FRITZBLITZ
Banned
- Awards
- 0
I'm not a AS user but I lift with alot of lifers that do it all legit; BW, dr. supervision, PCT, Pulsing, bridging, ect.
1 I also have a brother that is a chemical engineer (not pharmasutcles but knows his ****).
2 I have a hulk friend that is around 280lbs not shreaded but cut. He has been using massive amounts of everything under dr. supervission (kinda of I don't know why his doc allows such high intake of stuff) but he is always trying different cycle mods including Test, Dbol, GH, Win, insoline, real PH (SD Pplex m1t ect.) and he has tons of this stuff stockpiled.
3 II admire BEAST MODE guys pushing thier limits with science. I just never have the extra cash and dicipline to do AS-PCT-Cycle Support-BW ect. right and if your not going to do it right don't do it at all. That said I have a interest in it so I came up with an idea
***Eureka*** Since forever the best way to introduce androgens into the body is injection, Oral for some, and Snorting for a few. because of the compunds' stability, metabolization ect. So I came up with the idea of VAPING Test Cyp/ Sust 250 in a 2:1 ratio (ill explain later) and asked Hulk if I could experiment with a bit of his stockpile for this reason and he agreed (of course he is a maniac as long as it does not kill him)
Before I go into all the science behind it I was wondering if anyone has heard of or tried this? If not then I'll continue with the full report
THE SCIENCE: Now these are estimated numbers for now( I have the journals and combinations and equations just not in front of me)
1 So most AS compounds break down around 145'-180' and even a low temp flame like sulfamethane burns at 310' (if I remember) so traditional smoking is impossible. However a Vape Mod (Expensive E-cigarette ) can be turned down to 110' and that is well bellow the deterioration point of reg Test. and other Anabolic compounds. And I can buy in any ratio the 2 suspension liquids that are used to deliver the nicotine and flavoring; Vegetable Glycerin and USP Propylene Glycol. These are both oils with different viscosity ( Veg Glycerin is thicker and Propylene is just a cutting agent for best viscosity and its cheap) and we all know that 90% or more AS are oil soluble.
2 Here Is where my brother comes in. We calculated the dilution of 1ml of Test Cyp 200mg to 6 liters of blood ( average person has 5.5 liters so Hulk has 6 we guessed he didn't want us to get the exact amount haha)
-I cant remember the viscosity that a 80% Veg/20% Prop was but it turned out to be almost the same as 80%
TestCyp/20% Sust250 so with out wasting too much gear we settled on that.
-1ml Test Cyp/ 6 Liters= 1:600 ratio
-1ml Test Cyp/ raises total T in Hulk 380 (BW measurment ?ng/dl?) after 3 days so right in the before next dose we
rounded that to 400 since he is always on something.
-1g Test Cyp=200000ng of Total T (I think that is the right math)
we actually did way more testing and equations but T BW is not exact and has so many variables so we
guestimated a bit as well.
3 Next we tested ratio of 1ml of alcohol (everclear) injected and 1ml of alcahol& 1ml Veg Glycerin Vaped and it was way more complicated to remember the math but it was a 1:0.43 ratio so 86% of the alcohol was absorbed into the body via vaping. So if I remember right we actually lucked out with the mg math that
-1ml 80%Test Cyp/20%Sust250 = 0.476ml per 1g of Test complex = 0.95ml per 2g of Test Complex
***if my math is off please remember that this is not the manual I'm freeballing this***** but
- 0.815ml =174g of absorbed Test complex so 1.2ml=200g absorbed Test complex so we still have about the exact same absorbtion rate as the injection of 1ml Test Cyp 200g just in a different complex but almost exact same measurements
4 TESTING... We than mixed 1.2ml of Test complex into 3.8ml of Veg/Prop giving us 1ml=40g Test
****Sorry We made Hulk go without ANY AS or PH But he did use Nolva, HGC and some natty PCT supps but as few as possible for 2 weeks prior to the baseline BW before injection than had him stay on his routine for 4 weeks then had him go without ANY AS ect. for 2 weeks prior to testing the vape delivery method****
we than had Hulk vape 1 ml of the mix in the morning and had blood pulled right as he was vaping in the car ride over to Dr. office and pulled blood arpund 930 am. We had him stay on a 1ml vaped Test mix for the next 4 days but had him journal and experiment with vaping at different times of day and different lengths of time but staying to 1ml per day. he journaled how he felt, his strength, his motivation, his energy, his mood, his ALPHA feeling, his sex thoughts, sex appitite and sex performance (only 1 test lol he's got no game and no girlfriend) and his side effects if they were new or different than a regular ON cycle.
5 THE RESULTS
-so we kinda expected if it worked at all that the first morning BW would be high because he introduced 40mg of T right to the dome right before blood was pulled HOWEVER we did not expect it to be Free T at something insane like 100 but I can't remember it was just unheard of and Total T at something near 4,000 0r maybe 5,000 it was also insane. now my brother's chemical engineering hypothesis is that vaping the T Mix was the same as the difference in snorting cocaine and the FREEBASE version crack so it was not only an e mediate dump of T but that it was probably extremely quick to bond to the AR sites ( he is not an ENDO just a chemist).
- After doing this in variations of time of day but sticking to the 1ml:40g a day vape he had BW pulled on the 7th or 8th day to mimic the end of a twice a week PIN schedual he regularly does and gets BW end of cycle and 2 weeks after PCT so we were comparing it to the end of cycle BW****so as Ive been writing this there has been some missing info that was brought up in comments so I'll try to fix it if the thread is still going****
-At the end of 1 Week vape only experiment his Total T was about 80-100 more compared to End of cycle with IM.
- But his free T was still extremely high around 55
- his LH which is always shut down was none existant?worse?
- his lipid count was about triple compared to REG end of cycle (he didnt care he was just going to increase his cholesterol supps and I'll explain later why)
-his IGF1 was about 20-25% lower compared to REG end cycle
-his BP was normal
-I'll have to look up his estrodial readings I don't remember them being an issue but not sure at all
6 What he experienced he said if he vaped for about 5 min plus another 15 he would feel a huge rush of sexual energy almost like the first time you see a naked girl and all your body is wired with ambition.
-He mostly used that to train hard but he said for about 1 hour stright all he could think about was sex dumbbells became titiys and plates on the floor more tittys and rests between sets were longer because he'd get lost checking out girls.
- That said it kinda sucks he didn't have a girlfriend because the 1 night stand he had was kinda funny. He said it was like first time sex. He came really quick and couln't help it but he just drank a bit of whatever and 5 min later hard wood again. I think he had 2 hump chumped this girl like 8 times(who was a 6.8-7.4 stars).
-his journal thoughts about the sex drive/ambition/energy were not really clear the best I could paraphrase it as the feeling of when your 20 and your girl acts super slutty and begs you to come over for a nooner and you can and will move mountains to get to her.
-Last I checked he still does the Test vaping and he even dissolved oxycodone in with the mix when he had a back injury and said that he crushed 10 pills in with a 10ml mix (which lasts a week) he said he could only vape about 1/4 of what he would do in a day because it was so potent from the Opiets.
Conclusion: their are a lot of unanswered questions which is why I wrote this but it's definety an interesting experiment and even if there were some extenuating circumstances that added to the results, these numbers are for real (in close ballpark) and if this thread stays alive I'll try to get the numbers percise and to fill in the blanks such as his E levels and anything else you guys point out. Hope you enjoyed and If you anyone wants to do their own experiment KEEP IN MIND THAT MY BROTHER IS A CHEMICAL ENGINEER HE DID ALL THE CALCULATIONS AND STUFF AND MY HULK BRO WAS UNDER DR. SUPERVISION THROUGH OUT THIS PROCESS AND HE HAS A HUGE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO ABUSE GEAR AND HAS DONE IT FOR A LONG TIME!
1 I also have a brother that is a chemical engineer (not pharmasutcles but knows his ****).
2 I have a hulk friend that is around 280lbs not shreaded but cut. He has been using massive amounts of everything under dr. supervission (kinda of I don't know why his doc allows such high intake of stuff) but he is always trying different cycle mods including Test, Dbol, GH, Win, insoline, real PH (SD Pplex m1t ect.) and he has tons of this stuff stockpiled.
3 II admire BEAST MODE guys pushing thier limits with science. I just never have the extra cash and dicipline to do AS-PCT-Cycle Support-BW ect. right and if your not going to do it right don't do it at all. That said I have a interest in it so I came up with an idea
***Eureka*** Since forever the best way to introduce androgens into the body is injection, Oral for some, and Snorting for a few. because of the compunds' stability, metabolization ect. So I came up with the idea of VAPING Test Cyp/ Sust 250 in a 2:1 ratio (ill explain later) and asked Hulk if I could experiment with a bit of his stockpile for this reason and he agreed (of course he is a maniac as long as it does not kill him)
Before I go into all the science behind it I was wondering if anyone has heard of or tried this? If not then I'll continue with the full report
THE SCIENCE: Now these are estimated numbers for now( I have the journals and combinations and equations just not in front of me)
1 So most AS compounds break down around 145'-180' and even a low temp flame like sulfamethane burns at 310' (if I remember) so traditional smoking is impossible. However a Vape Mod (Expensive E-cigarette ) can be turned down to 110' and that is well bellow the deterioration point of reg Test. and other Anabolic compounds. And I can buy in any ratio the 2 suspension liquids that are used to deliver the nicotine and flavoring; Vegetable Glycerin and USP Propylene Glycol. These are both oils with different viscosity ( Veg Glycerin is thicker and Propylene is just a cutting agent for best viscosity and its cheap) and we all know that 90% or more AS are oil soluble.
2 Here Is where my brother comes in. We calculated the dilution of 1ml of Test Cyp 200mg to 6 liters of blood ( average person has 5.5 liters so Hulk has 6 we guessed he didn't want us to get the exact amount haha)
-I cant remember the viscosity that a 80% Veg/20% Prop was but it turned out to be almost the same as 80%
TestCyp/20% Sust250 so with out wasting too much gear we settled on that.
-1ml Test Cyp/ 6 Liters= 1:600 ratio
-1ml Test Cyp/ raises total T in Hulk 380 (BW measurment ?ng/dl?) after 3 days so right in the before next dose we
rounded that to 400 since he is always on something.
-1g Test Cyp=200000ng of Total T (I think that is the right math)
we actually did way more testing and equations but T BW is not exact and has so many variables so we
guestimated a bit as well.
3 Next we tested ratio of 1ml of alcohol (everclear) injected and 1ml of alcahol& 1ml Veg Glycerin Vaped and it was way more complicated to remember the math but it was a 1:0.43 ratio so 86% of the alcohol was absorbed into the body via vaping. So if I remember right we actually lucked out with the mg math that
-1ml 80%Test Cyp/20%Sust250 = 0.476ml per 1g of Test complex = 0.95ml per 2g of Test Complex
***if my math is off please remember that this is not the manual I'm freeballing this***** but
- 0.815ml =174g of absorbed Test complex so 1.2ml=200g absorbed Test complex so we still have about the exact same absorbtion rate as the injection of 1ml Test Cyp 200g just in a different complex but almost exact same measurements
4 TESTING... We than mixed 1.2ml of Test complex into 3.8ml of Veg/Prop giving us 1ml=40g Test
****Sorry We made Hulk go without ANY AS or PH But he did use Nolva, HGC and some natty PCT supps but as few as possible for 2 weeks prior to the baseline BW before injection than had him stay on his routine for 4 weeks then had him go without ANY AS ect. for 2 weeks prior to testing the vape delivery method****
we than had Hulk vape 1 ml of the mix in the morning and had blood pulled right as he was vaping in the car ride over to Dr. office and pulled blood arpund 930 am. We had him stay on a 1ml vaped Test mix for the next 4 days but had him journal and experiment with vaping at different times of day and different lengths of time but staying to 1ml per day. he journaled how he felt, his strength, his motivation, his energy, his mood, his ALPHA feeling, his sex thoughts, sex appitite and sex performance (only 1 test lol he's got no game and no girlfriend) and his side effects if they were new or different than a regular ON cycle.
5 THE RESULTS
-so we kinda expected if it worked at all that the first morning BW would be high because he introduced 40mg of T right to the dome right before blood was pulled HOWEVER we did not expect it to be Free T at something insane like 100 but I can't remember it was just unheard of and Total T at something near 4,000 0r maybe 5,000 it was also insane. now my brother's chemical engineering hypothesis is that vaping the T Mix was the same as the difference in snorting cocaine and the FREEBASE version crack so it was not only an e mediate dump of T but that it was probably extremely quick to bond to the AR sites ( he is not an ENDO just a chemist).
- After doing this in variations of time of day but sticking to the 1ml:40g a day vape he had BW pulled on the 7th or 8th day to mimic the end of a twice a week PIN schedual he regularly does and gets BW end of cycle and 2 weeks after PCT so we were comparing it to the end of cycle BW****so as Ive been writing this there has been some missing info that was brought up in comments so I'll try to fix it if the thread is still going****
-At the end of 1 Week vape only experiment his Total T was about 80-100 more compared to End of cycle with IM.
- But his free T was still extremely high around 55
- his LH which is always shut down was none existant?worse?
- his lipid count was about triple compared to REG end of cycle (he didnt care he was just going to increase his cholesterol supps and I'll explain later why)
-his IGF1 was about 20-25% lower compared to REG end cycle
-his BP was normal
-I'll have to look up his estrodial readings I don't remember them being an issue but not sure at all
6 What he experienced he said if he vaped for about 5 min plus another 15 he would feel a huge rush of sexual energy almost like the first time you see a naked girl and all your body is wired with ambition.
-He mostly used that to train hard but he said for about 1 hour stright all he could think about was sex dumbbells became titiys and plates on the floor more tittys and rests between sets were longer because he'd get lost checking out girls.
- That said it kinda sucks he didn't have a girlfriend because the 1 night stand he had was kinda funny. He said it was like first time sex. He came really quick and couln't help it but he just drank a bit of whatever and 5 min later hard wood again. I think he had 2 hump chumped this girl like 8 times(who was a 6.8-7.4 stars).
-his journal thoughts about the sex drive/ambition/energy were not really clear the best I could paraphrase it as the feeling of when your 20 and your girl acts super slutty and begs you to come over for a nooner and you can and will move mountains to get to her.
-Last I checked he still does the Test vaping and he even dissolved oxycodone in with the mix when he had a back injury and said that he crushed 10 pills in with a 10ml mix (which lasts a week) he said he could only vape about 1/4 of what he would do in a day because it was so potent from the Opiets.
Conclusion: their are a lot of unanswered questions which is why I wrote this but it's definety an interesting experiment and even if there were some extenuating circumstances that added to the results, these numbers are for real (in close ballpark) and if this thread stays alive I'll try to get the numbers percise and to fill in the blanks such as his E levels and anything else you guys point out. Hope you enjoyed and If you anyone wants to do their own experiment KEEP IN MIND THAT MY BROTHER IS A CHEMICAL ENGINEER HE DID ALL THE CALCULATIONS AND STUFF AND MY HULK BRO WAS UNDER DR. SUPERVISION THROUGH OUT THIS PROCESS AND HE HAS A HUGE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO ABUSE GEAR AND HAS DONE IT FOR A LONG TIME!
Last edited: