agmatine

[saggy321]

This is good to know. I'll order it for my next mini-bulk.

 

[Force of Green]

This is good to know. I'll order it for my next mini-bulk.

That sounds like a plan. Tinker around with the dosages and different types of foods.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

i would like to see someone actually verify this with a glucometer

 

[domore]

i would like to see someone actually verify this with a glucometer

I would like to see that, too. For what it is worth, I've seen some people have success with pterostilbene (in terms of glucometer testing).

 

[mattikus]

I've been taking 750 mg post workout with Slinshot and a high carb/protein shake. Pumps and recovery have been great. Never noticed any hypo feelings with just Agmatine even when fasted. Then again I don't think I have ever gone very long after dosing without some type of carb intake.

 

[dtrain13]

i would like to see someone actually verify this with a glucometer

How would you like it done?

 

[domore]

How would you like it done?

Are you stepping up to the plate, dtrain?

 

[dtrain13]

Are you stepping up to the plate, dtrain?

Absolutely. I have a meter and as of today Synthetic Supplements 500mg caps of agmatine. I'll take pictures of the meter and time interval. I just want to know what conditions.

 

[abformulations]

You won't "feel" the effects but it will act as a GDA. Eat a high carb breakfast...oatmeal with added protein powder or whole grain pancakes with protein powder added to the mix, for example.

Would this be with the meal or 15min prior? Also would taking say sline slane v2 as well make it better? No difference? Or interfere with one another? Sorry if this was answered.

I'm taking my slinsane 15min before bfast with agmatine(500mg) and another 500mg stacked with my jack3d micro.

 

[domore]

Absolutely. I have a meter and as of today Synthetic Supplements 500mg caps of agmatine. I'll take pictures of the meter and time interval. I just want to know what conditions.

Good deal!

Hopefully, PA will stop back in this thread.

 

[Spaniard]

While agmatine does have GDA properties that's not it's main method of action. I doubt you'll see anything significant with disposal results on a glucometer. However, I'm subbed for the results.

Again, it's one of those supplements that has so many different benefits it should be a staple IMO.

- Valdez

 

[Force of Green]

While agmatine does have GDA properties that's not it's main method of action. I doubt you'll see anything significant with disposal results on a glucometer. However, I'm subbed for the results.

Again, it's one of those supplements that has so many different benefits it should be a staple IMO.

- Valdez

I thought the same thing as well and never really had these kind of issues before at 500mg and 1,000mg, as I would also usually either take it with food or eat a typical breakfast with at least 50 grams of carbs right after. But, despite what it may say in the 'supplement write-ups' or elsewhere, I don't know what else it would be. That being said, I think that the glucometer would give a better gauge as to what's going on.

 

[Spaniard]

I thought the same thing as well and never really had these kind of issues before at 500mg and 1,000mg, as I would also usually either take it with food or eat a typical breakfast with at least 50 grams of carbs right after. But, despite what it may say in the 'supplement write-ups' or elsewhere, I don't know what else it would be. That being said, I think that the glucometer would give a better gauge as to what's going on.

Everyone reacts differently to supplements there's no doubt about it but I really don't think it's going to show any sort of significance in a glucometer test.

I wasn't basing my response on supplement write ups. For agmatine to put someone into a hypoglycemic state while, yes it is possible, is also unlikely. Again, like I said everyone is different.

I remember reading an exchange of posts between yourself and PA a while back involving DAA and you were on quite a few different meds. Do you think there was a possibility of interaction with another med? Anxiety?

I'm not telling you you're wrong at all so don't take it that way. I'm just trying to get the whole picture here.

- Valdez

 

[Force of Green]

Everyone reacts differently to supplements there's no doubt about it but I really don't think it's going to show any sort of significance in a glucometer test.

I wasn't basing my response on supplement write ups. For agmatine to put someone into a hypoglycemic state while, yes it is possible, is also unlikely. Again, like I said everyone is different.

I remember reading an exchange of posts between yourself and PA a while back involving DAA and you were on quite a few different meds. Do you think there was a possibility of interaction with another med? Anxiety?

I'm not telling you you're wrong at all so don't take it that way. I'm just trying to get the whole picture here.

- Valdez

You make some good points... I originally thought it may have been an anxiety attack. I was actually able to cease treatment of Librium 40 days ago and never looked back. I also titrated off of clonidine and have been off of that for over 2 weeks. As far as anxiety, I don't really have much at all, because I was able to realize the errors of my ways and accepted responsibility for my actions... I do sometimes get residual anxiety that could be post acute withdrawal anxiety, but I think it's more or less mind over matter.

The effects came out of nowhere and they happen all the time. The other day I was at work and was vacuuming the floor and I started sweating perfusely and felt like I needed to go and just lay down and pass out. I had thought, "maybe it's because of that large, unsweetened iced tea's caffeine content?" However, I kept working through it and after 15 minutes of the shakes (bad shakes), it started to subside. Right now, I'm feeling it again and it's after I pulled out my scale and measured it exactly and timed it exactly:

8:45am - 1.5 grams of agmatine
8:55am - beef and scallop stir fry (1/4lb beef, 1/3lb scallops, vegetables, 100 grams carbs from quinoa pasta and a Greek yogurt snack w/ 22 grams sugar after breakfast for a treat)

9:45am - started feeling a bit 'uneasy'
10:10am - at State Farm dropping off a check, resolving an issue - shaky - wanted to take some candy from the bowl, but didn't
10:30am - vision is 'blippy', head is tingly, hands are shaky enough to strike the wrong keys, hearing is fading in and out, and I'm starved for SWEETS

I could eat a Greek yogurt snack and this feeling would disappear. The self-test tells me that it definitely has to do with sugar. Whether a glucometer would do anything is something that only a glucometer would read, but if it doesn't show anything, I'd be curious as to finding out what it is.

 

[Force of Green]

As far as the DAA issue, Valdez, I started taking some NAC to counter some of the excess glutamate caused by DAA's actions on the NMDA receptor and it has worked really good.

 

[Force of Green]

I do know that anxiety can be complimentary to hypoglycemia and I do think that any anxiety and confusion I experienced was caused as a result of hypoglycemia. It's subsided quite a bit now, so I'm feeling decent again. I'll probably exercise in a short while.

 

[Spaniard]

You make some good points... I originally thought it may have been an anxiety attack. I was actually able to cease treatment of Librium 40 days ago and never looked back. I also titrated off of clonidine and have been off of that for over 2 weeks. As far as anxiety, I don't really have much at all, because I was able to realize the errors of my ways and accepted responsibility for my actions... I do sometimes get residual anxiety that could be post acute withdrawal anxiety, but I think it's more or less mind over matter.

The effects came out of nowhere and they happen all the time. The other day I was at work and was vacuuming the floor and I started sweating perfusely and felt like I needed to go and just lay down and pass out. I had thought, "maybe it's because of that large, unsweetened iced tea's caffeine content?" However, I kept working through it and after 15 minutes of the shakes (bad shakes), it started to subside. Right now, I'm feeling it again and it's after I pulled out my scale and measured it exactly and timed it exactly:

8:45am - 1.5 grams of agmatine
8:55am - beef and scallop stir fry (1/4lb beef, 1/3lb scallops, vegetables, 100 grams carbs from quinoa pasta and a Greek yogurt snack w/ 22 grams sugar after breakfast for a treat)

9:45am - started feeling a bit 'uneasy'
10:10am - at State Farm dropping off a check, resolving an issue - shaky - wanted to take some candy from the bowl, but didn't
10:30am - vision is 'blippy', head is tingly, hands are shaky enough to strike the wrong keys, hearing is fading in and out, and I'm starved for SWEETS

I could eat a Greek yogurt snack and this feeling would disappear. The self-test tells me that it definitely has to do with sugar. Whether a glucometer would do anything is something that only a glucometer would read, but if it doesn't show anything, I'd be curious as to finding out what it is.

Lol that's another thing I remember about your posts - they do not lack detail

What effects are you hoping for at 1.5 g?

Also, the symptoms you're presenting with starting at about 9:45 am can be extreme anxiety setting in. I have a little experience with anxiety - my mother suffers from generalized anxiety. Right about 1030 on your time line it seems that anxiety has reached the point of hyperventilating.

You took the agmatine with 100g of carbs prior to the event that you're describing. Making hypoglycemia HIGHLY unlikely. Don't take this the wrong way as I'm trying to help but I think you may be working yourself up.

Obviously nothing I said is meant to be used as medical advice and in situations like this it's always best to consult a Dr to check with interactions etc etc...

- Valdez

 

[Force of Green]

Lol that's another thing I remember about your posts - they do not lack detail

What effects are you hoping for at 1.5 g?

Also, the symptoms you're presenting with starting at about 9:45 am can be extreme anxiety setting in. I have a little experience with anxiety - my mother suffers from generalized anxiety. Right about 1030 on your time line it seems that anxiety has reached the point of hyperventilating.

You took the agmatine with 100g of carbs prior to the event that you're describing. Making hypoglycemia HIGHLY unlikely. Don't take this the wrong way as I'm trying to help but I think you may be working yourself up.

Obviously nothing I said is meant to be used as medical advice and in situations like this it's always best to consult a Dr to check with interactions etc etc...

- Valdez

It definitely could be anxiety. There are things that occur at random that I can not explain. Generally speaking, I work for a temp agency right now and I work all kinds of jobs. I may get dispatched to work the railroads, the phosphate mines, or I may have to work at a call center or do customer service selling furniture. I tend to rule out anxiety... Well... Because generally, I just don't get it and I have had points in my life where I've had 'general' anxiety. I may have it again in the future, who knows? I can go out and jump right into things without feeling the least bit anxious and I've experienced anxiety, anxiety attacks, and a couple panic attacks. I'd like to say that after 10 years of putting my brain through the ringer and coming out of it in pretty good shape, all-in-all, I have enough life experience with myself to know my body pretty well.

Though, honestly I did at first say to myself, "An anxiety attack while running the Dirt Devil? This sucks. Well, I'll just vacuum real slow and breath a bit deeper " But then it kept happening over, and over, and over and again. I honestly have NO expectations about the effects of agmatine except that I have had good repartitioning effects with it in the past at 1 gram twice per day (Blueprint and Hemavol), so I got a good deal on agmatine while I was ordered something else anyway. I don't know why I tried upping it to 1.5 grams. I suppose I thought that if I was having no ill effects at taking 1 gram, 2x a day, some of my old thinking creeped back and I wanted to see if the extra 500mg would produce some better, more noticeable effects after about 2-3 weeks of taking it.

I must say, that the effects are outstanding... whatever they are. I can eat quite a bit more and my strength has gone up significantly. I am not trying to be uber defensive in my dismissal of the anxiety, but if it is then the anxiety is partitioning my nutrients pretty darned good and giving me some wicked recomping

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Absolutely. I have a meter and as of today Synthetic Supplements 500mg caps of agmatine. I'll take pictures of the meter and time interval. I just want to know what conditions.

maybe when you wake up on an empty stomach test your blood glucose and then take the agmatine dose and then test blood sugar every fifteen minutes there after for an hour. If there is a glucose lowering effect u should see it

 

[Patrick Arnold]

what doctor prescribes librium these days? that stuff was phased out in like the 1970s

 

[Force of Green]

what doctor prescribes librium these days? that stuff was phased out in like the 1970s

In my opinion and experience, Librium is still the most benign of the benzodiazepines ever created. Yet, it was the first to be synthesized. In many places, Librium is still the first line treatment for alcohol withdrawal syndrome (and other withdrawals alike).

 

[Spaniard]

It definitely could be anxiety. There are things that occur at random that I can not explain. Generally speaking, I work for a temp agency right now and I work all kinds of jobs. I may get dispatched to work the railroads, the phosphate mines, or I may have to work at a call center or do customer service selling furniture. I tend to rule out anxiety... Well... Because generally, I just don't get it and I have had points in my life where I've had 'general' anxiety. I may have it again in the future, who knows? I can go out and jump right into things without feeling the least bit anxious and I've experienced anxiety, anxiety attacks, and a couple panic attacks. I'd like to say that after 10 years of putting my brain through the ringer and coming out of it in pretty good shape, all-in-all, I have enough life experience with myself to know my body pretty well.

Though, honestly I did at first say to myself, "An anxiety attack while running the Dirt Devil? This sucks. Well, I'll just vacuum real slow and breath a bit deeper " But then it kept happening over, and over, and over and again. I honestly have NO expectations about the effects of agmatine except that I have had good repartitioning effects with it in the past at 1 gram twice per day (Blueprint and Hemavol), so I got a good deal on agmatine while I was ordered something else anyway. I don't know why I tried upping it to 1.5 grams. I suppose I thought that if I was having no ill effects at taking 1 gram, 2x a day, some of my old thinking creeped back and I wanted to see if the extra 500mg would produce some better, more noticeable effects after about 2-3 weeks of taking it.

I must say, that the effects are outstanding... whatever they are. I can eat quite a bit more and my strength has gone up significantly. I am not trying to be uber defensive in my dismissal of the anxiety, but if it is then the anxiety is partitioning my nutrients pretty darned good and giving me some wicked recomping

I agree agmatine is legit... Maybe try dropping the dose back to 1g I'll cheers ya I'm taking my gram right now lol.

As you know, the more attention you pay to the anxiety "take deep breaths" while vacuuming you're essentially making it worse. It's a bitch that way.

Also, just so you know agmatine has some anxiolytic properties

- Valdez

 

[Force of Green]

I agree agmatine is legit... Maybe try dropping the dose back to 1g I'll cheers ya I'm taking my gram right now lol.

As you know, the more attention you pay to the anxiety "take deep breaths" while vacuuming you're essentially making it worse. It's a bitch that way.

Also, just so you know agmatine has some anxiolytic properties

- Valdez

Good points, Valdez Cheers to the agmatine

I will end up dropping it down to 1 gram, 2x a day. Things worked best at that dose anywho.

 

[Force of Green]

Well... maybe 3x a day.... the effects are awesome.

 

[BigMikeC]

One of my coaches had me try taking a viagra in the morning before one of my bodybuilding competitions. I was very vascular at the contest but its hard to differentiate if it was from the viagra or the carb loading. Maybe both?

 

[dtrain13]

maybe when you wake up on an empty stomach test your blood glucose and then take the agmatine dose and then test blood sugar every fifteen minutes there after for an hour. If there is a glucose lowering effect u should see it

I can do that on Saturday. How many MG's?

 

[BigMikeC]

BTW Ive only used agmatine pre work and have great pumps from it. What are the advantages of taking at different times like say before bed? Gh release, Nutrient partioning? What was your experience taking it several times through out the day? I've done that with other nitric oxide boosting products (nitrix, yoked, bulk powders) but not agmatine yet. Any thoughts on taking agmatine pre-contest say the morning of a show? Think it could effect conditioning? Water weight, bloat, etc ?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

I can do that on Saturday. How many MG's?

i would go for a substantial dose, to make sure you see something if there is something to see

2000mg?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

In my opinion and experience, Librium is still the most benign of the benzodiazepines ever created. Yet, it was the first to be synthesized. In many places, Librium is still the first line treatment for alcohol withdrawal syndrome (and other withdrawals alike).

I thought it was lorazepam

 

[dtrain13]

i would go for a substantial dose, to make sure you see something if there is something to see

2000mg?

As far as I know most dose 500-1000mg. So 2000mg would be substantial.

 

[Force of Green]

I thought it was lorazepam

A lot of hospitals have the standard protocol for giving lorazepam when admitting a patient into the psych ward and/or if there are signs of aggression, but the most effective way to go at alcohol withdrawal and such (done in detox centers) would be with chlordiazepoxide injections and then switching to capsules.

 

[kisaj]

While agmatine does have GDA properties that's not it's main method of action. I doubt you'll see anything significant with disposal results on a glucometer. However, I'm subbed for the results.

Again, it's one of those supplements that has so many different benefits it should be a staple IMO.

- Valdez

I remember everytime I get a tub of Hemavol, I always feel really good on it. It has nothing to do with the pumps or endurance, but you just feel great throughout the day. I couldn't quite figure out what it was, and assumed it was the combo of everything, except that I have used everything in it other than Agmatine independently without the same feeling. After reading all mental benefits that Agmatine seems to possess, I decided to order some from SNS and put it to the test.

 

[domore]

As far as I know most dose 500-1000mg. So 2000mg would be substantial.

Still on for Saturday?

 

[dtrain13]

Still on for Saturday?

Yep. Pulled my meter out and will begin in the morning upon awakening. 2000mg dose and I will measure 4 times.

 

[domore]

Yep. Pulled my meter out and will begin in the morning upon awakening. 2000mg dose and I will measure 4 times.

Awesome. I, and hopefully many others, appreciate this.

 

[Spaniard]

Awesome. I, and hopefully many others, appreciate this.

Indeed

- Valdez

 

[BPjohn123]

Yep. Pulled my meter out and will begin in the morning upon awakening. 2000mg dose and I will measure 4 times.

Interested in your results for sure, thanks

 

[dtrain13]

Results will be posted shortly.

 

[domore]

Results will be posted shortly.

Nice!

 

[bolt10]

Results will be posted shortly.

Interested in the results.

 

[jwa254]

Just in time for some results

 

[dtrain13]

91-75-76-79 mg/dl

 

[dtrain13]

From an anecdotal perspective I could feel the drop in glucose. Much like taking a cap of Slin Sane V2 that I had been using. Using 2000mg a pop would get pretty expensive in the long run. But for those that were curious at 2000mg it does have GDA type effects.

 

[Spaniard]

From an anecdotal perspective I could feel the drop in glucose. Much like taking a cap of Slin Sane V2 that I had been using. Using 2000mg a pop would get pretty expensive in the long run. But for those that were curious at 2000mg it does have GDA type effects.

I stand corrected... Awesome man thanks for doing that for us!!

- Valdez

 

[domore]

From an anecdotal perspective I could feel the drop in glucose. Much like taking a cap of Slin Sane V2 that I had been using. Using 2000mg a pop would get pretty expensive in the long run. But for those that were curious at 2000mg it does have GDA type effects.

Awesome! Reps for you.

 

[RecompMan]

2000 mg is quite a lot


750-1000mg seems to work well

Can you do readings on that dosage as well?

 

[dtrain13]

2000 mg is quite a lot

750-1000mg seems to work well

Can you do readings on that dosage as well?

Glucose testing stuff ain't cheap...lol. I'll give 1000mg a try over the next week as I'm off work.

 

[bolt10]

I have use 1.5-2g Agmatine regularly before (SNS 100g tub is not too bad price wise). Interesting stuff! Thanks.

 

[kisaj]

Man, I can't wait for mine to get here. It was supposed to be yesterday and it didn't get here yet.

dTrain- big props for doing that testing for us.

 

[Younglifter16]

Glucose testing stuff ain't cheap...lol. I'll give 1000mg a try over the next week as I'm off work.

just want to clarify, you're not diabetic right? Thanks for doing the testing mi amigo