Molding The Dough with Compound 20 (Beta Test)

[Sourdough]

Soooo...

I've been dosing 15-30 min before meals... Just don't do this and only snack, you'll go hypo...

I confirmed this again today, actually within the last hour (I wake up late, night owl this time of year) with my breakfast I just ate... Took compound 20, 15min later, aminos 15min later banana, just as I finish my banana hypoglycemia sets in and so I put the milk on my standby cereal (life) and down my chicken breast....

This def clears the blood steam of all glucose quickly in the presence of simple cho wether it increases the insulin response or is a gda itself idk but its confirmed this thing can partition nutrients like no bodies business, easily as strong as pslin and stronger then ap in my experienced opinion....

I'd only dose this on a completely empty stomach when an insulinogenic effect won't be initiated for quite some time, ie before a workout or before bed, otherwise only directly in conjunction (no more then 20 min apart) with a large meal containing complex carbohydrates, healthy fats and LOTS of protein for muscle growth and recovery...

Now if I could see some leaning hardening and strength gains from this stuff...

 

[AutoKal47]

Soooo...

I've been dosing 15-30 min before meals... Just don't do this and only snack, you'll go hypo...

I confirmed this again today, actually within the last hour (I wake up late, night owl this time of year) with my breakfast I just ate... Took compound 20, 15min later, aminos 15min later banana, just as I finish my banana hypoglycemia sets in and so I put the milk on my standby cereal (life) and down my chicken breast....

This def clears the blood steam of all glucose quickly in the presence of simple cho wether it increases the insulin response or is a gda itself idk but its confirmed this thing can partition nutrients like no bodies business, easily as strong as pslin and stronger then ap in my experienced opinion....

I'd only dose this on a completely empty stomach when an insulinogenic effect won't be initiated for quite some time, ie before a workout or before bed, otherwise only directly in conjunction (no more then 20 min apart) with a large meal containing complex carbohydrates, healthy fats and LOTS of protein for muscle growth and recovery...

Now if I could see some leaning hardening and strength gains from this stuff...

Maybe i missed it, you on calorie surplus or deficit?

 

[Sourdough]

as of right now its a very slight surplus considering my daily expenditure...

I've been on a consistent diet for the past 2 months and maintained through pct and beyond, still gaining strength but not weight more then about 3 pounds, lil fat lil muscle ...

Then this week when I've ran C20 my weight suddenly jumped, my appearance has fluctuated wildly and I'm having to make some adjustments to my diet finding out this is an effective gda... Including placing 90% of my carbs with my pre workout meal or lunch on off days and restricting to 100% protein only 4-6 hours before sleep (which I normally don't have to do but the cals have to balance out so I dont go hypo earlier in the day and run into excess carbs later on....)

Now also when you read anything I post about earlier and later in a day.... I wake between 11am-2pm and crash out between 4 and 6 am... So my references to breakfast, lunch, dinner and whatnot might seem off when you see what time the post is made so don't let it confuse you.... I work out at 9-11pm which is my afternoon.... within 30min after I have protein in milk (or protein bar and milk), then within an hour after that post workout meal is eaten and no more carbs are consumed after that... Maybe one glass of milk but not within 4 hours of sleep still...

So I'm basically on the same cals as previous, which is a slight surplus to facilitate muscle growth, just the distribution has been extremely adjusted to suit compound 20...

 

[mattrag]

as of right now its a very slight surplus considering my daily expenditure...

I've been on a consistent diet for the past 2 months and maintained through pct and beyond, still gaining strength but not weight more then about 3 pounds, lil fat lil muscle ...

Then this week when I've ran C20 my weight suddenly jumped, my appearance has fluctuated wildly and I'm having to make some adjustments to my diet finding out this is an effective gda... Including placing 90% of my carbs with my pre workout meal or lunch on off days and restricting to 100% protein only 4-6 hours before sleep (which I normally don't have to do but the cals have to balance out so I dont go hypo earlier in the day and run into excess carbs later on....)

Now also when you read anything I post about earlier and later in a day.... I wake between 11am-2pm and crash out between 4 and 6 am... So my references to breakfast, lunch, dinner and whatnot might seem off when you see what time the post is made so don't let it confuse you.... I work out at 9-11pm which is my afternoon.... within 30min after I have protein in milk (or protein bar and milk), then within an hour after that post workout meal is eaten and no more carbs are consumed after that... Maybe one glass of milk but not within 4 hours of sleep still...

So I'm basically on the same cals as previous, which is a slight surplus to facilitate muscle growth, just the distribution has been extremely adjusted to suit compound 20...

Do you feel it's going all in the right places? Refering to your last statement about the distribution being adjusted to suit C20.

Nice log though man. Very descriptive!

 

[Sourdough]

Yes, compound 20 does a great job utilizing cho as I've demonstrated by sending myself hypo twice so might as well load then in the start of the day where they will be properly utilized through the day and for my workout... I said 90% was consumed before my workout when actuality its split fairly evenly pre and post... Also not consuming carbs any time after that should def help lean me out and keep morning bloat away... At least thats the idea... Should also help gh to be optimally produced during sleep which of course has its own obvious benefits...

Once again though this can be accomplished with a proper diet and just about any effective gda so I'm really hoping to see what other inherent benefits compound 20 might bring as testing is continued... Hopefully it has more to offer...

 

[mattrag]

Yes, compound 20 does a great job utilizing cho as I've demonstrated by sending myself hypo twice so might as well load then in the start of the day where they will be properly utilized through the day and for my workout... I said 90% was consumed before my workout when actuality its split fairly evenly pre and post... Also not consuming carbs any time after that should def help lean me out and keep morning bloat away... At least thats the idea... Should also help gh to be optimally produced during sleep which of course has its item obvious benefits...

Once again though this can be accomplished with a proper diet and just about any effective gda so I'm really hoping to see what other inherent benefits compound 20 might bring as testing is continued... Hopefully it has more to offer...

true would be kinda sad if all it did was glucose control. Though AnaBeta still gets rave reviews and I feel it kinda does similar things. NOtice any body temp? Or perhaps other signs of anabolism?

 

[Sourdough]

true would be kinda sad if all it did was glucose control. Though AnaBeta still gets rave reviews and I feel it kinda does similar things. NOtice any body temp? Or perhaps other signs of anabolism?

Not really honestly, nothing out of the ordinary this far...

Haven't had any apparent body comp changes other then the noted bloating/puffiness and then the dissipation of it following mentioned supp and dietary adjustments...

No real increases in recovery or notable anabolism... I am sore as heck in my quads and glutes tonight...

Some slight pumps here and there but nothing out of the ordinary, certainly not during workouts which is somewhat disappointing and no where close to what others have mentioned...

I'm gonna run this through full term as long as things continue with no negative effects since I'm no longer having "puffy issues" and hope in due time I'll see what this is about cause I'm seeing nothing special thus far.

 

[mattrag]

Hmm. Well I actually have been slacking on reading others logs on this product. But by your log it doesn't look too promising. And if it's the same cost as something like anabeta (40+) I donno how much love it's going to have lol.

Maybe you'll see great results in week 3?

Here's hoping.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

I agree with Matt. I hope things ratchet up soon or this will be a disappoint. I forgot to ask, what area of your Deadlift is weak: from the floor or lockout? If lockout is the issue then rack pulls would be of benefit. If pulling from the floor then of course the posterior chain needs work.

 

[fightbackhxc]

So a bowl of life cereal, a handful of almonds and a piece of toast later.... No more hypoglycemia...

Instead now lethargy has set in and I'm tired as hell n going to take a nap (luckily I don't have anything to do this time of year so lethargy doesn't bother me most days, just sleep it off)....

This stuff def initiates a strong insulinogenic effect.... I have extensive experience with many gda's, this one def has similar effects... Whether it increases insulin secretion or intrinsically mimics insulin (I'm thinking the latter considering Uspl's other products moa) I don't think we will find out till the write up is released on this stuff... One thing is for sure, it does an awesome job of clearing out blood glucose levels...

This would also lead one to know part of the way this is allowing hardening... Not much of ones nutrient intake will go to fat storage... Considering the claim that this products pathways of action are unique and innovative I can't be sure this is all it consists of.... Also there is the strong possibility of it being more then one ingredient with different moa's to create a synergistic effect, it is a "cøcktail" after all...

I am not experiencing that at all. : (

 

[mattrag]

I am not experiencing that at all. : (

hmm wth is this supp anyway.... lol.

 

[Sourdough]

I am not experiencing that at all. : (

I know youd prob have to be crazy to WANT to go hypo.. but do this for me if you dont mind... first time was an accident, second time was on purpose... so maybe you can try and replicate it if you dont mind feeling sick for a second...

at the least it will confirm to you that this is doing some nutrient partitioning and will confirm to me that im not retarded and just need to see a doctor about my insulin levels...


Wake, Take 30 min to an hour to get yourself together, this will ensure your Blood sugar levels are low and circulating fat will be clear of the blood stream...

Take compound 20 @ 2 caps with a full glass of water

At the most drink some aminos if you have some that are carb free(only say this cause thats what ive done both times, maybe it has to do with the interaction with free form aminos, who knows but include this step if you can) No more then 15 min after compound 20...

15 min later (so 20-30min after compound 20 dose) eat something small only containing simple carbohydrates... I used a rice krispie treat my first time and the second was a banana... your more likely to have a banana on hand so just go for that...

wait 5 min after before trying to eat something else and tell me how you feel...


Ill bet its not too hot, lol.

EDIT:

make sure to have whole foods on stand by with complex carbs and healthy fats and some decent protein content... take advantage of this insulin wave and youll feel better fast.... you may have to force feed, and may even throw up depending on how used to going hypo you are... ive dealt with this with mistimed Pslin, slin sane and anabolic pump doses before so i knew how to handle it...

 

[AaronJP1]

I know youd prob have to be crazy to WANT to go hypo.. but do this for me if you dont mind... first time was an accident, second time was on purpose... so maybe you can try and replicate it if you dont mind feeling sick for a second...

at the least it will confirm to you that this is doing some nutrient partitioning and will confirm to me that im not retarded and just need to see a doctor about my insulin levels...

Wake, Take 30 min to an hour to get yourself together, this will ensure your Blood sugar levels are low and circulating fat will be clear of the blood stream...

Take compound 20 @ 2 caps with a full glass of water

At the most drink some aminos if you have some that are carb free(only say this cause thats what ive done both times, maybe it has to do with the interaction with free form aminos, who knows but include this step if you can) No more then 15 min after compound 20...

15 min later (so 20-30min after compound 20 dose) eat something small only containing simple carbohydrates... I used a rice krispie treat my first time and the second was a banana... your more likely to have a banana on hand so just go for that...

wait 5 min after before trying to eat something else and tell me how you feel...

Ill bet its not too hot, lol.

So something is working there.

 

[Sourdough]

I agree with Matt. I hope things ratchet up soon or this will be a disappoint. I forgot to ask, what area of your Deadlift is weak: from the floor or lockout? If lockout is the issue then rack pulls would be of benefit. If pulling from the floor then of course the posterior chain needs work.

mind elaborating on this????

I think im basically weak all around, more then anything I dont want to hurt my lower back....

Years ago I foolishly came back into working out after a 6 month hiatus and decided I could just rack up the squat bar with my previously normal working weight.... well second rep and POP in my lower back, I think it was an issue with a tendon, not my spine itself, but now ive been very weary of putting too much strain on my lower back too fast and why I hadnt done deads regularly as an exercise till this late summer/fall...

I had done A LOT of bent over rowing simultaneous to the silly lower lumber extension thing... you know, looks like an upside down triangle and you do like a backwards sit up on it??? sorry, sounding completely ignorant here for 10 years of exp, but I dont know all the names of everything in the gym... any how worked up to doing sets of 15 of those extensions while simultaneously rowing a 75lb curl bar that nailed a lot of my back at once then switched to deads and have worked my way up to now using only very comfortable weight...

now that im testing my bounds though im finding out its VERY low in comparison to all my other strength numbers and comparatively to other fellows my height and weight...

My grip is definitely not an issue I dont even know that locking out is the issue or pulling it... I think I just need to REALLY concentrate on performing the lift with solid form and work my way up... but the heavier I go it seems the harder it is to hold form.... I thnk I need to set up my phone to record so I know myself that Im keeping my back flat enough and not rounding off... I will do this with tomorrows back workout..

Also I like the double overhand grip, I would prefer to not even touch a mixed grip cause of the offset it will put in muscular growth and possible strain... Ill use my own thumbs to lock the grip before I do mixed...

 

[Sourdough]

I'm all about GDAs, love them and I'm experimenting a lot with them lately (at the moment using both Glycobol AND Recompadrol,
and I'm in GDAs heaven) but I've *never* found one that made me go hypo if dosed without food, but I know both the ones I'm using
did it to other people, just not on me due to the crazy habits my body got used to
I wonder how potent C20 is as GDA and its effects on insulin levels

Have you ever tried other GDAs before? If yes, did they made you go hypo if dosed without food?

I mentioned the prebed because I'm loving 1cp of Recompadrol prebed

I too LOVE GDA's as I love carbs.... and while I was an ecto growing up I am now slowing down metabolism wise when Im not working and to have as much carbs as id REALLY like to have would lead to a lot of fat gain...

I currently have Beta'd Pslin, followed by about 6 bottles and 2 orders of bulk pslin, easily my favorite for what it can do when dosing and timeing around the workout is accomplished correctly (insane pumps for hours after working out and from post workout meals)

Anabolic pump for about 3 different bottles during different times and I really liked this for its ability to be used through the day and how flexible it was all around, got really good results from it across each run but no HUGE signs it was working like Pslin showed.

Slin Sane, which is essentially genomyx pslin with a few added ingredients.. I like this one a lot cause of cost and it allows me to use it like anabolic pump but get effects similar to Pslin... still not quite the same as pslin which leads me to believe the claims from USPL that their extraction process for the ingredients is what sets the 2 apart...

Ive trialed a lot of other products too, too many to list and across too many years for me to remember but I have always come back to the ones mentioned above cause of their undeniable results.


Im really thinking though that the compound 20 effects wouldnt happen if compound 20 was just dosed and then nothing was eaten... I dont know all the mechanisms at play here so its only speculation on my part, but I assume its working on the natural release of insulin itself or has some sort of synergistic effect with the isulin levels in the blood stream that shuttle the nutrients into cells super fast clearing the blood stream of glucose quite quickly...

 

[AutoKal47]

I too LOVE GDA's as I love carbs.... and while I was an ecto growing up I am now slowing down metabolism wise when Im not working and to have as much carbs as id REALLY like to have would lead to a lot of fat gain...

I currently have Beta'd Pslin, followed by about 6 bottles and 2 orders of bulk pslin, easily my favorite for what it can do when dosing and timeing around the workout is accomplished correctly (insane pumps for hours after working out and from post workout meals)

Anabolic pump for about 3 different bottles during different times and I really liked this for its ability to be used through the day and how flexible it was all around, got really good results from it across each run but no HUGE signs it was working like Pslin showed.

Slin Sane, which is essentially genomyx pslin with a few added ingredients.. I like this one a lot cause of cost and it allows me to use it like anabolic pump but get effects similar to Pslin... still not quite the same as pslin which leads me to believe the claims from USPL that their extraction process for the ingredients is what sets the 2 apart...

Ive trialed a lot of other products too, too many to list and across too many years for me to remember but I have always come back to the ones mentioned above cause of their undeniable results.


Im really thinking though that the compound 20 effects wouldnt happen if compound 20 was just dosed and then nothing was eaten... I dont know all the mechanisms at play here so its only speculation on my part, but I assume its working on the natural release of insulin itself or has some sort of synergistic effect with the isulin levels in the blood stream that shuttle the nutrients into cells super fast clearing the blood stream of glucose quite quickly...

I hate carbs and my body hates them too
I use GDA in an odd way but nonetheless i love them
I never tried Slin Sane and I'm curious about it (since I haven't tried pslin either), didn't like AP
My fav are Glycobol and Recompadrol but they never made me go hypo, and lol i tried.. But I'm sure
that that's because I'm pretty much deplete all the time, i take no carbs pretty much at all and my body is
way used to that.

Just out of curiosity, speaking from a purely GDA point of view, do you think C20 is stronger than pslin/slin sane?
I know this product is suppose to have a brand new MOA so I'm really curious to know what ingredients
are causing the supposedly partitioning effect

 

[rochabp]

yay i too hate carbs

 

[Sourdough]

I hate carbs and my body hates them too
I use GDA in an odd way but nonetheless i love them
I never tried Slin Sane and I'm curious about it (since I haven't tried pslin either), didn't like AP
My fav are Glycobol and Recompadrol but they never made me go hypo, and lol i tried.. But I'm sure
that that's because I'm pretty much deplete all the time, i take no carbs pretty much at all and my body is
way used to that.

Just out of curiosity, speaking from a purely GDA point of view, do you think C20 is stronger than pslin/slin sane?
I know this product is suppose to have a brand new MOA so I'm really curious to know what ingredients
are causing the supposedly partitioning effect

Well this is where I think is the issue with you not feeling it...

Im almost certain, not 100%, but almost certain that the MOA on those other GDA's is the entire reason you dont go hypo... If Im correct in my assumptions on C20 as well then I dont think it would cause this effect in you either... since I ASSUME what those others and C20 is doing is more amplifying the insulin response and helping to make it easier on the pancreas...

Whereas Im almost certain again that the way that Pslin operates for the most part is that it directly stimulates Glut4 expression and mimics insulin in and of itself clearing the blood stream of glucose and whatever other fuel source may be present... as I can take Pslin, eat nothing and go hypo badly.... whereas with AP, and C20 it seems that only happens if I dont eat ENOUGH for the exaggerated insulin response that follows any spike in blood sugar levels...

This still may very well be different for you regardless considering the fact, as youve stated, that you are always in a depleted state... Only way to find out is to try I guess??? lol.


(dont take my word for everything stated above, Im just explaining it as I know it and do admit it can be incorrect... best thing to do is research the MOA of each product individually and ask the manufacturer your most pertinent questions, they should have a solid grasp on what it is thats their product does exactly and why)

 

[mattrag]

Well this is where I think is the issue with you not feeling it...

Im almost certain, not 100%, but almost certain that the MOA on those other GDA's is the entire reason you dont go hypo... If Im correct in my assumptions on C20 as well then I dont think it would cause this effect in you either... since I ASSUME what those others and C20 is doing is more amplifying the insulin response and helping to make it easier on the pancreas...

Whereas Im almost certain again that the way that Pslin operates for the most part is that it directly stimulates Glut4 expression and mimics insulin in and of itself clearing the blood stream of glucose and whatever other fuel source may be present... as I can take Pslin, eat nothing and go hypo badly.... whereas with AP, and C20 it seems that only happens if I dont eat ENOUGH for the exaggerated insulin response that follows any spike in blood sugar levels...

This still may very well be different for you regardless considering the fact, as youve stated, that you are always in a depleted state... Only way to find out is to try I guess??? lol.


(dont take my word for everything stated above, Im just explaining it as I know it and do admit it can be incorrect... best thing to do is research the MOA of each product individually and ask the manufacturer your most pertinent questions, they should have a solid grasp on what it is thats their product does exactly and why)

Very good post on how the MOA gives us different side effects. I know not all GDAs are created equal but the above explanation should be on the bottle lol. That way we can either stack them, or know which to take for the different occasions

Thanks for sharing!

 

[AutoKal47]

Well this is where I think is the issue with you not feeling it...

Im almost certain, not 100%, but almost certain that the MOA on those other GDA's is the entire reason you dont go hypo... If Im correct in my assumptions on C20 as well then I dont think it would cause this effect in you either... since I ASSUME what those others and C20 is doing is more amplifying the insulin response and helping to make it easier on the pancreas...

Whereas Im almost certain again that the way that Pslin operates for the most part is that it directly stimulates Glut4 expression and mimics insulin in and of itself clearing the blood stream of glucose and whatever other fuel source may be present... as I can take Pslin, eat nothing and go hypo badly.... whereas with AP, and C20 it seems that only happens if I dont eat ENOUGH for the exaggerated insulin response that follows any spike in blood sugar levels...

This still may very well be different for you regardless considering the fact, as youve stated, that you are always in a depleted state... Only way to find out is to try I guess??? lol.


(dont take my word for everything stated above, Im just explaining it as I know it and do admit it can be incorrect... best thing to do is research the MOA of each product individually and ask the manufacturer your most pertinent questions, they should have a solid grasp on what it is thats their product does exactly and why)

Very interesting indeed.
I'll give Sline Sane a shot (as in pslin ain't available anymore), it has good reviews
I'm happy with the two i use now but, we're always trying new stuff aren't we?

 

[Sourdough]

Thats why Im doin this here beta

 

[Sourdough]

Day 8 (pissed)

First thing... I hope everyone had a happy and safe Halloween tonight!!!

Now on to why Im pissed...

My gym closed at 6 today and didnt bother to give any forewarning that they were going to do so.... I was just there saturday night and no mention was made, no note on the front door, nothing....

This may seem like a trivial thing to some BUT... I live 15m from town... luckily my gym is just at the edge of town BUT thats still 15m one way and my car only gets 20miles to the gallon tops... so thats gas spent...

not to mention I chowed down close to 80g of carbohydrates in the form of rolled oats, a banana and some milk(had 2 chicken breasts too but thats not an issue)... took my dose of C20, took my preworkout, and made up my intra workout of aminos and LCLT... so thats a lot of supplements wasted as well....

Altogether I estimate my gym cost me close to $10 tonight cause of their lack of courtesy for me, a paying member... AND I shoveled down a bunch of cals that were ready to be utilized for a workout, now just likely to sit in my belly and make me fat...


WELL.... this morning I had awoke and decided I was going to do some fasted low intensity cardio and went for a 2 mile/30min walk with a home stretch run and a couple dozen up n down on my stairs...

SOOO I said, fetch, Ill just make this an all out cardio day and once I got home I took off my flat vans and threw on the running shoes and headed out...

Had a good 40 min med intensity run/walk... bout 5 50yd dashes another 5 200yd steady paced jogs and the rest walking up n down the foot hills i live right beneath... all in all I was happy with what my apprx expenditure must have been and actually surprised at how well my breath held out as I dont do much cardio other then during the summer, where Im running/jogging/walking all the time (I knck door2door sales and the faster I am the more people I talk to and the more prospective sales I have, it pays off, thats why I only work 5 mnths outta the year)... glad to see I havnt lost that the last 2 months of just working out in the gym 4 days a week...

SOOOO...

weight... unknown... no home scale...

Compound20 Notes:

NOTHING... lol... really... uneventful today, didnt get to put it to the test in the gym.... maaaybe it helped with running and cardio tonight, theres no way for me to tell cause I dont do it regularly enough right now... libido is still kickin... legs are still sore from sat (thats right AND i did cardio twice today, my legs are gonna hate me tomorrow) so there hasnt been any aid in recovery.... no pumps through the day and I specifically dosed in a manner as to NOT go hypo today sooo none of that...

Just waiting for something special to talk about...

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Sucks about the gym man, had that happen before too and it is the most frustrating thing ever. You should tell them how you feel next time you're there.
So aside from the possible GDA effects what do you think this stuff is?

 

[mattrag]

man I hate getting all ready to workout and being disappointing like that.
No one even told ya eh? Man at my old gym all the front desk workers knew me and if the hours were changing they'd always let me know. Cause they knew Id tweak out and be at the gym like everyday...

 

[Sourdough]

I feel these kind of things should be planned and notifications placed a good week in advance... not the day of... not even trying to take it to the personal level that im at with the OWNER... this should be done for ALL patrons of the gym... just common courtesy when you have posted hours and a stck of flyers in 3 different places with the regular schedule and classes daycare, etc... that if there is going to be a change, you let folks know..

when I paid for this year of membership I wasnt advised of any blackout dates or anything... Its paid for... so at least let me know when im not getting what i paid for, let alone what other expenses go into getting to the gym and all the preparations I go through...

Meh... im over it...

Gonna kill chest tomorrow n holler at the owner for a better heads up next time...

 

[Sourdough]

So aside from the possible GDA effects what do you think this stuff is?

well I REALLY couldnt say... cause I dont have a clue....

Either way im pretty perturbed with the other logs I have to compare mine to... the point was made by Jacob and stratigicmove that others are allowed dosing the entire USPL line in their beta test cause thats how it goes down in the real world anyways... to which I say... SO WHAT???

ya its nice its cool with the people producing this but COME ON... how are we to know ANYTHING in a widespread manner unless we have these all going solo??? how are we to pick out the fact there might be many non responders? maybe doses should be bumped considerably for final versions but we wont know that cause the few guys getting good results solo are mirrored by the same fellas taking Yok3d, Jacked, PINK, PRIME, AP and Powerfull... WELL NO DUH THEY ARE HAVING A GOOD RUN! But no way in hell are any one of those fan boys able to truly discern what all is going on other then what that stack already provides or where C20 is contributing... Also no way to account for what possible synergies exist with the other products that hey... If a customer wants to just buy C20 and purchase something else from another company, say erase (im using this now but I usually dose an AI year round to keep est in check) then they arent going to see jack squat for results... at least thats MY experience thus far...

I personally have LOVED everything to date that I have run from USPL, which would honestly be ALL Their products ever released (which includes tons of IC one time runs like forslean, refresh beta's, super sap bulks, discontinued Symmetry X so on and so forth...) with the exception of Pink Magic and Yok3d... I am one to sing their praises all day long... but im also a straight shooter and this beta is just a mess...

Im really hoping that I start seeing something in this next week or 2.... only a week and a day in so far... I cant knock it yet... but shoot these other guys are throwing up a bunch of bs in the first week thinking its all C20 when its apparently not...

 

[gymrat500]

Subbed, sorry I'm a week late!!

 

[mattrag]

Would be good if they gave you some dosing protocols/diet. Like with the new ursobolic acid stuff, many suggest taking it in with fats to enhance bioavailability.

 

[Sourdough]

well on the USPL forum and on the label I have my guidelines...

It was initially take with meals. breakfast and lunch.... on workout days, taken with preworkout meal 2-3 hours before workout....


Its since changed (over the weekend, had tried to do it tday and had the obvious interference) to take with morning meal.... then eat preworkout meal early enough to have compound 20 dosed on an empty stomach 30-60min pre workout... so I ate 2.5 hours pre, dosed 30 min pre ....


.... then found my gym closed....


Reset and try again tomorrow.... hopefully this new preworkout dose timing will illicit the desired effects ive heard of... we will see..

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

It's good to see some honesty. I hate reading all the b.s. WOW I'M REALLY DEFINITELY FEELING THIS STUFF, TOOK MY FIRST DOSE TODAY AND OMG I HAVE A GOOD FEELING posts lol. From what I've read from your log so far I would say that this is something I would definitely want to try as something similar to Slin Sane to compare the effects. I've taken anabolic pump and didn't really do much for me, and you being someone that's tried it all, seeing you report going hypo feeling tells me it will yield similar results.

But anyways I hope something impressive happens here on the home stretch with this stuff. And you say you havent weighed yourself...you never know, could be changing ur body comp without knowing it.

 

[Sourdough]

It's good to see some honesty. I hate reading all the b.s. WOW I'M REALLY DEFINITELY FEELING THIS STUFF, TOOK MY FIRST DOSE TODAY AND OMG I HAVE A GOOD FEELING posts lol. From what I've read from your log so far I would say that this is something I would definitely want to try as something similar to Slin Sane to compare the effects. I've taken anabolic pump and didn't really do much for me, and you being someone that's tried it all, seeing you report going hypo feeling tells me it will yield similar results.

But anyways I hope something impressive happens here on the home stretch with this stuff. And you say you havent weighed yourself...you never know, could be changing ur body comp without knowing it.

its possible...

Im going through all the USPL logs right now of the solo guys... one trend ive seen so far is the fact they feel they are looking leaner then they step on a scale and they get a good ol' WTH Im heavier....

So we will see where Im sitting tomorrow... I dont expect a change... Im guessing 194... but we will see.

 

[Sourdough]

Day 9

Well.... dare I say I think Im seeing some hardening effects????


As I awoke this afternoon.... I get up still half asleep, peein.... and stretch n rub my stomach.... WTH....

Why are my lower abs so hard???

the area where I hold my most padding still besides a lil on my lower back was fairly thinner and hard.... nothing like a soreness or stiff, dont feel worn or depleted from all the running and my legs arent sore one bit.... so I went for another "morning" fasted walk...


So.... this MAY be the starting signs of something??? Im still going to have to play this out further with all the fluctuations in weight and appearance ive seen thus far to see if its a continuous trend before I go and say its Compound 20... just needed to bring up this slightly hopeful observation.

 

[mattrag]

Well.... dare I say I think Im seeing some hardening effects????


As I awoke this afternoon.... I get up still half asleep, peein.... and stretch n rub my stomach.... WTH....

Why are my lower abs so hard???

the area where I hold my most padding still besides a lil on my lower back was fairly thinner and hard.... nothing like a soreness or stiff, dont feel worn or depleted from all the running and my legs arent sore one bit.... so I went for another "morning" fasted walk...


So.... this MAY be the starting signs of something??? Im still going to have to play this out further with all the fluctuations in weight and appearance ive seen thus far to see if its a continuous trend before I go and say its Compound 20... just needed to bring up this slightly hopeful observation.

ooh! Perhaps C20 is starting to show its magic!? Day 9ish eh? hmm. Interesting.

see what the gym brings today. Perhaps you were undereating and over training? So the extra food and rest helped? bah so much to think about lol.

 

[Sourdough]

Eh, I really dont think its either of those... My diet is set fairly well to suit my daily expenditure, I just had to redistribute it to suit not going hypo and hopefully improve my workouts.... My routine, while set for progression, is by no means one that would over work me with plenty of rest time between similar muscle groups (push and pull days alternate with both push days on opposite ends of the week)

I just think its more of a kick in time... if its even kicking in... tonights workout should be a good indicator, will be the first time I do the same workout twice on C20 so progression will be able to be noted by weights used and scale weight for a week later... I didnt honestly expect POW results from this anyways, even Anabolic steroids typically take at least a week to exert any beneficial effects...

The other guys seeing stuff day one and week one... well, weve already talked about that

 

[rochabp]

reminds me of anabolic pump

 

[Sourdough]

reminds me of anabolic pump

This very comment was made over at USPL forum... this was Jacobs reply...

Totally different products....

C-20, I think is special. Not that AP isn't but C-20 is breaking some rules.

 

[mattrag]

reminds me of anabolic pump

man I miss anabolic pump... though I took it while ON hdrol... I remember feeling like crap but man did I grow!

Well it looks like there might some hope for C20 yet!

 

[Sourdough]

I thnk I will have to hold off on agreeing with this for now till I run it full term... Id love to know the MOA already so I could know how to best utilize it... but alas its a Beta, better off just letting it do its thing and prove itself...

 

[mattrag]

This very comment was made over at USPL forum... this was Jacobs reply...

wow, I wonder what rules those would be... Im all about the goods delivering results... even if some boundaries have to be stepped over... specially if they are set by the FDA....

 

[rochabp]

hmm i guess ill just have to stay tuned

 

[Sourdough]

wow, I wonder what rules those would be... Im all about the goods delivering results... even if some boundaries have to be stepped over... specially if they are set by the FDA....

Meh this is USPL here... not too likely they would be breaking any federal guidelines to bring out a new product... too much at stake for them now that theyve made it into mainstream GNC's etc in a bigger way....

The other thing that interested me was THIS comment...

There are a couple Pure ingredients that are SUPER novel. We are the first to EVER synthesize these exciting compounds.

The IC will be a great deal but limited in scope. If i was on the IC, I would order quickly before it's gone.

USPL is know for its "novel" extraction method, or at least its claim to one (a claim which I truly believe), BUT thats just it, its always been an extraction of a natural compound or saponin or analogue etc.... never have they really "synthesized" anything that I know of...

With this being the case.... well... it could be just about anything...

Although when I popped open a cap and looked inside it did look quite similar to plant material extracts that make of many other products and bulk powders Ive used... So who knows...

 

[mattrag]

hahaha, I see. Good job in popping open the tabs. I always want to but forget haha. Good observation. Staying tuned for more~ Enjoy your workout !

 

[AaronJP1]

I'm not even looking Forward to log mine lol...
May opt to send back. Got flu like symptoms now anyhow

 

[rochabp]

its okay ill take over

 

[AaronJP1]

its okay ill take over

 

[rochabp]

just send it my way

 

[Sourdough]

really??? ....thats kinda lame... but good for rochabp

 

[rochabp]

really??? ....thats kinda lame... but good for rochabp

if usplabs would let me im down. you think you can find out for me?

 

[Sourdough]

if usplabs would let me im down. you think you can find out for me?

yup, no prob

 

[AaronJP1]

I'll let ya know. Probably just talking. I think I'm run it. They gave me some extra time because I'm finishing up a log, so
I had an extra 2 weeks.
If for what ever reason I really happen to not run, I will def let USP labs and u know for sure and as long as they would be cool I would be 2.

Like I said more than likely I'll end up running it. So in another 2 weeks or so I'll keep ya posted buddy.


Remember guys I just said maybe lol