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Awesome progress bro. It is a lot to cut but I don't doubt you have the discipline and dedication to do it. I'm getting ready to start a bulk myself. Good motivation here. The post cut pics should be amazing.
12% im a bit of an old man 42 and really not a big fan of the way 6 -8 % looks on guys my age, but i will evaluate when i hit my goal. Ill prob end up going for 10% see how that lookshow lean are you wanting to get?
Keeping the calories high, I have modified and cycling my carbs eating 100% clean and on ECA stack, HIIT cardio 5-6 days a week. So slow and steady maintain the muscle is the approach, in last 7 days weight remained the same but dropped 1/2 in on my waist, very happy with that, strength remains very near highs. Will be cycling clen and the ECA stack for 4 - 6 weeks starting March 1st.Looks good. ~10% is a fair goal I'd say. No need to go lower really unless you want to look totally jacked. There is plenty of definition and separation of muscle groups present at ~10%. What is your diet consisting of right now and how many total Kcal are you taking in daily? Just curious. Keep it up.
oh and if the retards from yesterday are reading, Libertan01 and co (doubt it, that would require time and use of the search button) i obtained the vast majority of my knowledge from the likes of you and others on this board, nutrition, supps, training, cardio, yes and the use of AAS. Its all here if your prepared to look, knowledge is king well its a close second to cash.Looks good. ~10% is a fair goal I'd say. No need to go lower really unless you want to look totally jacked. There is plenty of definition and separation of muscle groups present at ~10%. What is your diet consisting of right now and how many total Kcal are you taking in daily? Just curious. Keep it up.
7"gonna need a strong cut, chest grew a ton though
fair commentLookin good man!
Time for a longer pair of shorts while you're on the beach though! haha jk
Nobody likes short shorts
Gonna have to disagree on a couple of levels, firstly whilst i certainly put on plenty of fat the last picture was @ the end of my last cycle and a considerable amount of that was water bloat. Im not that unahappy about the fat gained either as i took a powerlifting approach and in that respect i was entirely happy with a 375lb bench (would never have got there without the extra weight), i did take precautions in that regard had 5 blood tests in that period and monitored my blood pressure. Im currently down 21 lbs from the last pic and estimate another 12 - 15lb will put me in the 12% bf range right about where i started but with added 45lb muscle in 14 months thats 3.24lb per month and at the same got to set some big personal bests along the way. Not quite sure i understand this ref however "this is assuming lack of DNP/T3/Clen, etc.,)" is that a question? anyway cycling Clen/ECA every 2 weeks.If I was being entirely forthcoming, and basing this only off the pictures you have posted, I would say you have done this in the most difficult and physiologically taxing way possible. You estimate only 35lbs of that is fat, but I find that difficult to believe: even on a so-called "lean-bulk," one can fairly estimate fat gain to be about 10-15% of total body mass increase (this is assuming lack of DNP/T3/Clen, etc.,). Given the increase in gross-musculature over this same period, the gains in body fat can seem relatively negligible to the eye. Given the extremely visible nature of your fat mass, in conjunction with the fact the general composition and structure of the underlying muscle has not seemed to change (and it would, given 45lbs muscle gain), I would certainly say at least 55-60% of your mass has been a combination of glycogen, water and fat - and this is particularly true when one considers your use of AAS.
I am nobody's babysitter, nor do I intend to be, but you could have easily gained 40lbs of relatively lean mass by extending your period by six months, using a proper diet, and if you so chose, an appropriate selection of AAS. As it stands now, your overall phase will have extended past that period, put more tax on your body than one ever should, and you will most likely end up with less lean mass.
In all honesty, however, good luck. I am being entirely serious.
Also at that time i wanted to stick an Oral PH so that kind of ruled out a 6 month cycle but yes you are right in that regard and that is the route i will go going fwd. It was a fun journey to be honest but not one i would do again, def lean bulk going fwd and have been planning and researching exactly that,If I was being entirely forthcoming, and basing this only off the pictures you have posted, I would say you have done this in the most difficult and physiologically taxing way possible. You estimate only 35lbs of that is fat, but I find that difficult to believe: even on a so-called "lean-bulk," one can fairly estimate fat gain to be about 10-15% of total body mass increase (this is assuming lack of DNP/T3/Clen, etc.,). Given the increase in gross-musculature over this same period, the gains in body fat can seem relatively negligible to the eye. Given the extremely visible nature of your fat mass, in conjunction with the fact the general composition and structure of the underlying muscle has not seemed to change (and it would, given 45lbs muscle gain), I would certainly say at least 55-60% of your mass has been a combination of glycogen, water and fat - and this is particularly true when one considers your use of AAS.
I am nobody's babysitter, nor do I intend to be, but you could have easily gained 40lbs of relatively lean mass by extending your period by six months, using a proper diet, and if you so chose, an appropriate selection of AAS. As it stands now, your overall phase will have extended past that period, put more tax on your body than one ever should, and you will most likely end up with less lean mass.
In all honesty, however, good luck. I am being entirely serious.
No disrespect intended, here, but a 375lb bench at 255lbs, while respectful, is certainly no justification for anywhere from 35-45lbs of fat, water and glycogen gain - and in reality, that is only a coefficient of 1.47, which is by no means proficient by power lifting standards. And yes, that type of increase would have most certainly been possible in the same time frame without such a precipitous increase in fat mass (using the term to blanket water, glycogen, fat).Gonna have to disagree on a couple of levels, firstly whilst i certainly put on plenty of fat the last picture was @ the end of my last cycle and a considerable amount of that was water bloat. Im not that unahappy about the fat gained either as i took a powerlifting approach and in that respect i was entirely happy with a 375lb bench (would never have got there without the extra weight), i did take precautions in that regard had 5 blood tests in that period and monitored my blood pressure. Im currently down 21 lbs from the last pic and estimate another 12 - 15lb will put me in the 12% bf range right about where i started but with added 45lb muscle in 14 months thats 3.24lb per month and at the same got to set some big personal bests along the way. Not quite sure i understand this ref however "this is assuming lack of DNP/T3/Clen, etc.,)" is that a question? anyway cycling Clen/ECA every 2 weeks.
The photos wont lie just give me another 32 days
No disrespect intended, here, but a 375lb bench at 255lbs, while respectful, is certainly no justification for anywhere from 35-45lbs of fat, water and glycogen gain - and in reality, that is only a coefficient of 1.47, which is by no means proficient by power lifting standards. And yes, that type of increase would have most certainly been possible in the same time frame without such a precipitous increase in fat mass (using the term to blanket water, glycogen, fat).
Unfortunately, you are overestimating the amount of LBM you obtained during this period, and grossly underestimating the amount of LBM you will atrophy during your next cutting phase: my estimates include a very high rate of Aldosterone production which most likely resulted from the compounds you used, in addition to the diet you employed, as well as gross glycogen synthesis, which will recede, again due to the compounds you used and the diet you employed. The rate at which you chose to gain mass, and the manner in which you gained it, simply lend themselves to metabolic (and possibly morphological) changes that do not speak to your point. And as harsh as that sounds, it is simply true.
In an ideal situation, with the choice of appropriate compounds which do not come associated with a high rate of glycogen and/or aldosterone synthesis (Anavar, for example) one could be happy with .8 - 1lb of lean tissue synthesis per week. And again, this is assuming ideal diet, ideal rest, proper choice of compounds. As it stands, given your choice of compounds and diet, I would estimate approximately .4 - .5lb per week, or two pounds per month; leading to a total gain of, at most, around 20lbs. Now, another 10-15lbs of this is a combination of water and glycogen, which I am not counting as fat mass at this time, with the difference obviously being adipose mass. While I am sure these are disappointing figures to hear, they are not up for contention: these are rates of hypertrophy based on ideal rates of protein synthesis and protein turnover in skeletal muscle. If you surpassed these levels, I would suggest you donate your body to science, as your muscle biopsy would surely be of great help in pathologies that contain chronic atrophy.
This is going to be my last post on the manner, as I am not your moral guide nor your babysitter: it is not my place to judge you, and I certainly do not want to come across as condescending, but rather, I am simply choosing to be real with you.
thx may not be evrybody but it worked for me and im very pleased with the results so far. I am a hard gainer myself and it is for this reason that i adopted this approach, each to their own i saygood job man.this ppl who say you put on to much fat are the same ppl who cry about being hard gainers they do not get it.there is a reason y most your big bb were once power lifters.i lifted from the time i was 15 untill 30 i was a hard gainer i could not get my arms over 17 in. at 30 i was married with kids put on some fat and keeped lifting more power lifting i would say.arms went to 19 in. ppl would say ya but thats fat and some was.now im in my late 30 and cut back down.arms are at 18.5. your on the right track keep going the hard gainers will still be here whinning
thanks man... reading up on Clen as i wait for for it to arrive any pointers appreciatedGood show man. Your cut is coming along very nicely. You should snap a shot of your back though. Your traps look wide from the front even. I gotta say, your determination gives me motivation bro. Keep rippin' it up. You're doing an amazing job so far imo.
Clen and ephedrine are pretty much gonna activate the same receptors. Alternating them isn't really a good idea because your beta-adrenergic will remain down-regulated.Gonna have to disagree on a couple of levels, firstly whilst i certainly put on plenty of fat the last picture was @ the end of my last cycle and a considerable amount of that was water bloat. Im not that unahappy about the fat gained either as i took a powerlifting approach and in that respect i was entirely happy with a 375lb bench (would never have got there without the extra weight), i did take precautions in that regard had 5 blood tests in that period and monitored my blood pressure. Im currently down 21 lbs from the last pic and estimate another 12 - 15lb will put me in the 12% bf range right about where i started but with added 45lb muscle in 14 months thats 3.24lb per month and at the same got to set some big personal bests along the way. Not quite sure i understand this ref however "this is assuming lack of DNP/T3/Clen, etc.,)" is that a question? anyway cycling Clen/ECA every 2 weeks.
The photos wont lie just give me another 32 days
Not necessarily true. Clen is a potent Beta-2 Adrenergic agonist which cause rapid down-regulation where as Ephedrine works within the sympathetic nervous system and indirectly activates not just the B-2 but beta as well as alpha adrenergic receptors by way of stimulatory effects on noradrenalin release. It is a poor agonist for the B-2 receptor. It is often used in conjunction with a 2 week Clen cycle so you can buy time while your adrenals up-regulate again. Taking an antihistamine like Diphenhydramine will help facilitate the up-regulation. Ketotifen also is another popular choice for this purpose. I will post later tonight about my experience with Clen edwitt. I am going to the gym now but will jump on AM before I finish studying for my exam in the morning, lol.Clen and ephedrine are pretty much gonna activate the same receptors. Alternating them isn't really a good idea because your beta-adrenergic will remain down-regulated.
Please...i would definitely appreciate that, just read this protocol http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240 its a good readNot necessarily true. Clen is a potent Beta-2 Adrenergic agonist which cause rapid down-regulation where as Ephedrine works within the sympathetic nervous system and indirectly activates not just the B-2 but beta as well as alpha adrenergic receptors by way of stimulatory effects on noradrenalin release. It is a poor agonist for the B-2 receptor. It is often used in conjunction with a 2 week Clen cycle so you can buy time while your adrenals up-regulate again. Taking an antihistamine like Diphenhydramine will help facilitate the up-regulation. Ketotifen also is another popular choice for this purpose. I will post later tonight about my experience with Clen edwitt. I am going to the gym now but will jump on AM before I finish studying for my exam in the morning, lol.
Not necessarily true. Clen is a potent Beta-2 Adrenergic agonist which cause rapid down-regulation where as Ephedrine works within the sympathetic nervous system and indirectly activates not just the B-2 but beta as well as alpha adrenergic receptors by way of stimulatory effects on noradrenalin release. It is a poor agonist for the B-2 receptor. It is often used in conjunction with a 2 week Clen cycle so you can buy time while your adrenals up-regulate again. Taking an antihistamine like Diphenhydramine will help facilitate the up-regulation. Ketotifen also is another popular choice for this purpose. I will post later tonight about my experience with Clen edwitt. I am going to the gym now but will jump on AM before I finish studying for my exam in the morning, lol.
I had gone through a bit of a rough patch (2yrs no gym) booze drugs loose women etc i was burning the candles so to speak and then BAM. ****ed myself up real good, couple of ribs,lung, shattered femur etc. In retrospect however it gave me a good kick in the teeth and gave me new appreciation for life.Physiology has nothing to do with mental, it's more based on biology. It's been a while since I dove into the mystery that is biology but I am almost sure I remember correctly. That being said, it was meant more to mean that you taxed your "body" to an extent which you may or may not have needed to...(i.e. a better way around the mountain than trying to go through it)
Perhaps you taxed your mental stability as well but that wasn't the direction of that statement above, just saying...
Incidentally, just what were your numbers on an average visit to the gym before the accident, strength wise that is?
I had gone through a bit of a rough patch (2yrs no gym) booze drugs loose women etc i was burning the candles so to speak and then BAM. ****ed myself up real good, couple of ribs,lung, shattered femur etc. In retrospect however it gave me a good kick in the teeth and gave me new appreciation for life.
So in answer to your question prior accident i was not in very good shape at all and i guess ive always had a predisposition to a go through the mountain or wall in my case, dont try that at home, it hurts.
Extremely happy to report Day 6 226.8 that down 5lbs in 5 days and 0.8" off the waistYou only live once. Hope your keeping a record at home. Your braver than me. I do extreme things to myself but i don't tell anyone unless it works. When i take a before picture i won't look at it until after i've taken my after picture. I'm my worst critic. Keep going. As far as genetics goes, F$#@ genetics. Thats what smart scientists are for.
Day 9Sure is...But your not doing it when your losing 5lbs in 5 days...To keep muscle loss to a minimum you should only be losing 2-3lbs per week max...Also some muscle loss is a given...However it's more than likely not gonna be enough to really make a difference.
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