Tren ace dosing options

[BamBam0319]

Hey guys, just trying to field various opinions from people who have run it before, and see what the best way to do it is for someone who is trying it for the first time.
I have 19mL of 100mg/mL to work with, by the way.
1. Do you prefer EOD or daily dosing?
2. How low of a dose do you recommend I start out with?
3. Where do you suggest I run my test at while using tren ace?

Right now my plans tentatively are to run 50mg EOD for the first week (4 pins), then 75mg EOD for the second week (4 pins), then 100mg EOD until I run out, which will give either 3 or 4 doses per week for 4 weeks. That would make for a 6 week run which seems to be on par with most people's first time tren ace runs in regards to length of time used.
Another option is to do 25mg ED for the first 4 or 8 days, and then bump to 50mg ED for the rest of the time.
For test, I am currently using 250mg test enanthate per week and 50mg test propionate EOD. The propionate will only last 2 weeks into the tren ace run if I start tren a week from today. I was thinking of dropping enanthate to 125mg/week next week until I run out of tren, and just using the propionate until it runs out. Does this sound like a good idea?
Any thoughts, suggestions, advice, etc. are greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance!

 

[BamBam0319]

Also, I have cabergoline on hand, currently running arimidex at .25-.50mg per day, and I will be using Cardar1ne (GW-501516) at 14mg/day concurrently with the tren to combat the respiratory/endurance effects that tren can cause, as well as to augment any fat loss.
I also have some prami but I don't have a lot.

 

[Dma378]

Trust me, everyday pins are cool for about a week before it becomes a pain in the ass. Just my opinion, and I love pinning.

 

[Dma378]

And I also like your set-up bro.

Caber tabs or RC?

 

[BeastFitness]

I feel ED with a slin pin is the best route to go (in terms of convenience.)

I would try running 150-200mgs total per week and base it off of the results and sides your getting. (If you get zero sides and incredible effects, stick with it until the progress slows.)

 

[BamBam0319]

Trust me, everyday pins are cool for about a week before it becomes a pain in the ass. Just my opinion, and I love pinning.

Lol pain in the ass

And I also like your set-up bro.

Caber tabs or RC?

Tabs!

I feel ED with a slin pin is the best route to go (in terms of convenience.)

I would try running 150-200mgs total per week and base it off of the results and sides your getting. (If you get zero sides and incredible effects, stick with it until the progress slows.)

150 to 200 per week? How would you split that up per day? Or even EOD?
I do have slin pins so that is something I could do. Probably need to get some more though.

 

[BeastFitness]

150 to 200 per week? How would you split that up per day? Or even EOD?
I do have slin pins so that is something I could do. Probably need to get some more though.

You can buy slin pins at walmart (my clients LOVE these) and make it simple and dose it 30mgs per day (would total 210 at the end of the week but 10mgs + or - won't make a difference.)

 

[BamBam0319]

You can buy slin pins at walmart (my clients LOVE these) and make it simple and dose it 30mgs per day (would total 210 at the end of the week but 10mgs + or - won't make a difference.)

That would be 30 units on a slin pin right? And with slin pins you can inject in a lot more places than just glutes/delts/quads correct?

Also what is your opinion on test dosage while on tren?

 

[Rodja]

Only time I saw results with TrA was when I used 50mg/ED at the exact same time each day. Aesthetically, it was very good, but I got absolutely zero strength results from it. TrE on the other hand added 60# to my bench in 5 weeks.

 

[BamBam0319]

Only time I saw results with TrA was when I used 50mg/ED at the exact same time each day. Aesthetically, it was very good, but I got absolutely zero strength results from it. TrE on the other hand added 60# to my bench in 5 weeks.

Well that's good to know, I like being strong but it's not my focus. Size and aesthetics are my goals with pretty much every cycle I run.
Sounds like I will be starting with 25 or 30mg ED and bumping up as needed.

 

[Rodja]

Well that's good to know, I like being strong but it's not my focus. Size and aesthetics are my goals with pretty much every cycle I run.
Sounds like I will be starting with 25 or 30mg ED and bumping up as needed.

I only leaned out and didn't gain size on TrA. For whatever reason, the only short eater I get much out of its NPP.

 

[BamBam0319]

I only leaned out and didn't gain size on TrA. For whatever reason, the only short eater I get much out of its NPP.

NPP is on my list of the next compounds I want to try. I wasn't a big fan of deca, and I've heard that people either like deca or NPP but not usually both. I'm hoping NPP ends up being a good choice for me.
I'm also ok with just leaning out on this tren run, I have some superdrol, trest, and a good amount of test that I can dabble with. This is my last week of trest and then I'm starting up tren on Sunday. It's very hard not to start right now though LOL

 

[BeastFitness]

That would be 30 units on a slin pin right? And with slin pins you can inject in a lot more places than just glutes/delts/quads correct?

Also what is your opinion on test dosage while on tren?

Yep. 100IU=100mgs. You can inject pretty much anywhere. There have even been some studies showing sub q injections being just as if not more effective. Definitely be sure to be running test while on tren. The exact dosage would depend on your past usage and your current goals.

 

[BamBam0319]

Yep. 100IU=100mgs. You can inject pretty much anywhere. There have even been some studies showing sub q injections being just as if not more effective. Definitely be sure to be running test while on tren. The exact dosage would depend on your past usage and your current goals.

Ok well I've only ever run it at 600mg in the past, I had vials rated at 300 and would run 2cc per week. This time around, I have 250mg/ml vials and been doing 1cc per week, along with 50mg test prop EOD, because I have been using 75mg trest daily along with it.

 

[BeastFitness]

Ok well I've only ever run it at 600mg in the past, I had vials rated at 300 and would run 2cc per week. This time around, I have 250mg/ml vials and been doing 1cc per week, along with 50mg test prop EOD, because I have been using 75mg trest daily along with it.

I'm a big fan of using the least amount to get the most results approach.

Are you currently blasting? If so how long? Is it dependent on blood work?

 

[datsthat]

Yep. 100IU=100mgs. You can inject pretty much anywhere. There have even been some studies showing sub q injections being just as if not more effective. Definitely be sure to be running test while on tren. The exact dosage would depend on your past usage and your current goals.

wouldn't slin pins be slightly short for glutes? Wouldn't it be partially IM and partially subq? Don't get me wrong, I LOVE slin pins, but I've never tried my glute or VG.

 

[BeastFitness]

wouldn't slin pins be slightly short for glutes? Wouldn't it be partially IM and partially subq? Don't get me wrong, I LOVE slin pins, but I've never tried my glute or VG.

Yep. No issues with tren/test being IM or sub q.

 

[BamBam0319]

I'm a big fan of using the least amount to get the most results approach.

Are you currently blasting? If so how long? Is it dependent on blood work?

As of this point in time I don't blast and cruise, I'll be coming off after the tren or run test for another month or so before coming off. I haven't had bloods done since the first week of my last PCT back in mid/early November, unfortunately, but will be getting blood work done after this cycle's PCT.

 

[BeastFitness]

As of this point in time I don't blast and cruise, I'll be coming off after the tren or run test for another month or so before coming off. I haven't had bloods done since the first week of my last PCT back in mid/early November, unfortunately, but will be getting blood work done after this cycle's PCT.

Ok then! Honestly low dosing test/tren provides incredible results so its more or less how you respond to both's sides and how much you wanna take. Someone people respond insanely well to 600:200 tren to test while others are the opposite so its really something you need to base off your past

 

[BamBam0319]

Ok then! Honestly low dosing test/tren provides incredible results so its more or less how you respond to both's sides and how much you wanna take. Someone people respond insanely well to 600:200 tren to test while others are the opposite so its really something you need to base off your past

I'll play around with dosing then. I have about 2 and a half weeks left of test prop left at 50mg EOD, I'll probably only do 125mg test e from now on starting this week and go from there.

 

[BeastFitness]

I'll play around with dosing then. I have about 2 and a half weeks left of test prop left at 50mg EOD, I'll probably only do 125mg test e from now on starting this week and go from there.

Yeah if you don't personally know how you respond thats the best way to go and keep an eye out for signs (both positive and negative) and adjust accordingly. Many people don't understand the need for training and nutrition to be optimized during this time period as well. Whats your protocol looking like for both?

 

[BamBam0319]

Yeah if you don't personally know how you respond thats the best way to go and keep an eye out for signs (both positive and negative) and adjust accordingly. Many people don't understand the need for training and nutrition to be optimized during this time period as well. Whats your protocol looking like for both?

I am shooting for a minimum of 3500 kcals per day, I'd say 95% of which is clean foods. I know that isn't very important but I find it easier to maintain a reasonable macronutrient ratio via cleaner sources.
For training, I am following Layne Norton's PHAT protocol, with a few of my own tweaks. I've been doing it for 5 weeks now, starting my 6th.

 

[BeastFitness]

I am shooting for a minimum of 3500 kcals per day, I'd say 95% of which is clean foods. I know that isn't very important but I find it easier to maintain a reasonable macronutrient ratio via cleaner sources.
For training, I am following Layne Norton's PHAT protocol, with a few of my own tweaks. I've been doing it for 5 weeks now, starting my 6th.

Solid!

I would implement an overreaching phase of training to optimize the compounds being introduced to you system. You body will recomp F#$KING fast if you do it right!

 

[BamBam0319]

Solid!

I would implement an overreaching phase of training to optimize the compounds being introduced to you system. You body will recomp F#$KING fast if you do it right!

I'll have to research that - I'm not familiar with it.

 

[BeastFitness]

I'll have to research that - I'm not familiar with it.

Not many are. Its honestly one of the fastest ways to make insane lean tissue gains

 

[Rodja]

I'll have to research that - I'm not familiar with it.

It's nothing groundbreaking. Increase volume and/or intensity for a period of 2-4 weeks, deload, repeat.

 

[BeastFitness]

It's nothing groundbreaking. Increase volume and/or intensity for a period of 2-4 weeks, deload, repeat.

It is if done right!

 

[Rodja]

It is if done right!

Again, an overreaching phase is not something hard to program. Peaking is a different story, though.

 

[BeastFitness]

Again, an overreaching phase is not something hard to program. Peaking is a different story, though.

x2 my man

 

[BamBam0319]

I have so much to learn lol, I'll definitely look into designing an overreaching phase!

 

[Rodja]

I have so much to learn lol, I'll definitely look into designing an overreaching phase!

Block periodization is an easy way. There's a solid article by Gabriel Napinski and how to implement it.

 

[BamBam0319]

Block periodization is an easy way. There's a solid article by Gabriel Napinski and how to implement it.

Looking that up now!

 

[criticalbench]

Dosing is honestly going to depend on how potent/legit your tren is. I was on 600mg/wk from one sponsor.. it worked, was good, but I switched to another and 300mg/wk was equivalent.. I always go by feel/looks.. it only takes a week for me to judge what dose I need based on how pure the raws are. I'd say 75mg EOD..

As for slin pins.. you must be back loading.. I have no idea how you are pulling oil through a 29-31 gauge when I can't even do with with a 25g. Unless I sit there for an hour.

 

[BamBam0319]

Dosing is honestly going to depend on how potent/legit your tren is. I was on 600mg/wk from one sponsor.. it worked, was good, but I switched to another and 300mg/wk was equivalent.. I always go by feel/looks.. it only takes a week for me to judge what dose I need based on how pure the raws are. I'd say 75mg EOD..

As for slin pins.. you must be back loading.. I have no idea how you are pulling oil through a 29-31 gauge when I can't even do with with a 25g. Unless I sit there for an hour.

I did it last night, mine are 29g I think. It took a solid two minutes to pull .3mL lol

 

[Gutterpump]

Trust me, everyday pins are cool for about a week before it becomes a pain in the ass. Just my opinion, and I love pinning.

After I discovered the ventroglutes, I don't mind pinning daily now. The VG splits up pinning sites nicely, I used to only pin glutes/delts, but having 2 more points of contact ensures all oil is completely gone before repinning the area. There's also almost no nerves in the VG, pretty painless!

 

[datsthat]

Dosing is honestly going to depend on how potent/legit your tren is. I was on 600mg/wk from one sponsor.. it worked, was good, but I switched to another and 300mg/wk was equivalent.. I always go by feel/looks.. it only takes a week for me to judge what dose I need based on how pure the raws are. I'd say 75mg EOD..

As for slin pins.. you must be back loading.. I have no idea how you are pulling oil through a 29-31 gauge when I can't even do with with a 25g. Unless I sit there for an hour.

Sponsor of this forum?

 

[BamBam0319]

After I discovered the ventroglutes, I don't mind pinning daily now. The VG splits up pinning sites nicely, I used to only pin glutes/delts, but having 2 more points of contact ensures all oil is completely gone before repinning the area. There's also almost no nerves in the VG, pretty painless!

I need to look into this, I've never pinned there before. Only done quads, glutes, and now delts.

 

[datsthat]

I need to look into this, I've never pinned there before. Only done quads, glutes, and now delts.

VG is awesome spot. For you, here is an great vid on how to locate your VG. Best part about this vid is it teaches you how to do on yourself rather than how to do on someone else (like I care)

[video]http://vid1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee507/xsbobber/Mobile%20Uploads/trim.B483A337-906D-40BF-B0A9-5800D0243DD0.mp4[/video]

 

[BamBam0319]

VG is awesome spot. For you, here is an great vid on how to locate your VG. Best part about this vid is it teaches you how to do on yourself rather than how to do on someone else (like I care)

[video]http://vid1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee507/xsbobber/Mobile%20Uploads/trim.B483A337-906D-40BF-B0A9-5800D0243DD0.mp4[/video]

Oh awesome! I'll have to check this out when I'm not sitting in class lol. I do all my pins myself so this will be very useful!

 

[datsthat]

Oh awesome! I'll have to check this out when I'm not sitting in class lol. I do all my pins myself so this will be very useful!

another tip is when you pin VG, lean on a wall so that you can relax leg on VG side. Or you can do it sitting down and locate VG by putting your hand on that area and moving your feet side by side which will expose your VG

 

[Gutterpump]

I was so scared of hitting bone when I first tried the VG on myself. I didn't think there was that much depth in the muscle around the hips, but it's the perfect spot. The VG appears to be my largest hip flexor, so it makes sense I guess.

 

[datsthat]

I was so scared of hitting bone when I first tried the VG on myself. I didn't think there was that much depth in the muscle around the hips, but it's the perfect spot. The VG appears to be my largest hip flexor, so it makes sense I guess.

Yea, its scary at first few times. To be honest, its still kinda scary lol, but I feel like a champ after a successful VG pin. I've only had 1 bad experience. I was using a 1ml syringe w/ 30g 1" (yes 30g does work fine w/ MCT Oil, but you gotta warm it up first) while sitting down and when I pulled out, I felt a quick slight resistance and needle was bent about 30 degrees. Later that day, it HURT bad and next day it hurt even more, but was much better on day 3. I don't know if I hit a bone or something else. So I now pin with 27g 3/4" standing up with no more issues.

 

[Gutterpump]

Yea, its scary at first few times. To be honest, its still kinda scary lol, but I feel like a champ after a successful VG pin. I've only had 1 bad experience. I was using a 1ml syringe w/ 30g 1" (yes 30g does work fine w/ MCT Oil, but you gotta warm it up first) while sitting down and when I pulled out, I felt a quick slight resistance and needle was bent about 30 degrees. Later that day, it HURT bad and next day it hurt even more, but was much better on day 3. I don't know if I hit a bone or something else. So I now pin with 27g 3/4" standing up with no more issues.

Ahhh yeah... hmm wonder what happened. I never get much PIP or pain in my VG's.

I've also been used to pinning my VG's with 3ML. My last cycle I was using about 2.5mL daily (test, dien ace, desoxy-test ace) with 0.5mL of sterile grape seed oil cut in to prevent PIP from dien ace. I was using 1" 25g pins.

 

[GetRekt]

Why so short on tren? I understand you don't have much but honestly you should get more and run it both higher and longer..

 

[Gutterpump]

Only time I saw results with TrA was when I used 50mg/ED at the exact same time each day. Aesthetically, it was very good, but I got absolutely zero strength results from it. TrE on the other hand added 60# to my bench in 5 weeks.

I'm planning/hoping to run TrA 50mg/day with TrestA 50mg/day for a strength/mass/recomp run. I'd love to get tren hex but it's next to impossible to find it unblended. How long did you run the TrA for?

 

[BamBam0319]

Why so short on tren? I understand you don't have much but honestly you should get more and run it both higher and longer..

It's my first time running it so I don't want to dose too high and scare myself off from it. Seems like too versatile of a compound to not be able to use.
I think that if I can get good results off of 30mg/day and 50mg/day that would be fantastic. I don't really want to run my cycle any longer than 6-10 weeks anyway, I've already been on for 4.

 

[Gutterpump]

It's my first time running it so I don't want to dose too high and scare myself off from it. Seems like too versatile of a compound to not be able to use.
I think that if I can get good results off of 30mg/day and 50mg/day that would be fantastic. I don't really want to run my cycle any longer than 6-10 weeks anyway, I've already been on for 4.

I think this is a good call on your behalf, especially since it's your first time.

 

[BamBam0319]

So just wanted to give an update for those of you who aren't subscribed to my training log.
I ended up doing 30mg/day tren ace for 10 days before bumping it to 50mg/day. So, I'm at 350mg/week until I run out. I do however have 10mL of 200mg/mL on the way, along with 10mL of 100mg/mL test prop and 100 50mg winstrol pills.
At this point I'm thinking I'll save the tren and test prop for my next run, and run winny for 4-6 weeks as soon as it arrives. So the winstrol will probably go a few weeks past the tren unless I decide to extend this cycle of tren.
Things have been going incredibly well, to the point where I almost feel uncomfortable in the gym if I wear any less clothing than a hoodie, because everyone stares so damn much. I'm looking huge, shredded, vascular, and strong all at the same time. Yesterday was my last day of superdrol.

 

[datsthat]

So just wanted to give an update for those of you who aren't subscribed to my training log.
I ended up doing 30mg/day tren ace for 10 days before bumping it to 50mg/day. So, I'm at 350mg/week until I run out. I do however have 10mL of 200mg/mL on the way, along with 10mL of 100mg/mL test prop and 100 50mg winstrol pills.
At this point I'm thinking I'll save the tren and test prop for my next run, and run winny for 4-6 weeks as soon as it arrives. So the winstrol will probably go a few weeks past the tren unless I decide to extend this cycle of tren.
Things have been going incredibly well, to the point where I almost feel uncomfortable in the gym if I wear any less clothing than a hoodie, because everyone stares so damn much. I'm looking huge, shredded, vascular, and strong all at the same time. Yesterday was my last day of superdrol.

Any tren sides?

 

[BamBam0319]

Any tren sides?

Nothing crazy so far. A little trouble sleeping here and there but I've been able to treat it