12 Week Dianabol, Test, Tren lean bulking cycle log

[fueledpassion]

Fp did u also get her prego last night? What I mean is of course u will bust and even drench ur wife in sperm. But can that sperm actually creat a healthy baby when on trt w hcg/clomid etc..?

Well, thats the point I am making though about the men's clinic that I go to. They have 10,000+ patients just in the area I live in and have been doing this for over 10 years now. They know it works since they have been doing it consistently for quite some time now. Lower the dose + hcg protocol is sufficient for most of the men that are on TRT.

Not to mention the countless number of men that have gotten their wives pregnant during a cycle...

 

[Matthersby]

There is no possibility of an unhealthy baby using any hormonal product.

 

[fueledpassion]

cycle update:

okay guys week 6 is coming to an end.. 10 more weeks to go.

Stats:
205 lbs
Around 16-17 % body fat

Starting this monday week 7, i begin my 10 week cut.
Starting clen at 40 mcg will taper up, winstrol at 50 mg ed, keeping test at 500 a week and tren ace 350 a week.

On my 6 week bulk i put on around 22-23 lbs, a good amount of it which was water, no noticebale fat gains.
Eating 4000 calories a day, roughly 300 grams of protein, high carbs, good amount of fats.

On the cutting portion of my cycle, i will lower my calories to 2500-3000, carb cycling, two low carb days and one moderate carb day to keep muscles full with glycogen. Will be doing 15 Min HIIT cardio before lifting sessions and in the morning fasted on off days.

Goal is to get to 175-180 lbs by mid December at sub 10% bodyfat. Is this achievable with what i layed out?

If fat loss slows down then will incorporate more cardio, cut calories to 2300-2500, and perhaps t3 but I think i should be fine for now...

any suggestions?


progress pic.
205 lbs, strong, bloated and holding a good amount of fat.
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Assuming you are going to lower the test dose as you run the tren from here on out..I would suggest eating maintenance calories and adding cardio to the routine.

week 7 - 30 min cardio 5-7 times per wk
week 8 - 45 min cardio 5-7 per wk
week 9 - 60 min cardio 5 times/wk
week 10 - 60 min cardio 5 per wk
week 11 - 75 min cardio 5 per wk
week 12 - 75 min cardio 7 per wk

If you eat maintenance, which should be in the 3200 calorie range, you'll get ripped and won't lose an ounce of muscle in the process. Tren makes the impossible very possible, my friend. However, to lose that much body fat in this period of time,you'll have to put in your fair share of cardio. This should be treated similar to pre-contest dieting. Lower the cals alittle bit, increase the cardio alot, and start shifting your macros away from carbs and more to protein and fats as you approach week 12...

Thats what I'd do...

 

[RussianAK47]

Thanks for your help FP. It's much appreciated =)

So yesterday beginning of week 7 I started my cut.
Took 40 mcg of clen, was shaking but i will build a tolerance to it quick.
Did 15 min of cardio after my lifting training session.
Still on 500 mg of test, 350 mg of tren.

I'm thinking of using the winstrol in the last 6-8 weeks.. i dont want to run it for the full 10 week cut because of the liver toxicity... especially considering i used dbol for 4 weeks in the beginning.. thats a lot of orals.. What do u think FP? If i take milk thistle and dont drink is it relatively safe to run 50 mg of Winny for 10 weeks? Or should i just save it for the last 6 weeks to harden.

Weight is down to 201 already, was at 204 on Sunday.
I attribute that to me taking a diuritic yesterday and clen, losing water weight.

 

[dubfungus]

Fuxk your joints are going to hate you haha

 

[RussianAK47]

Lol its all good dubfungus i work at gnc i got that glucosamine for the joints

im about to say **** it and just runny winny for 10 weeks, do 30 mgs the first week, 40 second, then kill it with 50 from then on.
Go heavy on the liver support supps, fish oil, and joint supports and stay away from alcohol.
should be good lol

btw FP i repped you, youve been very helpful thanks man

 

[Matthersby]

Hey AK, been lurking since the beginning, I don't know if I'm missing something or if everyone else is, but allotting 2 weeks between a 4 week liver toxic oral and starting another for 10 is reeeeeeaaaaly pushing it in the toxicity aspect. You've had a really successful cycle already and could easily cut on test/tren or even test alone without losing an ounce of muscle. Like I said, if I'm missing something, disregard. But I personally, since I like finishers, would just run it the last two weeks and an additional two while the esters clear. That way you've got a 4 week liver recoup/4 week winnie run. Best of luck...

 

[fueledpassion]

Thanks for your help FP. It's much appreciated =)

So yesterday beginning of week 7 I started my cut.
Took 40 mcg of clen, was shaking but i will build a tolerance to it quick.
Did 15 min of cardio after my lifting training session.
Still on 500 mg of test, 350 mg of tren.

I'm thinking of using the winstrol in the last 6-8 weeks.. i dont want to run it for the full 10 week cut because of the liver toxicity... especially considering i used dbol for 4 weeks in the beginning.. thats a lot of orals.. What do u think FP? If i take milk thistle and dont drink is it relatively safe to run 50 mg of Winny for 10 weeks? Or should i just save it for the last 6 weeks to harden.

Weight is down to 201 already, was at 204 on Sunday.
I attribute that to me taking a diuritic yesterday and clen, losing water weight.

You dont need Winny to do this right. That Tren will get exponentially tougher each passing week. Granted, when I did it I ran Tren-E, so the stuff compounded as i went along, getting more and more intense.

I recommend tapering the Test dose all the way down to 150mg/wk over the next three weeks. You'll start drying up. If you wanted to add anything, add MASTERON. Freakin Masteron is golden especially with Tren. It'll get you even more ripped, and much safer than Winny could ever amount to. Even better is its anti-estrogen properties so it fights gyno symptons very well. Since Mast-P is the most common form, I'd run it like this..

Test - 150mg/wk
Tren - 350mg/wk
Mast - 300mg/wk

Ride that all the way to the end. Taking Tren out first --> then taper Masteron to 150mg/wk for a few weeks --> then dropping both Mast and Test for PCT. Heck, techinically you could use 100mg Masteron during PCT as well to keep estrogen at bay, just a thought. I've never tried that but it might work well since I have heard of others doing this.

The best thing about dropping the Test down and keeping the Tren the same is you'll notice no change in strength or lean tissue development. Tren whips Test at competing with androgen receptors. Lots of that Test is likely converting to estrogen since it can't compete with Tren at the receptor site, which is why its best to run testosterone at a low dose...even better, using a long ester Test w/ a short ester Tren. That way, Tren fries up quickly but you still have some Test floating in your system to take over. So really you'll only notice water weight coming off. Now, you might also notice sex drive changes. No worries. Just make adjustments as needed. I personally would run Melanotan II to help with sex drive and to stifle appetite since Tren makes me sssooooooo hungry.

Just my thoughts. Cardio, Protein and Tren/Mast. Those alone will give results with or without Testosterone and Winny.

 

[RussianAK47]

yeah ur right bro, gunna save the winny for last 4 weeks. Go easy on my liver

Don't have any masteron for this cycle..

next cycle will be andromix though, 350 mg test, 350 mg tren, 350 mg masteron per week =)

already taking melanotan 2. that stuff is just amazing, gives my body a nice tan glow, wake up in the morning with hardons of steel, nectar of the gods lol

 

[RussianAK47]

yeah ur right bro, gunna save the winny for last 4 weeks. Go easy on my liver

Don't have any masteron for this cycle..

next cycle will be andromix though, 350 mg test, 350 mg tren, 350 mg masteron per week =)

already taking melanotan 2. that stuff is just amazing, gives my body a nice tan glow, wake up in the morning with hardons of steel, nectar of the gods lol

 

[fueledpassion]

yeah ur right bro, gunna save the winny for last 4 weeks. Go easy on my liver

Don't have any masteron for this cycle..

next cycle will be andromix though, 350 mg test, 350 mg tren, 350 mg masteron per week =)

already taking melanotan 2. that stuff is just amazing, gives my body a nice tan glow, wake up in the morning with hardons of steel, nectar of the gods lol

Ur next cycle will be more fun, IMO. Better composition changes anyways...Thing is about Tren is the more you eat, the harder & leaner you get, lol. Test packs on weight and makes you feel just right, but Tren has a more pronounced effect on lean tissue development only.

I kinda look at Tren as a laser beam effect on strength and muscle mass, while Test is like a shotgun affect, increasing everything - muscle, weight, water, estrogen, dopamine, IGF, etc. Tren just addresses that IGF/strength/nutrient partitioning most of all, thus - quality gains. Granted, I still don't think it is the best bulker.

Now...Dbol and Tren w/ low dose of Test - absolutely the best bulking stack out there.

 

[RussianAK47]

Wow FP you sure know a thing or two about anabolics =)
I wasn't a big fan of dbol i felt very chunky and bloated, granted its only temporary. but i would rather go for dry hard lean gains instead of the quick water bloat. plus its easier to gauge how much lean tissue you build if water is out of the equation.


Also FP i have a quick question for you, i lost 4 lbs in 3 days since starting my cut on monday. is it safe to say that is mostly water?

did back today, strength is same, maybe slightly increased since last week so i think im not losing any muscle tissue.

 

[fueledpassion]

Wow FP you sure know a thing or two about anabolics =)
I wasn't a big fan of dbol i felt very chunky and bloated, granted its only temporary. but i would rather go for dry hard lean gains instead of the quick water bloat. plus its easier to gauge how much lean tissue you build if water is out of the equation.


Also FP i have a quick question for you, i lost 4 lbs in 3 days since starting my cut on monday. is it safe to say that is mostly water?

did back today, strength is same, maybe slightly increased since last week so i think im not losing any muscle tissue.

Yes, it's all water weight.

This is why I told you to eat maintenance calories, which I mentioned as being close to 3200 kcals, but I'm sure you have a better idea than I do. Muscle mass determines metabolic rate, not total body weight. So, if u are eating maintenance calories, then hit the cardio hard and heavy, your body will use it's fat to generate energy for those extra calories expended in cardio. If u did in fact add 5-10lbs of lean tissue, then you need to eat more calories per day to maintain that extra weight. Generally speaking, to maintain a pound of muscle per day = 20-30 kcals. To build a lb...who knows (too much, imo). So if you packed on 10 extra lbs of muscle during weeks 1-6 ( I doubt it but maybe you did, who knows ), then your BMR theoretically went up 200-300 kcals.

Bottom line = figure up your maintenance level calories before adding in cardio --> eat that amount --> add cardio. Get lean, lose no muscle mass.

 

[RussianAK47]

Im eating slighly less than maintenance around 3000 calories a day.

With work, school, training, i only have time for 15 min HIIT cardio after lifting session, always on the run man,

I think u have a good plan eating maintenance and letting the cardio burn of the fat, but in my case i dont have time for 75 min of cardio a day plus weight training. I do what I can OK. Im not a professionial bodybuilder or hardcore fitness physique competitor, i have a life outside the gym but im doing my best okay. And ur right man i probably didnt put on 10 lbs of muscle but atleast i tried and gave it my all in those 6 weeks.

Im going to continue eating a very slight deficit, continue taking my clen, doing my HIIT cardio, on days when i have more available time i will do more cardio.



Losing water weight now, when weight loss slows down i know i got rid of excess water gained on the 6 week bulk.
Then i will have a better idea of how much muscle i built in those 6 weeks.

You would be surprised man, with the right diet, training, and heart what a human body is capable of.

Im confidident i build 10 lbs

And If i didn't **** it man, i have my whole life ahead of me to build those measly 10 lbs

 

[fueledpassion]

Im eating slighly less than maintenance around 3000 calories a day.

With work, school, training, i only have time for 15 min HIIT cardio after lifting session, always on the run man,

I think u have a good plan eating maintenance and letting the cardio burn of the fat, but in my case i dont have time for 75 min of cardio a day plus weight training. I do what I can OK. Im not a professionial bodybuilder or hardcore fitness physique competitor, i have a life outside the gym but im doing my best okay. And ur right man i probably didnt put on 10 lbs of muscle but atleast i tried and gave it my all in those 6 weeks.

Im going to continue eating a very slight deficit, continue taking my clen, doing my HIIT cardio, on days when i have more available time i will do more cardio.



Losing water weight now, when weight loss slows down i know i got rid of excess water gained on the 6 week bulk.
Then i will have a better idea of how much muscle i built in those 6 weeks.

You would be surprised man, with the right diet, training, and heart what a human body is capable of.

Im confidident i build 10 lbs

And If i didn't **** it man, i have my whole life ahead of me to build those measly 10 lbs

Then I'd say make half your deficit in caloric restrictions and half in caloric expenditures thru cardio. That is a more reasonable approach that can still give good results. Just remember, 500 kcal deficit daily can potentially burn up to 1lb of fat per week.

 

[RussianAK47]

Gotchu FP.


Losing water fast... haha its actually kind of dissapointing, arms are down by quarter of an inch when not pumped, just lookng smaller in general.
I guess its all part of the game, just got to wait it out =)

Tren and clen hit me brutally hard last night. Tossed and turned in bed from 11 to 5 in the morning, my body was either cold or burning up.
Terrible experience.

Strength is still holding up well, keeping my test at 500 a week stacked with an ai, ai is keeping estrogen at bay, water is dropping and gyno is nonexistent.

mmm what else.. Yeah thats pretty much it, gunna eat at a slight deficit, continue test, and tren to preserve muscle, eat clean, do my cardio, well see where i end up in 10 weeks.


Lol im never getting chunky again, cutting down SUCKS lol i feel like im wasting my gear because im not building muscle but i know its not being wasted as its preserving the amount of muscle i have

 

[fueledpassion]

Buy some Ketotifen for sleep issues.

1mg of that stuff will put you out no problem once you get the heart rate down. Get yourself a towel for night sweats if they are getting real bad. Besides that, you are supposed to run Keto w/ Clen so you can run Clen continuously instead of cycling it every two weeks...

 

[tinytony]

Gotchu FP.

Losing water fast... haha its actually kind of dissapointing, arms are down by quarter of an inch when not pumped, just lookng smaller in general.
I guess its all part of the game, just got to wait it out =)

Tren and clen hit me brutally hard last night. Tossed and turned in bed from 11 to 5 in the morning, my body was either cold or burning up.
Terrible experience.

Strength is still holding up well, keeping my test at 500 a week stacked with an ai, ai is keeping estrogen at bay, water is dropping and gyno is nonexistent.

mmm what else.. Yeah thats pretty much it, gunna eat at a slight deficit, continue test, and tren to preserve muscle, eat clean, do my cardio, well see where i end up in 10 weeks.

Lol im never getting chunky again, cutting down SUCKS lol i feel like im wasting my gear because im not building muscle but i know its not being wasted as its preserving the amount of muscle i have

Are you usibg prami? That crap gives ne hot n cold flashes even at .2 mg.

 

[fueledpassion]

Are you usibg prami? That crap gives ne hot n cold flashes even at .2 mg.

That stuff makes me throw up, lol. I have a full bottle collecting dust

 

[RussianAK47]

Won't be another 2-3 weeks until i can get ahold of a supply of ketotifin ... FP what do u think about Benadryl to upregulate Beta Receptors in the meantime or is that bull**** bro science?

And im using Caber, been on caber for over a week now.. no issues with sleep at all throughout this whole cycle just last night.
could just be a nasty coincidence

 

[fueledpassion]

Won't be another 2-3 weeks until i can get ahold of a supply of ketotifin ... FP what do u think about Benadryl to upregulate Beta Receptors in the meantime or is that bull**** bro science?

And im using Caber, been on caber for over a week now.. no issues with sleep at all throughout this whole cycle just last night.
could just be a nasty coincidence

I doubt it if you put Clen in the picture...

Benadryl will work. 50mg/night should do. Over the course of 2-3 days however it tends to affect erectile function. That's one reason I like Keto. The other is that Keto is far more powerful and thus large doses are not needed. I'm on the same bottle from last year, lol.

 

[tinytony]

Won't be another 2-3 weeks until i can get ahold of a supply of ketotifin ... FP what do u think about Benadryl to upregulate Beta Receptors in the meantime or is that bull**** bro science?

And im using Caber, been on caber for over a week now.. no issues with sleep at all throughout this whole cycle just last night.
could just be a nasty coincidence

I love caber. I hate prami. True story

 

[Lukef2000]

That stuff makes me throw up, lol. I have a full bottle collecting dust

Lol I learned te hard way when it came to prami, I spewed every day for 5 days before I found my sweet spot.

 

[tinytony]

Lol I learned te hard way when it came to prami, I spewed every day for 5 days before I found my sweet spot.

If I take .2mg before bed and get to sleep right away the sides are pretty much gone by morning

 

[Lukef2000]

If I take .2mg before bed and get to sleep right away the sides are pretty much gone by morning

I took .5mg before bed and then proceeded to spew all over the bed 3 hours later. The wife was not impressed.

 

[tinytony]

I took .5mg before bed and then proceeded to spew all over the bed 3 hours later. The wife was not impressed.

The first time I took it I took like .5 and I was at work. My wife dropped it off and I wanted to get it going right away. About an hour later I got sooo tired and sick to my stomach. So tired it was like I took 4 benadryl. I had to leave 2.5 hours early sick. Went home and crashed right away for a few hours . Felt like a zombie. The next day I could still feel it. The whole first couple hours and during my waking moments I head random rockhard wood.. totally out of control.. well I learned my lesson. One guy said he was taking .7 so I thought Id be good

 

[Lukef2000]

The first time I took it I took like .5 and I was at work. My wife dropped it off and I wanted to get it going right away. About an hour later I got sooo tired and sick to my stomach. So tired it was like I took 4 benadryl. I had to leave 2.5 hours early sick. Went home and crashed right away for a few hours . Felt like a zombie. The next day I could still feel it. The whole first couple hours and during my waking moments I head random rockhard wood.. totally out of control.. well I learned my lesson. One guy said he was taking .7 so I thought Id be good

Haha, yeah it does make you tired as ****. It's definitely something you have to start low on and work your way up.

 

[RussianAK47]

cabers the way to go boys no sides =D

 

[RussianAK47]

LOL@ throwing up in bed with your wife laying next to you, made me laugh bro

 

[Lukef2000]

LOL@ throwing up in bed with your wife laying next to you, made me laugh bro

Haha well it's funny NOW but when it happened not so much lol!

 

[RussianAK47]

hahah i could image at:

 

[fueledpassion]

Yeah I took my first dose @ .3mg and got sick about an hour later. Had to call in to work and tell them I was gonna be late because I was hangin my head out the car throwin' up while drivin' down the street in rush hour traffic, lol. Even better, that was 2 days before my wedding and people thought I was getting cold feet about it callin' in sick.

 

[RussianAK47]

just ordered my next cycle for spring,

got 9 vials of Andromix coming.
One of those bad boys has 50 mgs of Tren Ace, Test Prop, and Masteron per CC.
Gunna be shooting up 1 cc every ****ing day of the week 350 mg of tren, test, masteron per week.
Contemplating on adding 500 mg of test cyp per week to bring total test to 850 as goal of that 12 week cycle would be to LEAN bulk.

im cutting now getting shredded as i type this, want to cut down to 175. then pack on 15 lbs of lean muscle with andromix be 190, ripped, at 5'10

 

[RussianAK47]

By the way however said to run test lower than tren i think thats Bull****

Im running 500-600 mgs test now with 350 mg of tren and still cutting uup just fine. feel amazing, even tho im constantly hungry i still have energy,

Test should def be kept at or higher than Tren levels unless ur hardcore contest prepping last month or so and every ****ing ounce of water counts

 

[Lukef2000]

By the way however said to run test lower than tren i think thats Bull****

Im running 500-600 mgs test now with 350 mg of tren and still cutting uup just fine. feel amazing, even tho im constantly hungry i still have energy,

Test should def be kept at or higher than Tren levels unless ur hardcore contest prepping last month or so and every ****ing ounce of water counts

The idea behind running test lower than tren is due to trens affinity to bind to the AR receptor. Tren will hog the receptor leaving little room for the test to bind to it, this leaving a lot of test floating around with nothing to do but aromatise. In saying that I ran 750mg test with 350mg tren and had no estrogen related issues.

 

[RussianAK47]

you what im thinking bro

Andromix 1 cc a day ---> 350 mg test, 350 mg tren, 350 mg masteron

then on mon/friday 1 cc of tren enanthate---> 400 mg of tren

so weekly 750 mg of tren enanthate, 350 mg of test, 350 mg of masteron


what do u think about sucha high dosage of tren? are the gains gunna be worth the side effects?
is more tren better or it wont be that much different than 350 of tren?

i dont want to take any orals for next cycle giving liver a break

 

[RussianAK47]

the **** happaned to everyone?

im geting lean as ****

192 lbs dropped 13 lbs since start of cut

got 6 more weeks of cutting left

 

[dubfungus]

More gear doesn't make better gains. More food makes better gains

 

[RussianAK47]

both gear and food are necessary. its easy to inject a gram of test a week but hard to dial in ur diet.

 

[fueledpassion]

both gear and food are necessary. its easy to inject a gram of test a week but hard to dial in ur diet.

I dont think upping the Tren is necessary. Sure, it might give you faster gains but definitely more sides with it. All you need is persistence at this point. The current gear will do its job w/ that alone.

 

[Matthersby]

I dont think upping the Tren is necessary. Sure, it might give you faster gains but definitely more sides with it. All you need is persistence at this point. The current gear will do its job w/ that alone.

There's something to be said here.
Sometimes combating sides due to an increased dose yields diminished returns. When I enjoy incredible gains and start thinking: more will be better! I quickly remind myself of the skipped deadlifts from pack pumps, the nausea from some orals at higher doses, the poor sleep, etc.

 

[RussianAK47]

Progress Progress Progress

Cycle is slowly coming to end guys

Ive been cutting for last 5 weeks went from 205 lbs to 188. 17 lbs in 5 weeks, not too ****ing bad

On Tren. Test. Clen and T3

What are your thought on T3?
My arms got a lil smaller since i started taking t3 at 25 mcg,
you think that **** is eating away my Joocy muscles?

Today is chest day, if I crank out 315 on flat bench for 2-3 reps i know strengh is holding up well

 

[fueledpassion]

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Progress Progress Progress

Cycle is slowly coming to end guys

Ive been cutting for last 5 weeks went from 205 lbs to 188. 17 lbs in 5 weeks, not too ****ing bad

On Tren. Test. Clen and T3

What are your thought on T3?
My arms got a lil smaller since i started taking t3 at 25 mcg,
you think that **** is eating away my Joocy muscles?

Today is chest day, if I crank out 315 on flat bench for 2-3 reps i know strengh is holding up well

Muscle wasting occurs regardless when ur on a deficit. This is why I think timing of nutrients & training r very important when cutting as well as doing it slowly (250-500 total daily deficit).

Strength will not be reflective of muscle mass retention especially while on gear like Tren.

 

[fueledpassion]

Muscle wasting occurs regardless when ur on a deficit. This is why I think timing of nutrients & training r very important when cutting as well as doing it slowly (250-500 total daily deficit).

Strength will not be reflective of muscle mass retention especially while on gear like Tren.

Good progress man. Pics look good. I think you need to keep cutting for another 10lbs, imo. Will be fairly ripped at 178lbs...

 

[RussianAK47]

thanks man, will continue cutting for another 5 weeks then pct

 

[Lukef2000]

I doubt whether you've lost much muscle while your on Tren. Looking good tho man, getting pretty lean.

 

[RussianAK47]

My pct will be HCG 500 ius for 10 days staight followed by clomid for 4 weeks and nolva for 6 weeks. Will continue to run Adex into pct to control rebound estrogen as i dont think nolva will be enough.

Now for my question. What is the best way to retain maximum muscle tissue post cycle and limit fat gains? I will continue to periodically run 2 week cycles of clen, Will eat at maintenance maybe slightly above, will continue training hard and doing cardio a few times a week. Diet will be clean, high protein, mod carb mod fat. I just want to maintain my gains (Both leanness and muscle mass) until next cycle sometime in spring.

 

[fueledpassion]

MCT's and BCAA's will help alot. Get several hundred calories daily from MCT's because they r glucose sparing. Between the spared glucose and drinking BCAA's during training u should keep everything so long as ur eating maintenance. If anything u might keep burning fat.

 

[DangerDave]

My pct will be HCG 500 ius for 10 days staight followed by clomid for 4 weeks and nolva for 6 weeks. Will continue to run Adex into pct to control rebound estrogen as i dont think nolva will be enough.

This is wrong here.

Nolva combined with a 19nor compounds active metabolites can cause a prolactin rebound and bind to ypur progedterone receptors.
-Plus-
Running adex and nolva at the same time is pointless because they compete at the receptor and one will be pushed to the side wasting it. You need to rethink that pct.

HCG should have been run DURING cycle. You see guys run it between cycles (like me) but I cruise. Its different I am nit trying to restart my LH and FSH just mimic its function while my HPTA is shutdown. 5000Iu in 10days will give you a "bleed" because if the 5 day halflife of hcg so in the end it will be a delayed restart if you LH and FSH resulting in a slowed recovery.

You need a bit of research into pct if you want to keep those gains.

 

[DangerDave]

MCT's and BCAA's will help alot. Get several hundred calories daily from MCT's because they r glucose sparing. Between the spared glucose and drinking BCAA's during training u should keep everything so long as ur eating maintenance. If anything u might keep burning fat.

VERY good advice. Solid as usual FueledPassion.