My Erase / Alpha T2 Cycle

[tjwoody]

Starting this stack later today, doing 1 pill of each and will slowly ramp up over 2-3 days to full doses per bottle. I had blood work drawn today cause I've wanted to know certain #s for a while (like test e2, etc). Me and friend actually running this and this time around we both doing 1 bottle cycles, so 4 weeks or so. I can post his general comments too. Natty was cool offering advice so I'd love to help back...via a log.

Lil about me, 37 YO male looking to cut/lean out. I lift weights 4-5 days per week, cardio 2-3 days right now for approx 20 mins with one of my off weights days being a core 30-45 min cardio day.

Lil History...last oct i was 280 lbs, and as of this AM I sit at 199 lbs and I would estimate 19% BF..so I am sitting on a lot of fat.

Im currently eating around 2350 cals during week, around 2600 on Saturdays and on Sundays I got one cheat in there so est my cals may shoot up to around 3500-4k cals. All in all im at a net loss of cals for week and cardio helps the deficit a bit more.

I may not go into details every single day but will include some workouts, some macros and general thoughts every day or two.

I am considering adding the EC stack to this a week into cycle but not sure yet. Any input on this appreciated.....I sorta wanna do an aggressive 4-5 week mini cut before I start my next cycle of something. goal is to lose 8-10 lbs during this window and I anticipate I got a 1-2 lbs of extra water weight still on me.

LOL, sorry for LONG intro!

Adding in some test results:

Test, serum, 507 - range 280-800
Estradoil 23.1 range 7.6-24.6
IGF-1 203 range 109-284
TSH 1.670 range 0.450-4.500
T4 8.6 range 4.5-12
T3 uptake 34 (then says %) range 24-39
Under lipids only ones that concern me are:
HDL Cholesterol 40 range >39
LDL Cholesterol 110 range 0-99 says im high on this one.

I also got some Comp. Metabolic panel and CBC with differential/Platelet if ne1 would like to know something in here. Everything looks normal under these categories.

Now from a lil bit ago...granted i didnt get some of this before and vice versa:

Test levels:

Total test: 510 ng (range 250-1100) This is highest its been...again, test was done around 9am.
Free %: 1.64% (range 1.50-2.20) *this one was 1.05% I think before.
Free: 83.6 pg(range 35-155)

Some other #s I dont know what they mean.....

TSH 3rd generation (353):
.769 uIU (range .510-6.270) *seems real low in the range.

Cortisol (2014):
7.6 ug (range for Am is 4.3-22.4 ug)

Prolactin
3.0ng

LH:
3.1 mIU

Free T4:
1.1 n (range.9-1.8)

 

[Gonzo14]

I'm in
Whats your diet/workouts look like

 

[Rosie Chee]

Starting this stack later today, doing 1 pill of each and will slowly ramp up over 2-3 days to full doses per bottle...

...

I am considering adding the EC stack to this a week into cycle but not sure yet. Any input on this appreciated.....I sorta wanna do an aggressive 4-5 week mini cut before I start my next cycle of something. goal is to lose 8-10 lbs during this window and I anticipate I got a 1-2 lbs of extra water weight still on me.

Hey, Todd Nice stack you have there :thumbsup:

If you've never used either Alpha-T2 or Erase before, then just stick to using them. Once you've used a bottle of each, then you could add some EC to the stack and continue for another ~4 weeks. You should easily be able to lose 8-10 pounds with only one bottle of each - a LOT of that will go in the first week, honestly, especially the food and water weight (we often have more than we think we do!)

Overall, I think you'll love this stack. I am looking forward to doing it myself in ~4 weeks.

~Rosie~
The Primordial Woman

 

[DAdams91982]

Being 37, you should see some better results than most others here.

The thyroidial effects of aT2 should affect you more than others, as well as the estrogen suppression and test boost from Erase.

This should be a fantastic ride.

 

[AE14]

this looks real good, and really interested to see how it affects you if coupled with EC

Good luck

 

[Delta Force]

Subbed

First off congrats on dropping from 280lbs to 200lbs, that's a great accomplishment!

I think you'll like this stack very much

 

[tjwoody]

Hey, Todd Nice stack you have there :thumbsup:

If you've never used either Alpha-T2 or Erase before, then just stick to using them. Once you've used a bottle of each, then you could add some EC to the stack and continue for another ~4 weeks. You should easily be able to lose 8-10 pounds with only one bottle of each - a LOT of that will go in the first week, honestly, especially the food and water weight (we often have more than we think we do!)

Overall, I think you'll love this stack. I am looking forward to doing it myself in ~4 weeks.

~Rosie~
The Primordial Woman

first, stop calling me todd!

i will take ur advice and not do EC this time around...thx again!

Being 37, you should see some better results than most others here.

The thyroidial effects of aT2 should affect you more than others, as well as the estrogen suppression and test boost from Erase.

This should be a fantastic ride.

I thought this same thing as I was reading around, see logs, mostly peeps younger.



id like to add i got a male blood panel done this morning and will have results back in a few days. i figure if im throwing stuff in my body i should have an idea whats going on in there! lol. i only did test, estradiol, lipids, metabolic panel, igf-1, CBC with diff, thyroid with TSH. was part of this panel on private MD.



To touch on base on diet....oh, to the poster asking about it, I did post the general idea regarding cals in the OP. To add to it, i get (approx) 240-280 protein, 60-80 fats and carb cycle. Cals average about 2350 and keeping them there for now while i monitor (i see on my behind all day!). Currently for carbs; weekends Id say higher, around 300g, 1-2 light days during week @100g carbs, couple moderates, for me is anywhere from 150-180 and high about 250 carbs during week. To make up cals I add in more protein and fats.

all the above really depends how i feel and scale if im losing to fast. i had 108 g carbs yesterday and lost another lb so today im eating more carbs. One thing im playing with is having most my carbs pre meal, pre shake and post shake.

Workouts im on a 4-5 day split. Ive been toying with hitting arms 2x per week, once tris with chest and bis with back then an arms day where i try higher reps, some supersets. arms been responding well i think. When I get into this I will throw up some examples of my workouts. Something like below:

Sunday: off
Monday: chest/some tris
Tuesday: Back/some bis
Wed: core/cardio
Thursday: Delts/traps
Friday: Legs/calves
Sat: is arms day, super sets, etc.

So far the arms doing ok when going back into the chest day.


thx to all those following along!

 

[tjwoody]

any benefit to taking these pre workouts? i normally take some sort of preworkout drink and not sure if i want to be popping them with it. figure I would pop about 630 am and like 2pm on empty stomach. my workouts about 430 pm and my pre shake around 415. thx!

 

[nattydisaster]

Count me in

 

[tjwoody]

Just a quick update....i took 1 erase and 1 alphaT2 empty stomach about 30 mins before my workout today. I would have started this AM but forgot pills at home. Of course i dont think i felt anything just starting and all but almost felt a lil energy rush. Friend commented on it also.

Will do 1 of each in AM and 1 of each later in day then if I feel ok will kick it into full swing Sat.

Diet was
Macros:
Cals: 2470.1
Pro: 268
Carbs: 194.3
Fats: 69

Wanted to eat more today cause of weight loss lil fast. Would love 199lbs tomorrow but would be happy with 200 still.

 

[JudoJosh]

subbed I got this stack me this stack as well. Lets see what it does for ya

 

[tjwoody]

subbed I got this stack me this stack as well. Lets see what it does for ya

thx for joining!



I may do IGF-2 with it...but im really trying to just keep these two solo. lol. I got so many supps.

 

[Rosie Chee]

I may do IGF-2 with it...but im really trying to just keep these two solo. lol. I got so many supps.

IGF-2 with these would be awesome!

 

[Rosie Chee]

first, stop calling me todd!

Sorry - I am thinking of someone else.

any benefit to taking these pre workouts? i normally take some sort of preworkout drink and not sure if i want to be popping them with it. figure I would pop about 630 am and like 2pm on empty stomach. my workouts about 430 pm and my pre shake around 415. thx!

You're talking Alpha-T2 and Erase? Depends when you train - if you were to train first thing, then you're going to be dosing them pre-training. Erase can be taken with or without food, but Alpha-T2 you want to dose ~30 minutes before consuming anything, so if you're going to have a preworkout shake, wait ~30 minutes after dosing both products, and then train 30-40 minutes after the preworkout shake. Otherwise, dosing at 6.30 am and 2pm are fine - I would actually stick to dosing like this.

~Rosie~
The Primordial Woman

 

[tjwoody]

took 1 of each this AM about 30 mins before breakfast. I feel like gives me energy so i didnt take my black cat with it...least not yet.
Friend is saying hes getting energy too and even made a comment that he felt giddy on the sales floor and wanted to wrestle! lol

hitting gym earlier today so will be taking 2nd dose after gym today. been checking out some bodyforge now and then too for predrink. not bad.

i got to say..i sorta feel odd now. cant really describe it...like ummm sorta outta it a bit almost like a bit im a dream. face feels a lil warm too.

ok gotta get rdy to hit legs today.

IGF-2 with these would be awesome!

im so gonna start it soon then, thx!

Sorry - I am thinking of someone else.




You're talking Alpha-T2 and Erase? Depends when you train - if you were to train first thing, then you're going to be dosing them pre-training. Erase can be taken with or without food, but Alpha-T2 you want to dose ~30 minutes before consuming anything, so if you're going to have a preworkout shake, wait ~30 minutes after dosing both products, and then train 30-40 minutes after the preworkout shake. Otherwise, dosing at 6.30 am and 2pm are fine - I would actually stick to dosing like this.

~Rosie~
The Primordial Woman

hehe, no worries on name thing.

yeah taking both so i will follow ur advice cause its always great!

 

[DAdams91982]

took 1 of each this AM about 30 mins before breakfast. I feel like gives me energy so i didnt take my black cat with it...least not yet.
Friend is saying hes getting energy too and even made a comment that he felt giddy on the sales floor and wanted to wrestle! lol

hitting gym earlier today so will be taking 2nd dose after gym today. been checking out some bodyforge now and then too for predrink. not bad.

i got to say..i sorta feel odd now. cant really describe it...like ummm sorta outta it a bit almost like a bit im a dream. face feels a lil warm too.

ok gotta get rdy to hit legs today.



im so gonna start it soon then, thx!



hehe, no worries on name thing.

yeah taking both so i will follow ur advice cause its always great!

The aT2 has some mild stimulants in it, so that is where you get the energy from. Some people get that effect, some do not. It is all dependant upon the level of tolerance one possesses.

EDIT: Oh yeah, get used to the heat.

 

[tjwoody]

Copy and paste of my workout today. Just dosed 1 erase and 1 AT2 and waiting to eat. Was gonna make it a moderate carbs day but gonna get more in me and end them earlier since i worked out earlier.

Legs/calves/cardio


Bike WU 7 mins
Stretch 5-10 mins

Legs:
Smith machine squats: WUx2, 225x14, 275x11, 315x8, 225x12
Leg press: 405x14, 495x12, 585x9, 635x8 495x12
Seated leg curl: 115x16, 125x12, 130x11
Leg ext FST7: 150x12x9x8, 140x12x9, 130x10, 110x12

Calves:
Smith machine calf raises on 25 plates for height: WUx1, 225x20, 245x18, 265x15, 285x12, 225x15
DB calf raises (toes out, toes neutral, toes in) 60x12x12x12, 60sx12x12x12
Seated rotary calf machine: 70x14, 85x12

1 hr 20 mins, 780 cals

Cardio:
15 mins bike, easy mode, 100 cals, 115 HBPM avg.

Easy on cardio today.

Thoughts:
Felt ok, nothing to really say yet about stack.

 

[tjwoody]

Gonna edit in some test results i got. They came back fast!

If anyone that knows about these tests wouldnt mind chiming in I would appreciate it.

 

[tjwoody]

Took 1 erase and 1 alphaT2 around 730 am, then ate like 8am. I then hit up chest and tris...40 mins cardio cause today was my cheat meal with my son! so about 30 mins before eating i had another erase and alphaT2. going to do the 3 and 3 today but sorta spaced before i jump into 2 and 1 (to equal 3)

Not sure if it was from the erase/alphaT2 stack or the sizeon max i took about 2 hours before i did the cardio, but HBPM were def much easier to get up on the stepper today.

Feeling tired from the workout/eats not.

Am down to 197.5 lbs as of this morning, FYI.

Added in I took the 3rd erase and alpha-T2 today. Lil late at 730pm but I wouldnt mind staying up a bit later tonight!

Had to fight my cravings to cheat again today, glad my son didnt want to eat!

Tomorrow may be doing breakfast with him, not sure yet. Should still be able to keep it 3k-3500 cals which is about my maint.

 

[Gonzo14]

Took 1 erase and 1 alphaT2 around 730 am, then ate like 8am. I then hit up chest and tris...40 mins cardio cause today was my cheat meal with my son! so about 30 mins before eating i had another erase and alphaT2. going to do the 3 and 3 today but sorta spaced before i jump into 2 and 1 (to equal 3)

Not sure if it was from the erase/alphaT2 stack or the sizeon max i took about 2 hours before i did the cardio, but HBPM were def much easier to get up on the stepper today.

Feeling tired from the workout/eats not.

Am down to 197.5 lbs as of this morning, FYI.

looking good keep it up!

 

[tjwoody]

Hate bloat from cheat meals!

Did the 1+1 before Bfast then 3 hours later did the other 1+1 of Erase/AlphaT2. If I wasnt such a wuss I would the 2 and 2 together. lol

Going to keep the eats clean today. had plans to go out to Bfast but son and i decided against it. Will be eating higher today prob around 3k-3500 cals then back to 2400ish tomorrow. May get some cardio and core in later...really not sure right now gotta see how day goes.

 

[Rosie Chee]

Gonna edit in some test results i got. They came back fast!

If anyone that knows about these tests wouldnt mind chiming in I would appreciate it.

The best thing to do would be to put them in your Final Review re "Before" and "After" (although it doesn't hurt to know the relevant "Before" blood and hormonal statistics before then - so go ahead and post them if you want).

 

[tjwoody]

i added them to original post, Rosie. Before and afters.

I would like to add a few notes...I think through better diet and nutrition I may have been able to "naturally" raise my test levels. Previous tests done I was 25x, 28x 326. I ate better, made sure I took multis, added more vitamin d, c and e and def more healthy fats. why u guys may see me getting up to 90ish grams sometimes. can i say for sure if or what did it...no i cant but i sure feel better. oh...and maybe more important...i took ZMA more regularly and added melatonin in lil bit ago. just recently added gaba too. not so much saying ZMA raised test levels itself...but perhaps through some better sleep.

I got another blood panel coming up in Dec, this time a PM test.


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got my 3 erase and 3 alphaT2 today. Also hit up the gym for cardio and core! I rarely go on a sunday but was sorta miserable out and i hope it can offset my cheat! hehe. im always so bloated on mondays!

 

[Rosie Chee]

i added them to original post, Rosie. Before and afters.
...

I got another blood panel coming up in Dec, this time a PM test.

Ok. Thanks

Under lipids only ones that concern me are:
HDL Cholesterol 40 range >39
LDL Cholesterol 110 range 0-99 says im high on this one.

Your HDL is within normal limits, but could be higher.

Your LDL definitely needs to be decreased. Nutrition, exercise, and lifestyle habits are factors to target for this.

 

[tjwoody]

I need to look into LDL more cause I dont drink or party, diet is pretty spot on, and I exercise a lot. Thx.

 

[Rosie Chee]

I need to look into LDL more cause I dont drink or party, diet is pretty spot on, and I exercise a lot. Thx.

LDL can be affected by causes other than nutrition and training, including but not limited to:
*Chronic or high stress
* Hereditary factors
* Smoking
If it's indeed the case that your nutrition is clean and good, and you train hard and intense, then chances are it could be any of those things.

 

[JudoJosh]

LDL is usually calculated, not measured so there is a possibilty the results could be wrong. The formula they use is.. "Total - (HDL + [Trigs/5]) = LDL." They do this because LDL are so small in comparison to the other particles. If you drop below 100 trigs this equation will miscalculate you LDL. Triglycerides are the fat made in the liver from the carbs you eat. If you restrict carbs in your diet you will probably have very low triglycerides, which means you are going to have problems if the lab uses the Friedewald equation to calculate your LDL levels. I don;t know what your diet really looks like or if this is a valid explanation that would apply to your situation but either way you can go and ask for a VAP test with LDL particle size as part of the measurement, this will give you a direct measurement of your LDL.

Best of luck bud

 

[tjwoody]

thx for the info u guys/gals. i do got a good amount of stress right now. guess i will keep an eye on it for now.

i felt pretty pumped in the gym today...i am checking out superpump max also.

Erase/AT2 dosage:
Did 1/1 at 545 am - then grab shower and eat.
Next 1/1 about 9am - got stuck eating a lil later here, 10ish.
3rd 1/1 like 230 - ate at 3pm for pre workout meal

*any difference in way im doing it compared to taking the 2/2 first thing in AM then the 1/1 in PM. i am just working on getting the 2 in the AM together soon.


Lil update/example from today:

back/bis/cardio.

Some WUs

Back:
Pullups - wide: WUx2, BWx8x5, -50x8
Chinups: BWx8x6-50x8
Seated pull downs with Vbar: 120x15, 160x7, 120x14
Seated pulley rows: 120x15, 150x7, 120x15, 160x5, 130x12
Db rows: 60x14x12x12

BIs:
Straightbar curls: WUx1, 85x11, 95x9, 105x6, 85x11 (1-2 cheats)
Hammer curls: 40x9, 35x10
Alt DB curl: 45x9
21s: 1 set with 25s

1 hr 10 mins, approx 700 cals.

Felt really pumped today for some reason. Is it the erase/AT2 and/or superpump max. We will see.

Cardio
13 mins stepper, moderate avg HBPM 138, 132 cals.

Forgot to do hypers, but least did a set yesterday.

Macros:
Looking like 2491, will update when I got log in front of me.

Going to keep 2 days off per week from weights but repeat. So this week gonna try:

Sunday: Stretch, Core, cardio day, This is optional off day too.
Monday: Back, bis.
Tuesday: Delts/trap
Wed: stretch, Core, cardio day.
thursday: Legs/calves
Friday: Chest, tris
Sat: (repeats) Back, bis. *if tired will reduce volume.

 

[tjwoody]

Took 1/1 erase/AT2 about 545 am, then 1/1 about 830 am and last 1/1 about 2 pm. Tomorrow gonna try 2/2 in morning...or I may do like 2/1 Lol.

I feel my body is on the edge of good things if I can just buckle down a bit more. Diet is prob 85% dialed in. Monday through Friday I'd say is 100%, Sat and Sunday depends. I plan on 2 cheats on weekends but prob eating a bit to much at times so will continue working on thisw.

Example of todays workout below.

Today was delts/traps/cardio:

Warmups

Delts:
Smith behind neck press: Wux3, 185x9, 205x7, 224x4, 235x2, 185x8
DB press: 55x14, 60x11x10
Tri set; front plate laterals, side Db laterals, front DB laterals: 45x15 SS 20x10 SS 15x15 (alt), 45x12 SS 20x8 SS 15x12 (alt), 45x12, 17.5x8, 10 lb plates x16 (alt)
Facepulls: 80x15, 90x11, 80x12

Traps:
Cable upright rows: 100x12, 110x10
Smith machine shrugs: WUx1, 225x20, 275x12, 295x8, 245x12

1 hr 10 mins... cals burnt....? Think 725

Cardio: 22 mins on stepper, some high intensity avg hbpm 144, 255 cals burnt


Macros:
Cals: 2681.9 - 40.9%
Carbs: 201.5 - 30%
Fats: 86.7% - 29.1%

Thoughts:
Felt good today, PR on behind neck press I think at 235 lbs.

 

[tjwoody]

1st day doing 2/2 Erase and AT2! I may have a slight headache. Gonna try sucking down some water. Will be doing 2/2 in AM and 1/1 in PM....did the PM 1/1 at 2pm as planned.

So far I noticed the water weight from the weekend just poured outta me! I was...ummmm 203.5 Monday morning and this morning already back down to 197.5 lbs. Which is the lightest I have been in gawd....years. haha.

Did some core and easy cardio today.

macros:
Looking like about 2500 cals atm. Will calculate tomorrow.

Thoughts:

I've wanted to try out MMA again for sometime and was a goal of mine when I first started working on losing weight from 280 lbs. I feel pretty good, but I am older now so not sure how much I will be able to get into it. Try to get my son into it too. Hes not very aggressive at all so this may be something he could use!

 

[tjwoody]

Thinking of try EC with this stack on Monday. Could use appetite suppression for like 3ish weeks. Thoughts from anyone? Curious when I should does along with this stack.

 

[Rosie Chee]

Thinking of try EC with this stack on Monday. Could use appetite suppression for like 3ish weeks. Thoughts from anyone? Curious when I should does along with this stack.

Stacking EC with Erase/Alpha-T2 would work pretty well for fat loss. Not sure about appetite suppression - neither E or C in high doses (used together, but not stacked 'traditionally') elicits any appetite suppression in me - but hey, everyone is different, so maybe it might in you.

 

[tjwoody]

Think I am gonna try the EC starting today. I will prob stagger it with Erase and AT2 a bit. It helped me not eat as much last time. (thx rosie!)


Got 2/2 this morning. Feeling ok....def gives me a lil energy kick.


I ate a bit much last night dinner (cals still 2500) so weight at 199 lbs. Just came back from some easy cardio and my body said feed me! Had to fight it off a bit. See if I can lose the water weight for tomorrow. Had a goal of 196.5 lbs for this weekend! Esp with Halloween weekend! argh!


Legs and calves on the agenda today. prob skip cardio, or just 15 mins walking.

 

[Rosie Chee]

Think I am gonna try the EC starting today. I will prob stagger it with Erase and AT2 a bit. It helped me not eat as much last time. (thx rosie!)

No worries, bud Will be watching.

 

[tjwoody]

today so far took 2/2 erase/AT2 about 545 am. At 1 pm i took a black and about 130 pm here I am taking the other 1/1 then eating pre workout meal at 2pm.

today is chest and tris...but going to try some superset or this QBM from ergogenix. not sure yet. I may work on going real heavy on BB presses and superset with DB presses instead.

I checked out a MMA place yesterday....very excited should be awesome for conditioning. They got a couple strength and conditioning classes, judo, bjj, mma and boxing. looks great and a good price! This was a goal of mine last year...wanted to be able to take some sort of MMA. I hope being over 80 lbs lighter I can now do it!

Here is what I did yesterday:

legs/calves

4 mins bike.

Legs:
Free weight leg press: WUx2, 495x15, 585x11, 675x6x6, 585x10
Smith machine squat: WUx1, 185x15, 225x12, 275x10, 315x6
Seated leg curl: 120x16, 130x12, 140x10, 150x9
Leg ext: 150x14, 160x12, 170x10

calves:
Rotary calf machine: Wux1, single leg; 70x16, 85x15, 100x14, double leg toes out, 175x16, toes in, 175x15

1 hr 10 mins, 750 cals burnt

No cardio today.

Macros:
Cals: 2288.3
pro: 226.9 - 39.6%
carbs: 179.8 - 31.44%
fats: 73.5 - 29%

Carbs lil bit higher then what i wanted

 

[tjwoody]

Not a ton to update from past weekend, still dosing 3 per day of each. Halloween weekend did me in diet wise so will be doing damage control this week.

I am going to reduce cals a bit to about 2200 for approx 2 weeks and see where it gets me.

 

[tjwoody]

Got my 3/3 Erase/AT2 in yesterday. Waiting for something to kick in...if anything does or will. Also been taking my IGF-2 in AM and PM...totaling 8 per day.

This past weekend I had a good amount of halloween candy....boooo. lol. Gotta get back down to the lbs I was ate before the big cheat weekend.

Below workout and macros from yesterday. Went lower on cals/carbs to shed some water.

Today was delts, traps, cardio.

Warmups - 5 mins

Delts:
Smith machine, behind neck press: Wux3, 185x9, 205x6, 225x4, 185x7
DB press: 60sx14x11
Front plate laterals SS w/ side DB laterals: 45x16 SS 20x12, 45x15 SS 20x10, 45x15 SS 17.5sx12
Face pulls: 80x16, 90x10, 80x12, 70x12

Traps:
Smith machine shrugs: WUx2, 225x20, 275x10x10, 225x16
DB shrugs: 60sx35x30

1 hr, 680 cals

Cardio:
walking @ lunch, 25 mins, est cals 100
walking treadmill, incline avg 2.6 mpg, incline, 189 cals.

Macros:
Cals: 2362.1
Protein: 267 - 45.2%
Carbs: 120.8 - 20.5%
Fats: 90.1% - 34.3%

Good lower day. Gonna be tough trying to get carbs under 100g.

thoughts:
Delts feeling good. Got some cardio stuff tomorrow at MMA, condition for an hour! Looking forward to it!

 

[eric fragoso]

hey im new to all this supplement stuff and i havnt herd a lot about this at2 so i just have a few questions about starting a stack with oep. i started 3 weeks ago with just oep, first two days taking one in the am then one in the pm. now im taking two in the am and one in the pm. and honestly i must be very insensitive to stims because i dont feel to much of a difference.... so i decided to order the at2/oep stack. it came in mail this morning and i plan on taking it tomorrow so i was just wondering if i should take 1-at2 and one-oep in the am then one more of each in the pm... or should i continue to take 2 oep in the am and one in the pm but just ad one cap of at2 in the am and pm? or since im not stim sensitive should i just be a badass and take 2-at2 and 2-oep in the am followed by one of each in the pm? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

 

[vector18]

Any effects on your Libido?

 

[tjwoody]

hey im new to all this supplement stuff and i havnt herd a lot about this at2 so i just have a few questions about starting a stack with oep. i started 3 weeks ago with just oep, first two days taking one in the am then one in the pm. now im taking two in the am and one in the pm. and honestly i must be very insensitive to stims because i dont feel to much of a difference.... so i decided to order the at2/oep stack. it came in mail this morning and i plan on taking it tomorrow so i was just wondering if i should take 1-at2 and one-oep in the am then one more of each in the pm... or should i continue to take 2 oep in the am and one in the pm but just ad one cap of at2 in the am and pm? or since im not stim sensitive should i just be a badass and take 2-at2 and 2-oep in the am followed by one of each in the pm? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

myself...i like to slowly incorporate stuff into my regiment. I would suggest, seperating ur doses by a couple hours for a day or two and see how u feel. For my erase and AT2, i did this like 3-4 days slowly bring the AM dose of 2 and 2 together so I was taking them at same time...no issues so far. I wouldnt go over the dose on the bottles.

I took OEP too, 1 bottle, mostly I feel it helped me not want to eat.

Any effects on your Libido?

nothing i can tell. not sure if its supp to. i had a great "session" this morning and felt strong....sorry if to much info. I also still want it all the time.

 

[tjwoody]

got a total of 3/3 erase/AT2 today and to add still getting my IGF-2 in. Example of todays workout below. I still dont feel much working but i know its early still.



tonight I took the MMA class, strength and conditioning. WOW,...intense! Havent felt like this since the days with the trainer. Lots of core, and lower body stuff. I will note what I can below.

Cardio:
Some stretching.
2 mins rounds of jump rope with 30 secs rest in between, 5 rounds.
Walking lunges, twice around area, about 3 mins., did this again a few mins later.
Wall squats, I was holding a 10 lb medicine ball, held for 45 secs each, 10 secs rest, done 3x.
Duck walks front and back, then done backwards, prob took a few mins for all.
as many situps as u could for 30 secs, into as many pushups for 30 secs then 20 secs rest, repeat x3
Partner up and lock legs, both do a situp and when u come up pass off medicine ball. Done for like 1 mins with 30 sec rest, 2-3 times.

Took approx 50 mins, 750 cals burnt. Will check heart rate monitor tomorrow.

Macros:
Cals: 2253.7
Protein: 226.9 - 40.3%
Carbs: 166.2 - 29.5%
Fats: 75.7 - 30.2%

Lil low on what I like for protein. 2200 cals is the lowest I wanna go atm. Ideally I like cutting around 2500 if i get some cardio in so will eat more today.

 

[eric fragoso]

well i live 4hours away from my girlfriend because im playing junior hockey away from home so when i do see my girlfriend its on you know? so my libido is fine i would say haha.

tjwoody: are you suggesting i take the oep and the at2 at separate times for the first couple days? say oep at 430am then take my at2 at like 5am? or are you suggesting i take oep and at2 at the same time but space out my am and pm doses?

 

[tjwoody]

well i live 4hours away from my girlfriend because im playing junior hockey away from home so when i do see my girlfriend its on you know? so my libido is fine i would say haha.

tjwoody: are you suggesting i take the oep and the at2 at separate times for the first couple days? say oep at 430am then take my at2 at like 5am? or are you suggesting i take oep and at2 at the same time but space out my am and pm doses?

oep is also a 3 per day right? me, i would try a 430 am AT2, 630 OEP or vice versa....then ur PM.

 

[tjwoody]

11/3/10 - Try to see if I can structure this a bit better. Will update throughout day or at night.

Doses:
545 am:
2/2 erase/at2
4 IGF-2
2pm:
1/1 erase/AT2
bedtime (930ish) 4 igf-2

Macros:
Cals: 2510.7
Pro: 242.5 - 28.6%
Carbs: 183.8 - 29.3%
Fats: 89.5 - 32.1%

*Good #s. Would have liked 200g carbs.
Workout:
Today was legs/calves/cardio.

Bike WU, 3 mins

Legs:
Free weight leg press: WUx3, 495x15, 585x12, 635x10, 685x6, 595x10 (legs in more this time)
Smith Squats: Wux1, 185x16, 225x14, 275x10, 315x7
Db squats: 50sx15, 55sx12x10 *touched butt to a bench.
Seated leg curl: 115x16, 130x12, 135x10, 140x9
Leg Ext: 150x12, 160x11.

Calves:
rotary calf machine: Wux1, 160x18 (neutral), 175x16 (toes out), 175x14 (toes in), then quick 10 sec rest and 175x10 (neutral)

1 hr 15 mins....lil short on time today.

Cardio:
26 mins walking at lunch est cals 100
5 min walking CD on treadmill after weights.

Macros:
TBD...sitting at 1900 right now and still need dinner...thinking CC with whey and PB...yum!

Thoughts:
Started real sore with legs from yesterdays conditioning class. Think I will need to figure out a static split where I do same body part on each day of week when I figure out MMA class schedule. Right now conditioning is on Tuesday nights so its a day off from weights and boxing is Thursday nights but tomorrow gonna do chest and tris before class and see how it goes.

Misc:
I got some slin-slan I am gonna add to check it out. Tired slin slan today 15 mins before preworkout meal. dont know if i felt anything yet.

Thoughts:
Last nights workout...wow im feeling tired! May need to add a black cat or 2 today! yes, did have BC..hehe.

Tomorrow I got chest/tris with an hour break in between then a boxing class for an hour...should be interesting to say the least!

 

[Rosie Chee]

11/3/10 - Try to see if I can structure this a bit better. Will update throughout day or at night.

Doses:
545 am:
2/2 erase/at2
4 IGF-2

So you train at night?

I recommend changing your IGF-2 dosing/timing re your training times:

Train first thing
Dose 1 - 4 caps first thing
Dose 2 - 4 caps pre-bed

Train any other time but first thing
Dose 1 - 3 caps first thing
Dose 2 - 3 caps ~40 min pre-training
Dose 3 - 2 caps pre-bed

 

[eric fragoso]

i have a job interview coming up and i might have to take a drug test... would the at2 or oep have something in it that would make me fail a drug test?

 

[tjwoody]

i have a job interview coming up and i might have to take a drug test... would the at2 or oep have something in it that would make me fail a drug test?

im not sure.

 

[tjwoody]

So you train at night?

I recommend changing your IGF-2 dosing/timing re your training times:

Train first thing
Dose 1 - 4 caps first thing
Dose 2 - 4 caps pre-bed

Train any other time but first thing
Dose 1 - 3 caps first thing
Dose 2 - 3 caps ~40 min pre-training
Dose 3 - 2 caps pre-bed

Yes at night. Weight lifting is usually about 445 pm for hr-hr 20 mins depending. i take a pre workout too about 30-40 mins before workouts and an intra during...any issue stacking igf-2 with it. My preworkout meal is usually 2 hours before the weights.

I also started taking MMA type classes so will try the dose #2 about 40 mins pre it too. the conditioning class last night was rough and I will need all the recovery I can get!

Thx rosie!!!

 

[DAdams91982]

i have a job interview coming up and i might have to take a drug test... would the at2 or oep have something in it that would make me fail a drug test?

No, nothing in either will cause a positive test. Only WADA or NCAA test for any of the stimulants in either.

 

[Rosie Chee]

Yes at night. Weight lifting is usually about 445 pm for hr-hr 20 mins depending. i take a pre workout too about 30-40 mins before workouts and an intra during...any issue stacking igf-2 with it. My preworkout meal is usually 2 hours before the weights.

I also started taking MMA type classes so will try the dose #2 about 40 mins pre it too. the conditioning class last night was rough and I will need all the recovery I can get!

Thx rosie!!!

You forget that IGF-2 contains Banaba Extract in it, so is no issues really having ~90 minutes after a meal, and no issues stacking it with preworkout or intrawokout products.

If you train close to when you go to bed, then you could just stick with the first thing and pre-bed dosing.

If you do MMA at a different time to your resistance training, like in the morning or afternoon, then you could dose before that if you use three doses that day.