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Hi looking to start a mild oral pro hormone stack for Summer, needs to be unmethylayed and preferably something which has little gyno risks.
That does narrow it down really well.Hi looking to start a mild oral pro hormone stack for Summer, needs to be unmethylayed and preferably something which has little gyno risks.
Got an ongoing liver problem I was born with so would rather not take the risk of using a methylatedThat does narrow it down really well.
Can I ask why non methyl? And why not just use ancillary support to ensure no gyno?
Got an ongoing liver problem I was born with so would rather not take the risk of using a methylated and yea I understand that I will have to use supplements regardless to prevent gyno I just don’t want to take something with very strong aromatising propertiesThat does narrow it down really well.
Can I ask why non methyl? And why not just use ancillary support to ensure no gyno?
Agreed fully point oneYeah if you have liver issues please whatever board/forum you end up on do not use sarms whatever they tell you. I would honestly think about staying natural and living an healthy life if I was you
Lmao true. That’s why you’re smarter than me. I just thought straight away he was dealing with Crigler-Najjar syndrome or some type of Cirrhosis.Agreed fully point one
Point two. Not as much.
If Flex can compete with one kidney this guy can get into bodybuilding with poor liver function. He’s just gotta decide his goals and relay them to us so we can get a good idea and give sound advice. We aren’t getting enough of the story.
Life story please!
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I want it all please
No I’m not bro. We both come up with some great ideas on here, collectively. I’ve met guys with half my experience that can conjure up a brilliant cycle.Lmao true. That’s why you’re smarter than me. I just thought straight away he was dealing with Crigler-Najjar syndrome or some type of Cirrhosis.
To be fair, it IS quite expensive. Definitely won’t be dropping this much in the near future. But just graduated college, and got a damn good paying job that allows me to save for my future and mess around with some toys. Also, I’m running it on a cut to try to recomp as much as possible. I’m down 9.6 lbs in 4 weeks and my strength numbers are still there. Haven’t measured BF% yet to get an idea of where I stand from my start, but I’d imagine I’m dropping some. As long as it does what I want, and I get someplace closer to where I want to be then it works for me. Haha all in all, the more research I do the more I agree with your statements on orals. But, if I started mine on andros I may as well do it to the best of my abilities and finish it properly. But you guys have been majorly helpful in questions I’ve had and other threads I’ve read, so thank you both!If you’re gonna use steroids, use steroids, it’s not like it isn’t 10x safer running 300/300 prop/mast than eating 6 different Andros and paying $600 damn dollars for 11keto/11oxo runs. I’d take 8 weeks of suppression for a great stack over $1k in “supplements” that still
might shut me down for nothing at all. Just switching to DC training and eating a pound of Pb daily would put more muscle on than Andro/11 stack. Btw nothing against them great for beginners, but cycles should show something at the end of them.
There’s also transdermal aas now too. My ugl has great stuff you can just rub on your skin, get amazing gains for 2 months, eat some Clomid for 4-6 weeks, DONE. No pain, no pip, no gyno, no liver issues whatsoever.To be fair, it IS quite expensive. Definitely won’t be dropping this much in the near future. But just graduated college, and got a damn good paying job that allows me to save for my future and mess around with some toys. Also, I’m running it on a cut to try to recomp as much as possible. I’m down 9.6 lbs in 4 weeks and my strength numbers are still there. Haven’t measured BF% yet to get an idea of where I stand from my start, but I’d imagine I’m dropping some. As long as it does what I want, and I get someplace closer to where I want to be then it works for me. Haha all in all, the more research I do the more I agree with your statements on orals. But, if I started mine on andros I may as well do it to the best of my abilities and finish it properly. But you guys have been majorly helpful in questions I’ve had and other threads I’ve read, so thank you both!
So many issues in this statement but to each his own. I will address some of the inaccuracies.There’s also transdermal aas now too. My ugl has great stuff you can just rub on your skin, get amazing gains for 2 months, eat some Clomid for 4-6 weeks, DONE. No pain, no pip, no gyno, no liver issues whatsoever.
Go for steroids after this. They are illegal, no one cares, and that the only thing bad about them. And they are way cheaper, safer(ish) and 100x more effective than non methyl PHs these days.
Lol. Smh. I don’t do internet fights. Do you.I will address some of the inaccuracies.
Oh please do.
-TD steroids avoid the liver for the first pass but still have potential to do damage, just not as much as many methylated orals.
Nope. Everything, whether they make 1st pass, 2nd pass, 27th pass through the liver ... doesn’t matter if they are oral, eye drops, IM, SubQ, sublingual, can be taken every 2 hours for the next 100 years without liver damage occurring.
What matters is if they are
C17-alpha alkylated. That’s all. Steroids that ARE NOT methylated, the route of administration makes next to no difference. What you are talking about’s toxicity is about as toxic as apple cider vinegar.
-Steroids from an UGL are definitely not safer than andro prohormones, especially if you use a reputable brand. You run a very substantial risk of running bunk material and/or different compounds not on the label
Wow, you’re going downhill here, fast. Reputable fitness supplements?!?! Best yet here. That’s coming from the same reputable companies that actually SOLD us steroids as a “workout enhancer” or “pre workout supp” from 2001-2016. Oh ya! Fitness supplement companies also discovered the geranium seed to extract and make amphetamine for our pre workouts. Only they never did. They just took some gack dope and fucked with the carbon positions in their lab and made a great Adderall-like stimulant with no testing or researched long term side effects. Real fucking safe.
Remind me, how much does fda monitoring happens at underground steroid labs vs fitness supplement companies?
Reputable in the bodybuilding world means a lot of dudes used their stuff for a lot of years and didn’t die. Whether it’s Epiadrohardfinaplexx1200 or just trenbolone. Personally I know exactly what Tren will do at low or high doses, every single ugl I that I know buys the same exact raws from the same 5-6 Chinese compounding pharmacies and labs overseas and then they brew it here. Simple.
I have no idea what Epiandrohardfinaplexx1200 does or converts to. Maybe 16% DHEA converted yielding me with a great product that will increase almost nothing for $179.99
-UGL steroids are not 100x more potent than andros.
I won’t even argue that one because it’s too funny. And it’s actually true. You’re right, Andros are a big deal and they are so strong I’m sure they are next on the chopping block with the fda since there’s been some pro baseball guys batting .690 that admitted to taking them.
-Lastly, there are plenty of people who care about steroid usage and the fact that they’re illegal. Cops, military personnel, certain jobs, are just a few (not including family and significant others).
I’m just going to stop you right there....
Cops and military???????
Cops and military?!?!?! Wild stab, you’ve never done either of these jobs. Besides working military police on Air Force bases for 2 years before I went to Army medic school, I ended up working civilian trauma in EMS . Paramedic and hospital. I knew every Tempe AZ fire dept and PD by name by the end of 2006. (And a few detectives that are always busy and never come around )
The amount of steroids that LE and military use is staggering. It’s almost encouraged or at least overlooked when you’re talking about senior enlisted. My staff sergeant McNeil and I use to see Deca and Test to Everyone. It got so busy, we were taking trips to Mexico every weekend. And I used to talk cycles with and fire or Pd that was suddenly bulking up fast. (Before body cameras of course) I’d say in the total 9 years in trauma and military LE(where we did months and months of training with civilian Pd - who more than just a few times fessed up to use and even offered sources when asked)
Again, you do you; I take zero issue with people who use steroids but I had to address some of those statements.
Thanks for addressing, I’ve readdressed how you still have a lot to learn. All sounds good on paper of course but I’d say 85-90% wrong.
Well you came at him like you had to "address" his ridiculous statements yet you added no evidence whatsoever and most of what you said made no sense at all. Can’t really shake your head that he came at you this way lolLol. Smh. I don’t do internet fights. Do you
I am smh at his statements. I will address some of his inaccuracies but I am not doing a back and forth all day. Hopefully that will be sufficient for you.Well you came at him like you had to "address" his ridiculous statements yet you added no evidence and most of what you said made no sense at all. Can’t really shake your head that he came at you this way lol
Well I can definitely confirm the Military and police thing lol. I was raised by sheriffs and spent 5 years in the army. I'd say at least half of cops are on the juice. No their Captains probably don't care. And military does do drug tests, but not for steroids I don't think they are looking for those.I will address some of the inaccuracies.
Oh please do.
-TD steroids avoid the liver for the first pass but still have potential to do damage, just not as much as many methylated orals.
Nope. Everything, whether they make 1st pass, 2nd pass, 27th pass through the liver ... doesn’t matter if they are oral, eye drops, IM, SubQ, sublingual, can be taken every 2 hours for the next 100 years without liver damage occurring.
What matters is if they are
C17-alpha alkylated. That’s all. Steroids that ARE NOT methylated, the route of administration makes next to no difference. What you are talking about’s toxicity is about as toxic as apple cider vinegar.
-Steroids from an UGL are definitely not safer than andro prohormones, especially if you use a reputable brand. You run a very substantial risk of running bunk material and/or different compounds not on the label
Wow, you’re going downhill here, fast. Reputable fitness supplements?!?! Best yet here. That’s coming from the same reputable companies that actually SOLD us steroids as a “workout enhancer” or “pre workout supp” from 2001-2016. Oh ya! Fitness supplement companies also discovered the geranium seed to extract and make amphetamine for our pre workouts. Only they never did. They just took some gack dope and fucked with the carbon positions in their lab and made a great Adderall-like stimulant with no testing or researched long term side effects. Real fucking safe.
Remind me, how much does fda monitoring happens at underground steroid labs vs fitness supplement companies?
Reputable in the bodybuilding world means a lot of dudes used their stuff for a lot of years and didn’t die. Whether it’s Epiadrohardfinaplexx1200 or just trenbolone. Personally I know exactly what Tren will do at low or high doses, every single ugl I that I know buys the same exact raws from the same 5-6 Chinese compounding pharmacies and labs overseas and then they brew it here. Simple.
I have no idea what Epiandrohardfinaplexx1200 does or converts to. Maybe 16% DHEA converted yielding me with a great product that will increase almost nothing for $179.99
-UGL steroids are not 100x more potent than andros.
I won’t even argue that one because it’s too funny. And it’s actually true. You’re right, Andros are a big deal and they are so strong I’m sure they are next on the chopping block with the fda since there’s been some pro baseball guys batting .690 that admitted to taking them.
-Lastly, there are plenty of people who care about steroid usage and the fact that they’re illegal. Cops, military personnel, certain jobs, are just a few (not including family and significant others).
I’m just going to stop you right there....
Cops and military???????
Cops and military?!?!?! Wild stab, you’ve never done either of these jobs. Besides working military police on Air Force bases for 2 years before I went to Army medic school, I ended up working civilian trauma in EMS . Paramedic and hospital. I knew every Tempe AZ fire dept and PD by name by the end of 2006. (And a few detectives that are always busy and never come around )
The amount of steroids that LE and military use is staggering. It’s almost encouraged or at least overlooked when you’re talking about senior enlisted. My staff sergeant McNeil and I use to see Deca and Test to Everyone. It got so busy, we were taking trips to Mexico every weekend. And I used to talk cycles with and fire or Pd that was suddenly bulking up fast. (Before body cameras of course) I’d say in the total 9 years in trauma and military LE(where we did months and months of training with civilian Pd - who more than just a few times fessed up to use and even offered sources when asked)
Again, you do you; I take zero issue with people who use steroids but I had to address some of those statements.
Thanks for addressing, I’ve readdressed how you still have a lot to learn. All sounds good on paper of course but I’d say 85-90% wrong.
Not to be mean, but I laugh everytime somebody equates creatine with steroid talk. I am sure there's more that goes into it, but I just find it funny. Also, IMO soldiers who want to take stuff should. I have family members and friends in the Marine Corps. and Seals, and doing the stuff they do they should have every right to be "enhanced." Broadly speaking, regardless of which country everyone is located within, wouldn't you want the very best of the best to risk their lives fighting for your rights and country? Just a different perspective to throw out there since I can't comment on any of the aboveOP I was going to say Ostarine... I'm on it now for the first time. I posted a thread about it. It's good stuff that works, but the guys here are saying it causes liver issues and if you already have liver issues then that wouldn't work.
Creatine does work. Injectable test would bypass the liver. Its absorbed through the muscle. But I'm not sure if that is a good route either. You do one cycle and you come off, lose some gains, lose some confidence, and miss the "on" feeling. That's what got me hooked now I'm 8 years in the game. If I could go back... Lol
I just mentioned creatine in lieu of steroids or sarms. Either that or staying natural. I did not say creatine will give steroid like effects.Not to be mean, but I laugh everytime somebody equates creatine with steroid talk. I am sure there's more that goes into it, but I just find it funny. Also, IMO soldiers who want to take stuff should. I have family members and friends in the Marine Corps. and Seals, and doing the stuff they do they should have every right to be "enhanced." Broadly speaking, regardless of which country everyone is located within, wouldn't you want the very best of the best to risk their lives fighting for your rights and country? Just a different perspective to throw out there since I can't comment on any of the above
I know man, I just find it funny and I'm glad you didn't take it offensively.I just mentioned creatine in lieu of steroids or sarms. Either that or staying natural. I did not say creatine will give steroid like effects.
I knew guys in the military who took juice, and guys who did not. I did not see a difference in there work performance. But sure marines and infantry why not. You don't need roided up POGs though lol.
They used to give speed to the troops back in WW2 I believe..
My younger brother was force recon in the marines and him and all his buddies juiced. I don't think there sargeants cared thoughNot to be mean, but I laugh everytime somebody equates creatine with steroid talk. I am sure there's more that goes into it, but I just find it funny. Also, IMO soldiers who want to take stuff should. I have family members and friends in the Marine Corps. and Seals, and doing the stuff they do they should have every right to be "enhanced." Broadly speaking, regardless of which country everyone is located within, wouldn't you want the very best of the best to risk their lives fighting for your rights and country? Just a different perspective to throw out there since I can't comment on any of the above
-Ibuprofen causes kidney damage either through large doses or long durations.I am smh at his statements. I will address some of his inaccuracies but I am not doing a back and forth all day. Hopefully that will be sufficient for you.
If the published andro study showed 8lbs of lean muscle in well trained athletes in a 4 week study then his contention would make his “stronger” hormones have the ability to put on 800lbs of lean muscle in 4 weeks. He said “100x stronger”.....Oh ok, that’s an accurate statement See study for reference
Prohormone supplement 3β-hydroxy-5α-androst-1-en-17-one enhances resistance training gains but impairs user health - PubMed
Prohormone supplements (PS) are recognized not to impart anabolic or ergogenic effects in men, but the research supporting these conclusions is dated. The Anabolic Steroid Control Act was amended in 2004 to classify androstenedione and 17 additional anabolic compounds as controlled substances...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
-he claims you can take any non-methylated oral every 2 hours until the end of time. Go ahead and take an 800mg ibuprofen every two hours and see how it works out for you. It’s not methylated. Here you go (yes I know it’s very rare for ibuprofen specifically but you can also apply this to fat loss supplements or many other medications and their relationship to fatty liver disease)
*here is another study that is just for fat loss supplements and induced liver damage*A Rare Case of Ibuprofen-induced Acute Liver Injury
Idiosyncratic drug-induced liver injury (iDILI) is the second-most-common cause of acute liver injury. When it is caused by ibuprofen, it is quite rare, especially when not accompanied by systemic signs or symptoms. A young female patient presented with ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Supplement-Induced Liver Injury
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
-yes plenty of people get away with using steroids without issue. However, to claim “no one cares” which you stated is 100% wrong. Here’s some evidence to refute your claim.
“The use of steroids is a short-term gain for long-term problems that individuals are going to have, and we cannot tolerate them in any way, shape or form,” said Gen. Peter Chiarelli, the Army’s vice chief of staff, who has taken a leadership role in Army efforts to reduce drug use among soldier
Steroid use on the rise in the Army
An investigation last year at Joint Base Lewis-McChord uncovered illegal use of steroids among soldiers bound for Afghanistan, and offers a rare look at what surveys indicate is a rising use of these drugs within the military.www.seattletimes.com
I would want my military to be on juice though yea lol I agreeI know man, I just find it funny and I'm glad you didn't take it offensively.
EXACTLY haha. Couldn't agree more.
I believe you are correct, or at least pilots from what I can remember from my aero-engineering history
I don’t lol. But I do get awful curious why guys create a “hey please help me pick a drug that does XYZ? Pretty please!?Lol. Smh. I don’t do internet fights. Do you.
Oh. Then my apologies.I think you’re confused. I didn’t ask for any help and this thread wasn’t started by me.
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