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Can someone help with the difference here? I see Axon has caffeine but other than that this is a new type of product for me... What's the main difference between the two, and what should be expected from each? Thanks!
Pesticide=no go for me! ThanksDemiurge is phenylpiracetam, Axon is hederagenin.
http://www.antaeuslabs.com/axon.html
http://www.totalflexblog.com/articles/phenylpiracetam/
Research it!
Both quality stims.
I'm picking up some Demiurge, I'm interested in trying a nootropic, but the stuff being used as a pesticide in Axon kinda bothers me; I'm sure it works, but I would feel better with Demiurge. Thanks for the reply!Axon is our stim type product, and Demiurge is our nootropic product. Both can be used as a PreWO boost. Axon brings the energy and Demiurge brings the focus. Personally when I use them I stack them on workout days 20-30mins Pre with 2-3 caps Axon and 4 caps Demiurge.
Sounds good man. Start with 2 caps Demiurge and work your way up to 6 caps. Only use it on Workout days or no more than 4x a week. After 6 weeks on take 2-3 weeks off.I'm picking up some Demiurge, I'm interested in trying a nootropic, but the stuff being used as a pesticide in Axon kinda bothers me; I'm sure it works, but I would feel better with Demiurge. Thanks for the reply!
Naturally-occurring compounds like resveratrol and hederagenin are produced by plants as a defence against things like microbes and funguses. Resveratrol has been successfully used as a topical pesticide* but has a whole host of well-documented health benefits in humans and other animals.Pesticide=no go for me! Thanks
fungi.*funguses.
Both are acceptable. :wink1:fungi.*
Sorry, had to take advantage of what may be the only chance I ever have to correct the henryv.
HAHA!Both are acceptable. :wink1:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fungus#m_en_gb0321770
BumpAs far as Demiurge how much of a stim feeling are we talking? Could you compare it to something on the market as far as stim effect goes?
I wouldnt really say it has a stim type of effect. Itr provides focus rather than stimulation if that makes any sense. If you looking for stim Id go with Axon, as if your using Demiurge as a "stim" you wont get that kick you are used to. Although the focus from Demiurge is pretty intense especailly at the higher dosages.As far as Demiurge how much of a stim feeling are we talking? Could you compare it to something on the market as far as stim effect goes?
Oh when I was researching the ingredient it said it was the only racetam that gave a stim effect. My main concern is that I already use somewhat heavy stims depending on the supplements I'm using and I wouldn't want to overdo it by adding a nootropic with a stim effect. So say I take 1.5 or 2 scoops of PES Alphamine (my current stim). The Demiurge should not effect that in a noticeable way except for adding focus, drive, etc. correct?I wouldnt really say it has a stim type of effect. Itr provides focus rather than stimulation if that makes any sense. If you looking for stim Id go with Axon, as if your using Demiurge as a "stim" you wont get that kick you are used to. Although the focus from Demiurge is pretty intense especailly at the higher dosages.
It has a stim like effect on some, but is not directly a stim product. It will mainly add focus and drive. If your looking for a good PreWO stack I suggest 4 caps Demiurge with 2-3 caps Axon.....that **** will get you going and jacked for the gym.Oh when I was researching the ingredient it said it was the only racetam that gave a stim effect. My main concern is that I already use somewhat heavy stims depending on the supplements I'm using and I wouldn't want to overdo it by adding a nootropic with a stim effect. So say I take 1.5 or 2 scoops of PES Alphamine (my current stim). The Demiurge should not effect that in a noticeable way except for adding focus, drive, etc. correct?
Where do you see that?, because I don't see that anywhere listed.Can someone help with the difference here? I see Axon has caffeine but other than that this is a new type of product for me... What's the main difference between the two, and what should be expected from each? Thanks!
I'm mostly concerned with functioning better at workIt has a stim like effect on some, but is not directly a stim product. It will mainly add focus and drive. If your looking for a good PreWO stack I suggest 4 caps Demiurge with 2-3 caps Axon.....that **** will get you going and jacked for the gym.
It has 60mg per cap and it's on the label.Where do you see that?, because I don't see that anywhere listed.
fungi.*
Sorry, had to take advantage of what may be the only chance I ever have to correct the henryv.
Henryv is a secret spy.Both are acceptable. :wink1:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fungus#m_en_gb0321770
It has 60mg per cap and it's on the label.
If your looking to use it for work I would go with Demiurge over Axon. Although this also depends on the type of work you are doing.....I'm mostly concerned with functioning better at work
Correct. 60mg per capIt has 60mg per cap and it's on the label.
Good, send it to me, my comprehensive final is a week awayI was looking on the website and didn't see caffeine listed, don't have a bottle but have been wanting to try Axon for some time now. Demiurge makes me feel like I'm about to pass out/tired.
Traded it with houston texas for some gut health.Good, send it to me, my comprehensive final is a week away
I would have traded you 3 bottles (srs).Traded it with houston texas for some gut health.
You could have traded 2 if you saw his ad first lol. I'll send you a few caps if you want though.I would have traded you 3 bottles (srs).
Lol I'm good man, I've got plentyYou could have traded 2 if you saw his ad first lol. I'll send you a few caps if you want though.
Yea 4-6 caps seems to be the sweet spot for most users.Today went well. I took 1 scoop of Alphamine instead of my usual 1.5-2 scoops and dropped my HT2 until an hour later after I had a feel for the Demi. I didn't really "feel" anything, but I noticed throughout the day I was more productive and able to finish tasks quicker. I was also a little more scatter brained than normal so it took a little effort to make sure I stayed on point. Overall it went well and I will bump it up tomorrow to 150mg to see if it makes a difference.
Yea, Ive gone as high as 200mg demiurge... it was pretty interesting to say the least. Never gone above 200mg though as 400mg seems a little to excessive to me. But, to each there own.Have you guys hit 200-400mg of demiurge? Just wondering on your experiences.
If you like stacking 50-100mg demiurge with alphamine I suggest you pick up a bottle of Axon and stack 4 caps Demiurge with 3-4 caps Axon 45-60min PreWO. Seriously one of the best 1-2 punch PreWO combo's Ive used in a while. Insane energy from Axon, with the calming and relaxation from Demiurge is hard to explain, but its like nothing Ive ever experienced before.Wow..I've only used 50-100mg of Demi and it was pretty potent at either dose. Stacking with a 1/4 scoop of alphamine and 500mg CDP choline really made it shine though. I was a happy, productive mofo...for about 7 hours.
Demi/phenylpiracetam is definitely one of the better racetams I've used. Similar, for me, to the effects of piracetam but smoother and more consistent. Regular piracetam makes my mind race then feel groggy and depressed, then race, then groggy, then I can't sleep to save my life. The phenyl is more even keel though it is a little harder to get to sleep and I have insane dreams. I will experiment with stacking Ani and some other goodies later.
Indeed. The 400mg dose is the peak efficacious dose for me and I use it pre-exam only with a 200mg caffeine tab. First, it produces a PROFOUND thermogenic effect. I mean sweating far, far more than I would on ECY, raspberry ketones, etc...Second, the caffeine hits within 10 minutes but it's not until the 45-minute mark that I get a real kick from the demiurge. This combo seems to work very well for my marathon exams (3+ hours), as I maintain steady energy levels and focus throughout. Great productHave you guys hit 200-400mg of demiurge? Just wondering on your experiences.
If you're sweating that much while taking an exam I would think people around you would be asking if your ok!Indeed. The 400mg dose is the peak efficacious dose for me and I use it pre-exam only with a 200mg caffeine tab. First, it produces a PROFOUND thermogenic effect. I mean sweating far, far more than I would on ECY, raspberry ketones, etc...Second, the caffeine hits within 10 minutes but it's not until the 45-minute mark that I get a real kick from the demiurge. This combo seems to work very well for my marathon exams (3+ hours), as I maintain steady energy levels and focus throughout. Great product
And it has happened (srs). Urine test me bitches!If you're sweating that much while taking an exam I would think people around you would be asking if your ok!
Yea thats what i was figuring.I can't say for certain since all the damn studies are in Russian, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if it has some degree of adrenergic activity, especially given its similarities to PEA.
Here,I can't say for certain since all the damn studies are in Russian, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if it has some degree of adrenergic activity, especially given its similarities to PEA.
Totally different. Totally lolYea thats what i was figuring.
How close of a "feel" or how similar would you say demiurge is to noopept?
Really? Man now i need to pick up some demiurge.Totally different. Totally lol
Awesome info, thanks man.Demi has been much more pleasant for me than Noopept. So far, Noopept seems to provide much more intense focus and analytical ability..but it sours my mood. Demi is smoother, almost calming, with good focus, and has a better "social" lubricant.
Coop has the good fortune, lol, of putting these to the test in a rigorous academic environment. My use is harder to gauge since I work in the desert doing wildlife biology part of the time and deal with construction crews the rest of the time at work. I have to stay somewhat quick on my feet and be amicable to co-workers, construction folks who are hostile to environmental regulations..so I need the "good mood" aspect which hasn't been achievable with piracetam, noopept, and to a lesser degree pramiracetam. I'm still experimenting with all of these, stacked and unstacked and with varying levels of CDP choline so I have by no means reached a concrete conclusion on any of them.
Very interesting. I've used up to 200 mg and didn't notice much benefit to be honest. I may up it a bit more if you're running up to 400 mg. I am very insensitive to 'racetams as a whole.Indeed. The 400mg dose is the peak efficacious dose for me and I use it pre-exam only with a 200mg caffeine tab. First, it produces a PROFOUND thermogenic effect. I mean sweating far, far more than I would on ECY, raspberry ketones, etc...Second, the caffeine hits within 10 minutes but it's not until the 45-minute mark that I get a real kick from the demiurge. This combo seems to work very well for my marathon exams (3+ hours), as I maintain steady energy levels and focus throughout. Great product
The effects can vary quite a bit. There were times when I needed a full gram to notice anything. Tolerance seems to be common with this compound, which is why I save it for "need-based" circumstances.Very interesting. I've used up to 200 mg and didn't notice much benefit to be honest. I may up it a bit more if you're running up to 400 mg. I am very insensitive to 'racetams as a whole.
Yea, "need-based" circumstances would be the best way to use Demiurge. I would say at a max take it 2-3x a week, after about 4 weeks of use Id suggest to take atleast 3-4 weeks off before using Demiurge again.The effects can vary quite a bit. There were times when I needed a full gram to notice anything. Tolerance seems to be common with this compound, which is why I save it for "need-based" circumstances.
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