Who out there is a believer that going lighter with higher reps and focusing on form is better than lower rep and heavier weight for ab workouts?
Use a workout such as cable crunches for example.
Use a workout such as cable crunches for example.
I don't know where this started, but this needs to die off. Triceps are indirectly worked with all presses and biceps with all rows and pull-ups/pulldowns, yet everyone still works them.I personally don't work abs. No need if your hitting your compound lifts. Unless you wanna shed stubborn fat, then maybe I'd go high reps. Pointless to me, my abs have always been hard or popping out and I haven't worked them since high school.
Good for you.I don't know where this started, but this needs to die off. Triceps are indirectly worked with all presses and biceps with all rows and pull-ups/pulldowns, yet everyone still works them. There is never a case of everything within the core firing at 100% concurrently since no person has perfect posture throughout the day and everyone has some sort of imbalance. Doing abs for an aesthetic purpose is debatable, but there is zero debate about the importance of training them from either a performance or health perspective. That being said, I train core twice per week in the 10-15 rep range for 3-4 sets. I vary my focus beyond trunk flexion and include lateral flexion (e.g. side bends), anti-extension (e.g. ab wheel), and rotational/anti-rotational work.
The whole "works for me" perspective has little merit and if you like being imbalanced, more power to you. You cannot merely train compounds without supplemental ancillary work. This is something that everyone worth their salt with agree with when it comes to training.Good for you. I personally don't need to waste time with them. The day after doing pull ups my abs are more sore than ever doing crunches etc Idk maybe I'm trying to hard doing pull-ups and working my core, ahh shucks. My abs have always popped w/o the tedious chore of working them. This is my opinion an works fine for me. I also never work arms. Pull-ups and dips do just fine along with every other press and pull move you stated. Unless your directly looking for your abs to show or competing, I don't see the need to work them. You work your core plenty doing compound lifts.
Everyone is imbalanced. I do all of the following lifts you state and I know for a fact that these do not prevent imbalances. Your psoas, quadratus lumborum, transverse abdominis, etc. are never concurrently firing at 100%. It's not possible for anyone to have these completely at full capacity without direct attention.How would I be unbalanced from not doing "side bends" wtf Deadlifts, Squats, Standing Military Presses, PullUps, Etc Enough for me. Sorry to jack your thread bro, was just stating my opinion as you asked.
For anyone looking at training from a health or performance perspective, core plays an essential role.Maybe from your stats or being a power lifter it plays a role. Or if he wants to be an underwear model. I lift because I like to lift, my abs get worked enough for my liking with other lifts. I've had a visible 6 pack many times and never worked abs. I just don't like wasting my gym time on them. If you like working them bro, work them. You can follow some advice given. Good luck.
Agreed.For anyone looking at training from a health or performance perspective, core plays an essential role.
Agreed. You worded it nicely.Heavy compounds do work your abs no doubt. BUT extra core work is something that can make quite a bit if difference in training and stability. It's kinda like saying if you do chest you don't NEED to isolate triceps......but if you isolate triceps they develop better. Whatever works. I personally train abs heavy but in a high rep range. Two exercises three times a week. One targeting lower abs more and one targeting upper abs more.
I don't endorse ground-based crunches since no lift that is limited by core strength is done on your back and the ROM is minimal. Side bends are very effective, but few do them with enough weight (at least 50-60% of BW) for them to show any merit. There are dozens of core movements that work tremendously well yet they're ignored for the usual BS that people do when the word "abs" is mentioned.Agreed. But crunches and side bends ain't cutting it IMO I did all kinds of planks and ****, goofy **** in prison and it didn't help me do anything but burn calories. It didn't increase my lifts, or make me stand up straighter or make me faster. Etc etc
I agree 100% with this. And just for clarification when I stated "I don't think it makes a difference" I was only referring to an aesthetic sense. I guess being a competitor thats what comes to mind first. LOL. Definitely train your core other then just compound lifts.For anyone looking at training from a health or performance perspective, core plays an essential role.
Don't start dick riding bro, you know better. LolI agree 100% with this. And just for clarification when I stated "I don't think it makes a difference" I was only referring to an aesthetic sense. I guess being a competitor thats what comes to mind first. LOL. Definitely train your core other then just compound lifts.
Time wise is maybe 20-25 mins per week. They're by no means time consuming. I'll often do rollouts while I'm cooking food since I'm usually gassed out by the end of my lower body training (the days I train abs).I think there is no wrong answer here. We all agree the core plays a role in overall health and fitness, we just choose the amount of work we put into that aspect of our training.
Honestly, I skip them because by the time my sessions are over, I'm gassed and got nothing left. I don't want to save energy and skip out on giving my my all to more important lifts.Time wise is maybe 20-25 mins per week. They're by no means time consuming. I'll often do rollouts while I'm cooking food since I'm usually gassed out by the end of my lower body training (the days I train abs).
Oh wow. you really are an idiot.Don't start dick riding bro, you know better. Lol
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This is why Internet sites kind of suck, I can't just come find you and kick your ass.Oh wow. you really are an idiot.
DerpI personally don't work abs.
No need if your hitting your compound lifts.
Unless you wanna shed stubborn fat, then maybe I'd go high reps.
Pointless to me, my abs have always been hard or popping out and I haven't worked them since high school.
Idk what that means but if your throwing shots, let me know.Derp
Indeed shots firedIdk what that means but if your throwing shots, let me know.
Dude. You really just messaged me about saying that derp was shots thrown? Grow up man. My advice was directed to the OP. Hence why I clearly stated OP before I gave my advice. You do know what OP means, right? I don't care if my stats determine if my advice means anything to you because I wasn't advising you my man.Based on your stats your advice doesn't mean **** to me. Stay in your lane.