Muscle builders that lower blood glucose

[Superload]

I'm currently mid bulk, and still around 12% bodyfat. My weight is at 202, and I have been at this weight in the past and know I need to eat more to increase my weight and grow some muscle. However I've been checking my fasted Blood Glucose levels and they've been mid 90's, and this is even with 1000mg berberine with every meal except for my first and last meal of the day which I'll dose with 2 caps of predator instead.my last meal of the day is no carb high fat and protien. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to other supplements that may lower my BG and allow me to continue to bulk. I currently give or takein around 500 carbs a day, with 300 protein and near 100 grams a fat a day coming to around 4300 calories and I need to up this to continue to grow. I do 2 weight training sessions a day with mostly accessory work like arms and shoulders in the AM and a push, pull ,legs at PM. Open for any and all suggestions to help me get this BG under control

P.S 30 minutes after predator only seems to lower my BG by 10 points max

 

[The Solution]

No supplement will continue to lower BG since your using a GDA and additional berberine

What you need to do is get blood work on A1C and fasted insulin if those numbers come
Back in range then you are fine with BG in that range.

I recently got mine done and they hover around mid 90’s and my fasted insulin was 3.2 in a 2.5-23 range. My A1C aka hemoglobin was 5.2 which is also in a healthy range.

Get the blood work done and that will show you how insulin sensitive and if you need to back off carbs because your already taking enough glucose disposal agents you can’t just add
More and take more there is a law of diminishing returns.

It’s a huge problem with most on here thinking you can just keep adding pills and it will make a difference that’s not the case of more = better.

 

[Ynn3kc1]

I'm currently mid bulk, and still around 12% bodyfat. My weight is at 202, and I have been at this weight in the past and know I need to eat more to increase my weight and grow some muscle. However I've been checking my fasted Blood Glucose levels and they've been mid 90's, and this is even with 1000mg berberine with every meal except for my first and last meal of the day which I'll dose with 2 caps of predator instead.my last meal of the day is no carb high fat and protien. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to other supplements that may lower my BG and allow me to continue to bulk. I currently give or takein around 500 carbs a day, with 300 protein and near 100 grams a fat a day coming to around 4300 calories and I need to up this to continue to grow. I do 2 weight training sessions a day with mostly accessory work like arms and shoulders in the AM and a push, pull ,legs at PM. Open for any and all suggestions to help me get this BG under control

P.S 30 minutes after predator only seems to lower my BG by 10 points max

I believe Major Gains claims to build muscle and helps with nutrient partitioning. I believe it contains phosphatidic and ursolic acid. But I've never personally used it so I can't attest to its effectiveness. But it maybe worth researching. I'm not a rep, nutritionist, or anything, just looked into it before. Just a possibility. Good luck.

 

[pyrobatt]

I'm currently mid bulk, and still around 12% bodyfat. My weight is at 202, and I have been at this weight in the past and know I need to eat more to increase my weight and grow some muscle. However I've been checking my fasted Blood Glucose levels and they've been mid 90's, and this is even with 1000mg berberine with every meal except for my first and last meal of the day which I'll dose with 2 caps of predator instead.my last meal of the day is no carb high fat and protien. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to other supplements that may lower my BG and allow me to continue to bulk. I currently give or takein around 500 carbs a day, with 300 protein and near 100 grams a fat a day coming to around 4300 calories and I need to up this to continue to grow. I do 2 weight training sessions a day with mostly accessory work like arms and shoulders in the AM and a push, pull ,legs at PM. Open for any and all suggestions to help me get this BG under control

P.S 30 minutes after predator only seems to lower my BG by 10 points max

How's your sleep looking. Are you getting more than 5hrs a night?

 

[Superload]

I'm getting between 6:30-8 however it is broken up with me getting up every 2 hours to pee regardless of when I stop drinking the night before

 

[The Solution]

I believe Major Gains claims to build muscle and helps with nutrient partitioning. I believe it contains phosphatidic and ursolic acid. But I've never personally used it so I can't attest to its effectiveness. But it maybe worth researching. I'm not a rep, nutritionist, or anything, just looked into it before. Just a possibility. Good luck.

False
3 loggers on here ran major gains, and none of us saw any results.
I monitor my BG Levels weekly as I work with an IFBB Pro. Major Gains made 0 changes to my BG levels.

OP needs to get bloodwork done and get A1C and Fasted Inuslin tested, not invest in placebo pills

 

[Ynn3kc1]

False
3 loggers on here ran major gains, and none of us saw any results.
I monitor my BG Levels weekly as I work with an IFBB Pro. Major Gains made 0 changes to my BG levels.

OP needs to get bloodwork done and get A1C and Fasted Inuslin tested, not invest in placebo pills

Good to know. Sux you wasted the money.

 

[Rostam]

However I've been checking my fasted Blood Glucose levels and they've been mid 90's

Your fasting blood glucose is in normal range and you want it to be lower? I don't see the point or maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Superload]

Your fasting blood glucose is in normal range and you want it to be lower? I don't see the point or maybe I'm missing something.

Yes it is in the normal range, however as I keep bulking I can quite easily see it reaching above 100 which I was under the impression was pre-diabetic. While mid 90's is in a normal range, I've seen multiple sources that state it as far from being optimal, and possibly dangers in the long term if I allow it to continue to climb. If I am wrong in any of this please correct me,

 

[Ynn3kc1]

False
3 loggers on here ran major gains, and none of us saw any results.
I monitor my BG Levels weekly as I work with an IFBB Pro. Major Gains made 0 changes to my BG levels.

OP needs to get bloodwork done and get A1C and Fasted Inuslin tested, not invest in placebo pills

Nothing I said was false, their claims may be, he just asked for any ideas and I said he might want to look into it not to just buy it. And looking into it, he probably would have checked the reviews and seen that it didn't work for 3 people. You mad bro?

 

[The Solution]

Nothing I said was false, their claims may be, he just asked for any ideas and I said he might want to look into it not to just buy it. And looking into it, he probably would have checked the reviews and seen that it didn't work for 3 people. You mad bro?

Looking into a natural anabolic is not a cure for lowering BG levels. OP is in normal ranged (mid 90's) and using a GDA and additional Berberine.

You are trying to tell everyone in here that you have 0 experience running the product, but are going to make a claim that is "may help" OP. I can find you natural anabolics that claim they are stronger then DBOL, but is that always going to be the case? No

OP Needs bloodwork Not more pills, or powders. Everyone is quick to jump to supplements thinking its the magical cure to any of our problems with mass gains, blood glucose, or losing weight. Thats not always the answer. People would be better off shelling $50 towards bloodwork, food, or paying a coach for their training to make better results.

Your suggestion is just far from what the OP needs. I have been in the OP's shoes and he needs to get A1C and Fasted Insulin tested that is what will help him in deciding if his BG is running high or in good shape. I can get almost stage lean and have my BG barley drop below 80 while a lot of people can run into the 70's. It goes to show that my hemoglobin is naturally high (A1C) and that it is nothing to worry about.

Even the key highlights don't state anything about lowering Blood Gluocse levels, so your assumption is far from the truth.

Key Benefits of Major Gains:
Helps Increase Lean Muscle Mass*
Helps Increase mTOR Signaling*
Helps Accelerate Muscle Recovery*
Helps Reduce Mental & Physical Fatigue*
Helps Increase Muscular Strength*
Helps Improve Protein Synthesis*
Helps Reduce Body Fat*
Helps Prevent Catabolic Muscle Wasting*
Helps Increase ATP Restoration Within Cells*
Helps Improve Mood*
Helps Improve Mental Focus*
Helps Increase Nitrogen Retention*
No On Cycle Or PCT Required*

I don't see a "Claim" on here stating it will reduce Blood Glucose Levels for OP and this comes right off their write up on their webpage on Strong

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/major-gains-by-assault-labs

 

[Ynn3kc1]

Looking into a natural anabolic is not a cure for lowering BG levels. OP is in normal ranged (mid 90's) and using a GDA and additional Berberine.

You are trying to tell everyone in here that you have 0 experience running the product, but are going to make a claim that is "may help" OP. I can find you natural anabolics that claim they are stronger then DBOL, but is that always going to be the case? No

OP Needs bloodwork Not more pills, or powders. Everyone is quick to jump to supplements thinking its the magical cure to any of our problems with mass gains, blood glucose, or losing weight. Thats not always the answer. People would be better off shelling $50 towards bloodwork, food, or paying a coach for their training to make better results.

Your suggestion is just far from what the OP needs. I have been in the OP's shoes and he needs to get A1C and Fasted Insulin tested that is what will help him in deciding if his BG is running high or in good shape. I can get almost stage lean and have my BG barley drop below 80 while a lot of people can run into the 70's. It goes to show that my hemoglobin is naturally high (A1C) and that it is nothing to worry about.

Even the key highlights don't state anything about lowering Blood Gluocse levels, so your assumption is far from the truth.

Key Benefits of Major Gains:
Helps Increase Lean Muscle Mass*
Helps Increase mTOR Signaling*
Helps Accelerate Muscle Recovery*
Helps Reduce Mental & Physical Fatigue*
Helps Increase Muscular Strength*
Helps Improve Protein Synthesis*
Helps Reduce Body Fat*
Helps Prevent Catabolic Muscle Wasting*
Helps Increase ATP Restoration Within Cells*
Helps Improve Mood*
Helps Improve Mental Focus*
Helps Increase Nitrogen Retention*
No On Cycle Or PCT Required*

I don't see a "Claim" on here stating it will reduce Blood Glucose Levels for OP and this comes right off their write up on their webpage on Strong

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/major-gains-by-assault-labs

OP asked for supplement recommendations. I made it clear that while I had not used it before, that I did read about it and believed, not knew it could help him based on the ingredients I mentioned, not from supplenent highlights from a store. For example when researching Ursolic Acid, there was list of a variety of benefits.
i.e. "Ursolic acid enhances muscle insulin/*IGF-1signaling, leading to Akt activation, muscle growth, and reduced fat*and blood glucose [R].
Ursolic acid increases muscle at least in part by enhancing the*IGF-I*and insulin receptors [R]."

That was from a website that took me all of 2 minutes to find, even though I researched them with much greater diligence, it happened to explain how both goals are addressed by just one of the ingredients in a short and sweet couple of paragraphs. Which alone is enough to simply check out the supplement, other benefits, FORUM REVIEWS, as well as the possibility of being able to continue with his current supplements as the product is not just another GDA. I didn't garuntee anything, just simply responded to the mans question. And I don't always jump to supplements for solutions, I understand there are several possible factors, which you had already informed him of. Just because I haven't tried a supplement, doesn't mean I couldn't possibly understand it. All I'm saying is, you could have simply said, "I have tried the product before as well as two other member's, and it is not an effective product instead of trying to call me out basically saying, don't listen to this guy
he has no idea what he's talking about. I'm here to learn and try to help others, not to treat people like they're ignorant or inferior. Sorry OP, just tried to offer some help. But seems like the Solution's got you covered. PEACE.

 

[The Solution]

OP asked for supplement recommendations. I made it clear that while I had not used it before, that I did read about it and believed, not knew it could help him based on the ingredients I mentioned, not from supplenent highlights from a store. For example when researching Ursolic Acid, there was list of a variety of benefits.
i.e. "Ursolic acid enhances muscle insulin/*IGF-1signaling, leading to Akt activation, muscle growth, and reduced fat*and blood glucose [R].
Ursolic acid increases muscle at least in part by enhancing the*IGF-I*and insulin receptors [R]."

The study on blood glucose was done on mice, not actual humans.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25059036
http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/29041/1/IJEB 52(7) 683-691.pdf

There is yet to be a UA Study done on actual humans. Let alone a healthy human who is active during exercise and its potency. Nor does it actually entail someone who is stacking additional GDA's and Berberine and how much of a factor that plays.

 

[Ynn3kc1]

The study on blood glucose was done on mice, not actual humans.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25059036
http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/29041/1/IJEB 52(7) 683-691.pdf

There is yet to be a UA Study done on actual humans. Let alone a healthy human who is active during exercise and its potency. Nor does it actually entail someone who is stacking additional GDA's and Berberine and how much of a factor that plays.

Your study's are from 2014. Here's one from 2017.
Effect of Ursolic Acid on Metabolic Syndrome, Insulin Sensitivity, and Inflammation.

Randomized controlled trial

Ramírez-Rodríguez AM, et al. J Med Food. 2017.

Authors

Ramírez-Rodríguez AM1,*González-Ortiz M1,*Martínez-Abundis E1,*Acuña Ortega N1.

Author information

1Department of Physiology, Institute of Experimental and Clinical Therapeutics, Health Sciences University Center, University of Guadalajara , Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico .

Citation

J Med Food. 2017 Sep;20(9):882-886. doi: 10.1089/jmf.2017.0003. Epub 2017 Jun 9.

Abstract

To evaluate the effect of ursolic acid on metabolic syndrome, insulin sensitivity, and inflammation, a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial was carried out in 24 patients (30-60 years) with a diagnosis of metabolic syndrome without treatment. They were randomly assigned to two groups of 12 patients, each to receive orally 150 mg of ursolic acid or homologated placebo once a day for 12 weeks. Before and after the intervention, the components of metabolic syndrome, insulin sensitivity (Matsuda index), and inflammation profile (interleukin-6 and C-reactive protein) were evaluated. After ursolic acid administration, the remission of metabolic syndrome occurred in 50% of patients (P = .005) with significant differences in body weight (75.7 ± 11.5 vs. 71 ± 11 kg, P = .002), body mass index (BMI) (29.9 + 3.6 vs. 24.9 ± 1.2 kg/m2, P = .049), waist circumference (93 ± 8.9 vs. 83 + 8.6 cm, P = .008), fasting glucose (6.0 ± 0.5 vs. 4.7 ± 0.4 mmol/L, P = .002), and insulin sensitivity (3.1 ± 1.1 vs. 4.2 ± 1.2, P = .003). Ursolic acid administration leads to transient remission of metabolic syndrome, reducing body weight, BMI, waist circumference and fasting glucose, as well as increasing insulin sensitivity.

PMID

*28598231 [Indexed for MEDLINE]
while 50% isn't the most reassuring result, it at least involves humans. True, stacking with all the Gdas and berberine he is currently taking, it may have an adverse reaction, but maybe he needs a break from them to try something different. It may help, or not help at all, may be worse, but their is a possibility that it might at least part of a Solution. But I agree with your recommendations of bloodwork before just taking something I just don't like your automatic dismissal of my suggestion in such an unnecessarily degrading tone. That's why I used words like I believe, it may, or possibly worth looking into so he can research himself and make a more informed decision if he chooses to just go the supplement route. Or if he decides to after getting bloodwork done. Whatever you decide OP, I hope you get the results you are seeking.

 

[The Solution]

All He needs is his A1C and Fasted Insulin done
If A1C is above 5.6 or above there may be some worry (pre diabetic)

If fasted insulin is around 6-10 he’s low and fine to keep pushing calories .

People don’t look at the underlying things we can’t see (bloodwork) a BG monitor is a tool it doesn’t tell the full story.

Supplements are not always the answer it is usually the last. These message boards and many others always want to buy more pills and powders and think it will Be a long term solution that’s usually not the case.

Most who ran Major Gains logged and not logged even ended up doubling dosing it and saw no Changes to any of the claims. The only positive feedback is from those who drastically increased their intake when at that point your playing a guessing game on how much nutrition played and how much the “supplement played”

Many people skew factors (nutrition the biggest one) and claim the pill did X Y and Z when in a controlled environment (no factors changed) the supplement did absolutely nothing

 

[jmero2]

Your study's are from 2014. Here's one from 2017.
Effect of Ursolic Acid on Metabolic Syndrome, Insulin Sensitivity, and Inflammation.

Randomized controlled trial

Ramírez-Rodríguez AM, et al. J Med Food. 2017.

Authors

Ramírez-Rodríguez AM1,*González-Ortiz M1,*Martínez-Abundis E1,*Acuña Ortega N1.

Author information

1Department of Physiology, Institute of Experimental and Clinical Therapeutics, Health Sciences University Center, University of Guadalajara , Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico .

Citation

J Med Food. 2017 Sep;20(9):882-886. doi: 10.1089/jmf.2017.0003. Epub 2017 Jun 9.

Abstract

To evaluate the effect of ursolic acid on metabolic syndrome, insulin sensitivity, and inflammation, a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial was carried out in 24 patients (30-60 years) with a diagnosis of metabolic syndrome without treatment. They were randomly assigned to two groups of 12 patients, each to receive orally 150 mg of ursolic acid or homologated placebo once a day for 12 weeks. Before and after the intervention, the components of metabolic syndrome, insulin sensitivity (Matsuda index), and inflammation profile (interleukin-6 and C-reactive protein) were evaluated. After ursolic acid administration, the remission of metabolic syndrome occurred in 50% of patients (P = .005) with significant differences in body weight (75.7 ± 11.5 vs. 71 ± 11 kg, P = .002), body mass index (BMI) (29.9 + 3.6 vs. 24.9 ± 1.2 kg/m2, P = .049), waist circumference (93 ± 8.9 vs. 83 + 8.6 cm, P = .008), fasting glucose (6.0 ± 0.5 vs. 4.7 ± 0.4 mmol/L, P = .002), and insulin sensitivity (3.1 ± 1.1 vs. 4.2 ± 1.2, P = .003). Ursolic acid administration leads to transient remission of metabolic syndrome, reducing body weight, BMI, waist circumference and fasting glucose, as well as increasing insulin sensitivity.

PMID

*28598231 [Indexed for MEDLINE]
while 50% isn't the most reassuring result, it at least involves humans. True, stacking with all the Gdas and berberine he is currently taking, it may have an adverse reaction, but maybe he needs a break from them to try something different. It may help, or not help at all, may be worse, but their is a possibility that it might at least part of a Solution. But I agree with your recommendations of bloodwork before just taking something I just don't like your automatic dismissal of my suggestion in such an unnecessarily degrading tone. That's why I used words like I believe, it may, or possibly worth looking into so he can research himself and make a more informed decision if he chooses to just go the supplement route. Or if he decides to after getting bloodwork done. Whatever you decide OP, I hope you get the results you are seeking.

Where would someone find a high quality ursolic acid supplement?

 

[Ynn3kc1]

Gotta say though, 12%bf at 202 and your tracking and training sound on point! If you don't mind, how tall/old are you? I wish I could eat like that, but I'm also not busting 2 a days. Does diabetes run in your family? If it helps, about a year ago, I tested at 105 bg and I was @ 320lbs at 5'10, 34 can't remember my A1C #, but it was high, even my triglycerides were @ 800! Worst shape ever and a huge wake up call. Had to revamp my diet, and handle it before I became diabetic. So I began tracking again, just disgusted with myself and read up on the proper macros to achieve my goals of getting back to my high school -grad school weight of 185 or at least a muscular 200-220. Next time I got bloodwork done, like 6-12 months later, my bg was down to 98 and tri's down to I believe 330ish, and A1c in range, all with diet and getting back in the gym. My weight dropped to 295 as well. I started IF the last week of July, and started an extreme cut. With the help of a few natural supps, IF, macro/calorie tracking, I was able to cut 35 lbs in August. 260 now, still got a long way to go, but I definitely got out of the red before I got diabetes or had a heart attack. I actually am excited to see my bloodwork, probably in October to see if my numbers reflect how much better I feel and how much they've improved. So even though we have pretty much opposite goals and body types, I really feel that you can figure this out, especially if I did!

 

[Ynn3kc1]

Where would someone find a high quality ursolic acid supplement?

Check the supplement and review sections.

 

[bigsmall]

Vector and to a lessor extent Folidrone.

 

[Superload]

Gotta say though, 12%bf at 202 and your tracking and training sound on point! If you don't mind, how tall/old are you? I wish I could eat like that, but I'm also not busting 2 a days. Does diabetes run in your family? If it helps, about a year ago, I tested at 105 bg and I was @ 320lbs at 5'10, 34 can't remember my A1C #, but it was high, even my triglycerides were @ 800! Worst shape ever and a huge wake up call. Had to revamp my diet, and handle it before I became diabetic. So I began tracking again, just disgusted with myself and read up on the proper macros to achieve my goals of getting back to my high school -grad school weight of 185 or at least a muscular 200-220. Next time I got bloodwork done, like 6-12 months later, my bg was down to 98 and tri's down to I believe 330ish, and A1c in range, all with diet and getting back in the gym. My weight dropped to 295 as well. I started IF the last week of July, and started an extreme cut. With the help of a few natural supps, IF, macro/calorie tracking, I was able to cut 35 lbs in August. 260 now, still got a long way to go, but I definitely got out of the red before I got diabetes or had a heart attack. I actually am excited to see my bloodwork, probably in October to see if my numbers reflect how much better I feel and how much they've improved. So even though we have pretty much opposite goals and body types, I really feel that you can figure this out, especially if I did!

I'm 6'1 and a freshman in college this year. I've been tracking all my food and training for over a year now and diabetes does not run in my family. And I have gotten bloodwork done, however the doctor never gave me my results and said everything was within range except my testosterone which he said was low normal. And of course, before I could try and get my results again I had to leave for college and now have no chance of picking them up from the office

 

[Ynn3kc1]

I'm 6'1 and a freshman in college this year. I've been tracking all my food and training for over a year now and diabetes does not run in my family. And I have gotten bloodwork done, however the doctor never gave me my results and said everything was within range except my testosterone which he said was low normal. And of course, before I could try and get my results again I had to leave for college and now have no chance of picking them up from the office

They tried that crap with me too. "Everything looks good" but I demanded a copy and hes like "why". and my test was 130 and several other things were not In range, and that specific time I had std tests done just to be safe I check at least once a year, and everything was negative but still he should have gone over it with me. But I always make s point of getting the results, one time they didn't even do a lipid panel on me. We pay so much money for insurance and tests it's like " give me my damn bloodwork, I shouldn't have to even ask. This was my GP.

 

[The Solution]

I'm 6'1 and a freshman in college this year. I've been tracking all my food and training for over a year now and diabetes does not run in my family. And I have gotten bloodwork done, however the doctor never gave me my results and said everything was within range except my testosterone which he said was low normal. And of course, before I could try and get my results again I had to leave for college and now have no chance of picking them up from the office

What is your A1C and Fasted Insulin?
You never answered that question.
That is what you need to get done to test your BG numbers and if everything is ok, if A1C Runs high then you will be pre-diabetic and thats why your BG Numbers are where they are.

The fasted insulin will tell you if you are truly becoming insulin insensitive if this number is really high then yes you are and there is an issue. But if its low then you may just run high fasted BG normally.
The A1c is the 3 month average of your blood sugars, if this is 5.3 or lower then youre good to go as well.
So sometimes healthy athletes just run high. Best bet is to have a few other blood work markers ran if the usual things dont bring it down fairly easily.

Buy the tests and get the blood drawn youself off Private MD Labs, and you won't have to worry about seeing a doctor or getting BS results it will be emailed and sent right to you, so this way you know the #'s and facts. This will solve your issue.

 

[Superload]

Alright I'll look into getting bloodwork done sometime this week thank you everyone for your input on the matter