1st time PP cycle

[ken25]

just wanted to get some feedback and comments.

Pre-cycle for 3 weeks/Support Supplements thru cycle: Hawthorn 1100 mg/ed, RYR=1200mg/ed Co-Q10=100mg/ed, Milk Thistle 1000mg/ed, Fish Oil 10-14 g/ed, ALA 600mg/ed
Cycle
Week 1 PP 10mg/day spaced within 24hrs. ex. 2:30am and 2:30am taken with breakfast and some EFA's at same times everyday
Week 2-4 PP 20mg/day taken 8hrs apart, ex 2:30am and 10:30am-11pm, taking 2nd pill 1.5-2 hours before working out with meal, workout at 12pm.
Additional “ON” supps
Uni-Liver tabs- 6/day
Animal Pak multi
Post Cycle Therapy
Week 5: 2ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (25mg) -- Fenugreek 1g –-WB+GB—LX (75mg)
Week 6: 1.5ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) -- Fenugreek 2g – WB+GB—LX (50mg)
Week 7: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) - Fenugreek 3g – WB+GB—LX (25mg)
Week 8: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed--Fenugreek 4g-- RXT (75mg) – WB+GB--Lx (25mg)
Support Supps from Cycle through post cycle therapy
Week1-4 Cycle Support
Week 5 BEGIN post cycle therapy- Cycle Support
Week 6 - Cycle Support
Week 7- Cycle Support
Week 8 Finish remaining Cycle Support

 

[ken25]

My diet

this is my current diet. of course i will be increasing calories every week. will be adding pro complex at last meal before bedtime. nonwo day is basically same but solid meals instead of liquid. almost same cals, carbs, prot, fat.
WO day
Breakfast Cals Carbs Prot Fat
1c cereal 120 28 1 0
8oz 1%milk 110 13 9 2.5
hanfull nuts 329 14 12 25
1scoop egg pro 100 3 22 0.5
1tbsp olive oil 120 0 0 14
2 fish oils
Meal
2tbsp pb 210 6 8 16
1tbsp jelly 40 10 0 0
2 slices wheat 200 40 10 3
banana 105 27 1.3 0.4
1tbsp flax oil 130 0 0 14
2 fish oils
1litre h2o w/ 1scoop purple wraath
Meal
Myoplex MRP 280 24 42 3
oatmeal bar 130 23 2 3.5
1 ffree yogurt 100 19 5 0
After work PREWO Meal
Lettuce & spinach 30 6 2 0
6oz chix breast 180 0 33 4.5
banana 105 27 1.3 0.4
During WO
3scoops Xtend
4tbsp gatorade 200 52 0 0
PWO
3scoops cytogainer465 60 42 3.75
1/2c oats 150 27 5 3
Meal
8oz lean sirloin 416 0 70 13
8oz red potato 202 45 5 0
1/2bag celery 30 5 0 0
Meal
1c oatmeal 300 54 10 6
banana 105 27 1.3 0.4
1/2c applesauce 90 21 0 0
2 fish oils










4247 531 281.9 112.95

 

[Werewolf]

just wanted to get some feedback and comments.

Pre-cycle for 3 weeks/Support Supplements thru cycle: Hawthorn 1100 mg/ed, RYR=1200mg/ed Co-Q10=100mg/ed, Milk Thistle 1000mg/ed, Fish Oil 10-14 g/ed, ALA 600mg/ed
Cycle
Week 1 PP 10mg/day spaced within 24hrs. ex. 2:30am and 2:30am taken with breakfast and some EFA's at same times everyday
Week 2-4 PP 20mg/day taken 8hrs apart, ex 2:30am and 10:30am-11pm, taking 2nd pill 1.5-2 hours before working out with meal, workout at 12pm.
Additional “ON” supps
Uni-Liver tabs- 6/day
Animal Pak multi
Post Cycle Therapy
Week 5: 2ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (25mg) -- Fenugreek 1g –-WB+GB—LX (75mg)
Week 6: 1.5ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) -- Fenugreek 2g – WB+GB—LX (50mg)
Week 7: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) - Fenugreek 3g – WB+GB—LX (25mg)
Week 8: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed--Fenugreek 4g-- RXT (75mg) – WB+GB--Lx (25mg)
Support Supps from Cycle through post cycle therapy
Week1-4 Cycle Support
Week 5 BEGIN post cycle therapy- Cycle Support
Week 6 - Cycle Support
Week 7- Cycle Support
Week 8 Finish remaining Cycle Support

Looks pretty good to me. I will offer some possible improvements.

Toremifene is much much faster the tamoxifen. 200mgs of DHEA for first week (4 days for Toremifene) of PCT will provide some estrogen support , etc. You will come off the PP with suppressed estrogen levels. Then tapering the DHEA down quickly over the next week or two. Going over 50 mgs of RXT has caused some people problems with libido. I go with 50 mgs of RXT (ADT) and one Rebound Reloaded. I start throwing in ActiveTe in week 2 of PCT and head into a 8 week NHA stack.

If you decide to run Toremifene, then I would recommend waiting until week 2 of PCT to start 25 mgs of RXT. I am very careful about my keeping my estrogen levels from being pushed extremely low and getting sick because of it. Toremifene works so good that I just let it do this job from the first week.

I think that the "Uni-Liver tabs- 6/day" maybe reduntant to Cycle Support.

 

[ken25]

thanks for the reply werewolf. i would look into torem but already have tamox on hand. i'll look into the activate as my cycle days pass. thanks again.

 

[ken25]

I think that the "Uni-Liver tabs- 6/day" maybe reduntant to Cycle Support.

please elaborate.

 

[Werewolf]

please elaborate.

Sorry, I thought it was another liver support product, not pills made out of liver.

 

[ken25]

I start throwing in ActiveTe in week 2 of PCT and head into a 8 week NHA stack.

Revised. Comments? Suggestions?

Post Cycle Therapy
5: 2ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (25mg) -- Fenugreek 1g –-WB+GB—LX (75mg)--DHEA 200mgs/3days, 50mg/4days
6: 1.5ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) -- Fenugreek 2g-WB+GB—LX (50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
7: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) - Fenugreek 3g – WB+GB—LX(25mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
8: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed--Fenugreek 4g-- RXT (50mg) – WB+GB--Lx (25mg)ActivaTe 1600mg
9: RXT(50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
10:RXT(50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
11:RXT(50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
12:RXT(25mg)

if i were to add 2pills of 6oxo, would it be ed or eod?

 

[Werewolf]

Revised. Comments? Suggestions?

Post Cycle Therapy
5: 2ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (25mg) -- Fenugreek 1g –-WB+GB—LX (75mg)--DHEA 200mgs/3days, 50mg/4days
6: 1.5ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) -- Fenugreek 2g-WB+GB—LX (50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
7: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) - Fenugreek 3g – WB+GB—LX(25mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
8: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed--Fenugreek 4g-- RXT (50mg) – WB+GB--Lx (25mg)ActivaTe 1600mg
9: RXT(50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
10:RXT(50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
11:RXT(50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
12:RXT(25mg)

if i were to add 2pills of 6oxo, would it be ed or eod?

Adding 1 6oxo ED starting in week 7 and ending week 10 would work very well. Adding a second 6oxo in weeks 8 and 9 may cause some libido issues, but you can try if you want. 6oxo always needs tapered off of to prevent estrogen rebound.

You can go at least 2 weeks longer with ActivaTe than you show. You can up to double your ActivaTe dosing. I run about 6 a day.

You going to really like NHA. Lots of energy and you feel really good. Acne can be a problem. Around 3 grms of B-5 can do wonders. 2 ounces of lemon juice can also lower oil output, but is hard on teeth so mix or chase. Works great first thing in morning if you have trouble waking up (straight with chaser)

 

[ken25]

thanks wolf, appreciated. :head:

 

[ken25]

Revised. Comments? Suggestions?

Post Cycle Therapy
5: 2ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (25mg) -- Fenugreek 1g –-WB+GB—LX (75mg)--DHEA 200mgs/3days, 50mg/4days
6: 1.5ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) -- Fenugreek 2g-WB+GB—LX (50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
7: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) - Fenugreek 3g – WB+GB—LX(25mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
8: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed--Fenugreek 4g-- RXT (50mg) – WB+GB--Lx (25mg)ActivaTe 1600mg
9: RXT(50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
10:RXT(50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
11:RXT(50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
12:RXT(25mg)

if i were to add 2pills of 6oxo, would it be ed or eod?

should i be running LX longer now that i am going into this nha? would it be okay to run rxt at 50mg for 6weeks or should i go to 25mgs for the last two or three?

update on cycle. this is my last week of pp and im up 12lbs with hardly any water bloat at all.

 

[Werewolf]

should i be running LX longer now that i am going into this nha? would it be okay to run rxt at 50mg for 6weeks or should i go to 25mgs for the last two or three?

update on cycle. this is my last week of pp and im up 12lbs with hardly any water bloat at all.

Congradulations for the 12 pounds up. :woohoo:

I don't see a need to run LX longer or a problem with doing so either. If you are under a lot of stress or you are trying lose fat then it would be good to run.

I would only drop to 25 mgs RXT for last four days. Dr D actually says you don't need to taper off of RXT since it has such a long half-life it tapers itself. I play it safe. 6-OXO definitely needs to tapered off of. 6-OXO has a very short half-life and needs to be taken in the evening.

 

[Werewolf]

I marked up your post cycle therapy for clarity.

Post Cycle Therapy
5: 2ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (25mg) -- Fenugreek 1g –-WB+GB—LX (75mg)--DHEA 200mgs/3days, 50mg/4days
6: 1.5ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) -- Fenugreek 2g-WB+GB—LX (50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
7: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) one 6-OXO- Fenugreek 3g – WB+GB—LX(25mg)-ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
8: 0.5ml tamoxifen citrate/ed--Fenugreek 4g-- RXT (50mg) – two 6-OXO- WB+GB--Lx (25mg)ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
9: RXT(50mg)-two 6-OXO -ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
10:RXT(50mg)-two 6-OXO -ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
11:RXT(50mg)-two 6-OXO -ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
12:RXT(50mg)-two 6-OXO -ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
13:RXT(50mg)-one 6-OXO -ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
14:RXT(50mg)-ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
Run 4 more days at RXT(25mg)-ActivaTe 1600

A small warning that your balls will roughly double in size (volume) and output. Your free testosterone will go to thriple.

You can also step into NHA cycle by RXT 25mgs, then RXT 25mgs + one 6 OXO, then RXT 50mgs + one 6-OXO, then RXT 50mgs + two 6-OXO. This gives even less chance of libido issues. There is a small chance that at 2+2 you may libido issues with low estrogen, but I doubt it at your age.

 

[ken25]

i have an ecto body type. would it even be necessary for me to run LX or should i just use it at a low dose for pct?

 

[Werewolf]

i have an ecto body type. would it even be necessary for me to run LX or should i just use it at a low dose for post cycle therapy?

You only need during PCT unless you are highly stressed mentally or physically.

 

[ken25]

hey, thanks again. seems i have to spread some reps around. IOU reps.

 

[ken25]

Im in week 8 and have only been taking one 6o/day. My schedule has been a little messed up for the past couple of weeks. I have missed a few pills here and there and have taken some at different times. Havent been able to make it to the gym for the past week. Finished out my tamox like I should have. Ive been noticing minor flare ups lately but am concerned about it. WTF? Thinkin I want to just abort the NHA and save it for another day. Should I; A) Stop taking all pills completely. B) Taper down the RXT to 25mgs/day and get off 6o and see what happens. OR C) Can I just drop everything right now and start nolva again.

 

[Werewolf]

Im in week 8 and have only been taking one 6o/day. My schedule has been a little messed up for the past couple of weeks. I have missed a few pills here and there and have taken some at different times. Havent been able to make it to the gym for the past week. Finished out my tamox like I should have. Ive been noticing minor flare ups lately but am concerned about it. WTF? Thinkin I want to just abort the NHA and save it for another day. Should I; A) Stop taking all pills completely. B) Taper down the RXT to 25mgs/day and get off 6o and see what happens. OR C) Can I just drop everything right now and start nolva again.

You saying your having trouble with Gyno. This doesn't make sense while actually on AI. Your estrogen levels should be under control and low. Drop any Dhea you are taking.

Taking pills at different times should cause gyno. Missing taking pills, but if it is rare and not many days then it should cause gyno. RXT lasts many days.

This isn't making sense to me. Coming off the AIs isn't the right idea if think you are having gyno problems. If you really think having gyno problem then add some Nolva.

 

[ken25]

Started Nolva at 40 four days ago. Going to try and do a 40/20 and see what happens. No lumps, just a bit pointy and a tad puffy.