Taking AI to prevent estrogen sides while on 4-AD cycle?

[kristinapls]

So I was thinking about running fusion androtest (cyclo 4-ad) for my first ph cycle and i'm worried about estrogen-related sides. what would be the best angle to approach this? i have erase pro on hand, and will be using nolva for pct. could i take erase on-cycle to keep away gyno, etc. and then use nolva only for pct? or would this cause nasty estrogen rebound. cycle length will probably be 6-8 weeks btw.

thanks!

 

[yates84]

4 andro solo? At what dose and for how long?

 

[kristinapls]

4 andro solo? At what dose and for how long?

probably gonna start at 375mg(3 caps) and work my way up to 575, for about 6-8 weeks.

could i use something like forma stanzol on cycle?

 

[MTPMJM]

Forma should be fine for that. Interested if u could log it, ive wondered how 4-andro solo works out for people

 

[Jebrook]

probably gonna start at 375mg(3 caps) and work my way up to 575, for about 6-8 weeks.

could i use something like forma stanzol on cycle?

Formastanzol v1 or 2 would work. V3 is weaker than the others and I have not used so I can't say if it would suffice. You should look into Letrone by BLR. You won't find a stronger legal AI. It also has amazing anabolic properties that will really aid your gains as well as keeping you hard and dry while on cycle.

 

[MTPMJM]

Formastanzol v1 or 2 would work. V3 is weaker than the others and I have not used so I can't say if it would suffice. You should look into Letrone by BLR. You won't find a stronger legal AI. It also had axing anabolic properties that will really aid your gains as well as keeping you hard and dry while on cycle.

Yea sorry I know nothing about Forma V3... i was referring to V2.

 

[kristinapls]

Formastanzol v1 or 2 would work. V3 is weaker than the others and I have not used so I can't say if it would suffice. You should look into Letrone by BLR. You won't find a stronger legal AI. It also has amazing anabolic properties that will really aid your gains as well as keeping you hard and dry while on cycle.

where can i buy v2? all i see online is v3
isn't letrozole too strong of an AI to be run on-cycle?
would i be putting myself at risk for estrogen rebound afterwards?

 

[Jebrook]

Forma should be fine for that. Interested if u could log it, ive wondered how 4-andro solo works out for people

There's a sponsored log up for Andro the Giant (4 andro) right now. I believe he is running it solo.

 

[kristinapls]

Forma should be fine for that. Interested if u could log it, ive wondered how 4-andro solo works out for people

will do. starting my cycle in august.

btw, this is 4-androstenediol, not 4-DHEA

 

[Jebrook]

where can i buy v2? all i see online is v3
isn't letrozole too strong of an AI to be run on-cycle?

V1 and V2 both had Formestane as the main ingredient which is banned now. Those are all gone unless you find a private seller, go overseas, or take a risk on EBay. Letrone is by Black Lion Research. It is an OTC AI unlike Letrozole which is pharmacy grade research chem. Letrone is very strong but not like Letrozole. It's strength is actually comparable to Exemestane, but it is 100% legal to use.

 

[goodvibes]

will do. starting my cycle in august.

btw, this is 4-androstenediol, not 4-DHEA

Didn't knw those are still around. Gj finding the real deal.

 

[kristinapls]

so forma stanzol v3 vs letrone vs ???

 

[ironranger]

Didn't knw those are still around. Gj finding the real deal.

^This, havent seen legit 4-androstenediol for many years. Lucky guy

 

[ironranger]

Back in the day I used it, and didn't find it all that estrogenic. From memory it does not metabolize into dihydrotestosterone so an OTC AI should be fine, but don't go overboard. Letrone sounds interesting and would like to try it.

 

[goodvibes]

Back in the day I used it, and didn't find it all that estrogenic. From memory it does not metabolize into dihydrotestosterone so an OTC AI should be fine, but don't go overboard. Letrone sounds interesting and would like to try it.

You would want some to convert to DHT for that aggression though. One of the main reason I dropped saw palmetto off my cycle support.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

You would want some to convert to DHT for that aggression though. One of the main reason I dropped saw palmetto off my cycle support.

Your comments on this sent me researching - Everyone is all over the place on 5-ar inhibition from SP affecting DHT compounds... What'd you find?

 

[Blergs]

So I was thinking about running fusion androtest (cyclo 4-ad) for my first ph cycle and i'm worried about estrogen-related sides. what would be the best angle to approach this? i have erase pro on hand, and will be using nolva for pct. could i take erase on-cycle to keep away gyno, etc. and then use nolva only for pct? or would this cause nasty estrogen rebound. cycle length will probably be 6-8 weeks btw.

thanks!

well a serm like nolva would block estrogen so rebound or not doesnt matter in pct IMO

I rec consitering PCT of clomid and nolva IMO.

not fan of oral cycles though..

 

[goodvibes]

Your comments on this sent me researching - Everyone is all over the place on 5-ar inhibition from SP affecting DHT compounds... What'd you find?

That SP can inhibit the 5ar enzyme thus preventing some needed DHT to convert over from test.

 

[mixedup]

where can i buy v2? all i see online is v3
isn't letrozole too strong of an AI to be run on-cycle?
would i be putting myself at risk for estrogen rebound afterwards?

Letro is very strong I only use it if I have a flare up

 

[kristinapls]

well a serm like nolva would block estrogen so rebound or not doesnt matter in pct IMO

I rec consitering PCT of clomid and nolva IMO.

not fan of oral cycles though..

yeah i'm doing nolva for pct

but what am i supposed to run on-cycle for estrogen then?

 

[mixedup]

Use ldex or aromasin

 

[kristinapls]

Use ldex or aromasin

isn't that too strong to be run on-cycle?

 

[mixedup]

isn't that too strong to be run on-cycle?

Nope its the preffered on cycle for most

 

[kristinapls]

Nope its the preffered on cycle for most

suggested dosage?

 

[AustBenny]

Just posted this in another thread:

Letrozole (Letro)-
Letro lowers estrogen production in the body by blocking the aromatase enzyme, the enzyme responsible for estrogen synthesization. Letro has a very high rate of estrogen suppression in the area of 90%+, so care should be given to dosing as over suppression could lead to side effects associated with low estrogen levels, like achy joints, low energy levels etc. This can be an issue with all AIs but Letro is very good at its job and that leads to helping prevent bloating and gyno which may be associated with the use of AAS.[6] Letro has a fairly long active life so dosing of every other day, to even 1-2 times a week is optimal at doses of 0.25mg - 1.3mg.

Anastrozole (aka LiquiDex/Dex)-
Dex lowers estrogen production in the body by blocking the aromatase enzyme, the enzyme responsible for estrogen synthesization. Dosing of 0.5 mg to 1 mg a day should reduce serum estradiol about 50% in men,[5] which leads to helping prevent bloating and gyno which may be associated with the use of AAS. Active life is fairly short so daily to eod dosing is optimal.

Exemestane (Stane/Aromasin )-
Exemestane lowers estrogen production in the body by blocking the aromatase enzyme, the enzyme responsible for estrogen synthesization. Exemestane has about an 85% rate of estrogen suppression and does this by selectively inhibiting aromatase activity in a time-dependent and irreversible way. That helps prevent bloating and gyno which may be associated with the use of steroids. Stane has a fairly short active life so daily to every other day dosing is optimal.

Exemestane is 12.5 - 25mg ed or eod per above.