner is going to come on here and proclaim his integrity, honesty, and principals, then anyone who thinks/knows/has proof otherwise to counter his claims or proclamations can do so as well. You simply are straight being biased and single minded.HAHA i can just imagine you sitting behind your computer screen with your tin foil hat on creating that website! That takes alot of work man and you may have a story. But this type of ****
** is going to get this thread shut down. Its not about MDXT anymore, its about bashing NTBM and Nathan chase on a personal level. Theres some of us who want this thread open so we can see future test results. This type of shi* isnt needed and isnt helping the topic at hand! Do it somehwere else man make your own thread seperate from this to hash out your differences so those of us who care about whats inside MDXT have somewhere to reference.
Just enjoying being back, you doing ok? Gonna be home for the holidays??Ryansm! What's going on brother
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